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Are most people non racist in public but actually racist in private.

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  • #272
    0066ad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭0066ad


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....what has a rant by well known looper Michael Savage got to do with anything?

    Just to show it's not only white who commit racist crimes


  • #273
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    0066ad wrote: »
    Just to show it's not only white who commit racist crimes


    I don't recall anyone saying that was the case. I'd also be careful of taking Savages word on it that the murders he mentioned were in fact racially motivated.


  • #274
    0066ad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭0066ad


    Nodin wrote: »
    I don't recall anyone saying that was the case. I'd also be careful of taking Savages word on it that the murders he mentioned were in fact racially motivated.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd2IbuN5ym0


  • #275
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    0066ad wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd2IbuN5ym0


    And the point of this video, via the ever nasty Michele Malkin?


  • #276
    Noel Kinsella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 407 ✭✭Noel Kinsella


    I am UN following this thread as most of the clique here have their minds completely CLOSED in their mind racism only goes one way "white on black" they gang up on people who dont CELEBRATE all the africans that have entered the country whether legal or illegal. The clique only answer questions that SUIT them to answer and report and back stab any chance they get (remind you of anyone ?) not nice people at all. I now believe racism exists in this country but its not what people may have expected, it is now my opinion that BLACK on WHITE racism is huge here, any open minded person who reads this and other threads will see that. I defy any open minded person to read through posts by Nodin/ Wiley Coyote or the others and find them saying one (1) nice thing about Irish people. I have had very unpleasant experiences with Niger`ian people this has probably skewed my opinion a bit but thats life, I wont be going to nigeria any time soon. See you all in another thread real soon.


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  • #277
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    I am UN following this thread as most of the clique here have their minds completely CLOSED in their mind racism only goes one way "white on black" they gang up on people who dont CELEBRATE all the africans that have entered the country whether legal or illegal. The clique only answer questions that SUIT them to answer and report and back stab any chance they get (remind you of anyone ?) not nice people at all. I now believe racism exists in this country but its not what people may have expected, it is now my opinion that BLACK on WHITE racism is huge here, any open minded person who reads this and other threads will see that. I defy any open minded person to read through posts by Nodin/ Wiley Coyote or the others and find them saying one (1) nice thing about Irish people. I have had very unpleasant experiences with Niger`ian people this has probably skewed my opinion a bit but thats life, I wont be going to nigeria any time soon. See you all in another thread real soon.
    Ya'll take care , ya hear:)


  • #278
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    I am UN following this thread as most of the clique here have their minds completely CLOSED in their mind racism only goes one way "white on black" they gang up on people who dont CELEBRATE all the africans that have entered the country whether legal or illegal. The clique only answer questions that SUIT them to answer and report and back stab any chance they get (remind you of anyone ?) not nice people at all. I now believe racism exists in this country but its not what people may have expected, it is now my opinion that BLACK on WHITE racism is huge here, any open minded person who reads this and other threads will see that. I defy any open minded person to read through posts by Nodin/ Wiley Coyote or the others and find them saying one (1) nice thing about Irish people. I have had very unpleasant experiences with Niger`ian people this has probably skewed my opinion a bit but thats life, I wont be going to nigeria any time soon. See you all in another thread real soon.

    I'm very open minded. I see absolutely no evidence of what I've just highlighted in bold. I'm not saying that racism against white people doesn't exist. I'm saying that I don't see any evidence that it is huge. I also wonder how did you jump to that conclusion? was it based on one herald article?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #279
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    I am UN following (....) See you all in another thread real soon.

    So you've no evidence that attack was racist then. And don't want to explain your other remark. Grand then so.


  • #280
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Thomas20 wrote: »
    It's fine to be racist towards white people but never POCs.
    Also i can't believe all the communists here, sickening to read people say it's good to drag those better off down to lower levels. If you are smarter, work harder than someone else and make good life choices you should never have "positive discrimination" targeted towards you to artificially raise those more stupid, with a worse work ethic and who make bad life choices.
    I am a racist, i believe European or Western 'civilisation'/people is far superior to all others.

    Who's saying it's fine to be racist towards white people? Should the thread title be changed to "most people are privately racist against white people"?

    Point out what's communist against hilighting racism and being against it?

    How is western civilisation far superior to others? On what evidence do you base it in relation to, say, Japan? South Korea? Or anywhere else?


  • #281
    Chinasea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    Noel Kinsella wrote: »
    I am UN following this thread as most of the clique here have their minds completely CLOSED in their mind racism only goes one way "white on black" they gang up on people who dont CELEBRATE all the africans that have entered the country whether legal or illegal. T

    http://www.experienceproject.com/question-answer/Why-Do-People-Ask-Questions-In-A-Public-Forum-If-They-Dont-Want-To-Hear-The-Answers/590351

    Noel, if you are peeking, read the attached link....


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  • #282
    Thomas20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Thomas20


    old hippy wrote: »
    Who's saying it's fine to be racist towards white people? Should the thread title be changed to "most people are privately racist against white people"?

    Point out what's communist against hilighting racism and being against it?

    How is western civilisation far superior to others? On what evidence do you base it in relation to, say, Japan? South Korea? Or anywhere else?
    Some people here think it's not so bad or less harmful when racism is directed towards white people.
    Positive discrimination(artificially leveling the playing field) is a terrible idea. We are not all equal.Somebody said the reason blacks in America commit proportionally higher amount of crime/do worse in academia is due to them being from a lower social class so positive discrimination for them is good(whites from lower socio economic backgrounds don't get this)!Since we are all the same they need help to get up to our level. Wanting to do this/destroying social classes is commie talk.
    As far as Europe is concerned i don't think it needs an explanation.


  • #283
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Thomas20 wrote: »
    Some people here think it's not so bad or less harmful when racism is directed towards white people.
    Positive discrimination(artificially leveling the playing field) is a terrible idea. We are not all equal.Somebody said the reason blacks in America commit proportionally higher amount of crime/do worse in academia is due to them being from a lower social class so positive discrimination for them is good(whites from lower socio economic backgrounds don't get this)!Since we are all the same they need help to get up to our level. Wanting to do this/destroying social classes is commie talk.
    As far as Europe is concerned i don't think it needs an explanation.

    Did you even answer any of the questions?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #284
    Thomas20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Thomas20


    mango salsa wrote: »
    Did you even answer any of the questions?
    "Who's saying it's fine to be racist towards white people?"
    Some people here think it's not so bad or less harmful when racism is directed towards white people.

    "Point out what's communist against hilighting racism and being against it?"
    Positive discrimination when done enough resulting in destroying social classes is communist to me.Dragging some people down so others come up.

    "How is western civilisation far superior to others? On what evidence do you base it in relation to, say, Japan? South Korea? Or anywhere else?"
    You either believe it or you don't.


  • #285
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Thomas20 wrote: »
    "Who's saying it's fine to be racist towards white people?"
    Some people here think it's not so bad or less harmful when racism is directed towards white people.

    "Point out what's communist against hilighting racism and being against it?"
    Positive discrimination when done enough resulting in destroying social classes is communist to me.Dragging some people down so others come up.

    "How is western civilisation far superior to others? On what evidence do you base it in relation to, say, Japan? South Korea? Or anywhere else?"
    You either believe it or you don't.

    And the award for the post most lacking in education, political understanding, and arrogance goes to....


  • #286
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Thomas20 wrote: »
    "Who's saying it's fine to be racist towards white people?"
    Some people here think it's not so bad or less harmful when racism is directed towards white people.

    "Point out what's communist against hilighting racism and being against it?"
    Positive discrimination when done enough resulting in destroying social classes is communist to me.Dragging some people down so others come up.

    "How is western civilisation far superior to others? On what evidence do you base it in relation to, say, Japan? South Korea? Or anywhere else?"
    You either believe it or you don't.

    What people here think racism against white people isn't too bad?

    What social classes have been destroyed?

    You haven't said how western civilisation is "superior"? Was it perhaps, when western civilisation reached American shores and showed the natives how it was done? Or perhaps when western civilisation arrived in Africa to display it's god given superiority? Or dropping nuclear weapons on a nation? Wiping out millions in Viet Nam?

    Or is now, as western civilisation sends drones to Pakistan to wipe out families? Troops to Mali?

    Or god forbid, the zenith of our cultural evolution, Mrs Brown's Boys?


  • #287
    Thomas20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Thomas20


    WileyCoyote wrote: »
    And the award for the post most lacking in education, political understanding, and arrogance goes to....
    Positive discrimination in any way is deplorable.
    It's a slippery slope when you give people something they neither deserve or worked for. That sense of entitlement is a terrible thing.
    Classic communism destroys the upper class by killing them, this version does it through taxes and unfair "progressive" policies.
    The greatest sign of inferiority is from those who demand to be equal.
    People think it is racist to prefer Irish and Europeans to Africans and Asians. Well i am racist because i am inherently more attracted to one group as opposed to another.
    There is a reason why muslims congregate in certain boroughs in London or why rich people live in different areas to poor people.Countless examples of this.
    It is natural to want to live with people who are most like you.
    old hippy wrote: »
    What people here think racism against white people isn't too bad?

    What social classes have been destroyed?

    You haven't said how western civilisation is "superior"? Was it perhaps, when western civilisation reached American shores and showed the natives how it was done? Or perhaps when western civilisation arrived in Africa to display it's god given superiority? Or dropping nuclear weapons on a nation? Wiping out millions in Viet Nam?

    Or is now, as western civilisation sends drones to Pakistan to wipe out families? Troops to Mali?

    Or god forbid, the zenith of our cultural evolution, Mrs Brown's Boys?
    I really can't be bothered to go back and point out the posts.
    And yes that is exactly how western society is superior.
    You should thank your lucky stars everyday your ancestors whether alive or dead were smarter and worked harder than those of other races to put you in this "privileged" position.
    And while you mention Mali, you must have no problem wth Islamist expansion, says everything i need to know about you.


  • #288
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Thomas20 wrote: »
    ..........
    You should thank your lucky stars everyday your ancestors whether alive or dead were smarter and worked harder than those of other races to put you in this "privileged" position.
    ..........

    Simplistic ignorant nonsense.


  • #289
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    There seems to be a trend of white wing, sorry, right wing borderline bigots feeling oppressed of late.

    How is it they

    a) pour scorn over the concept of racism in Ireland
    b) claim it's communist/pc/do gooder to hilight racism
    c) and then claim, as white people, they are being oppressed?

    Racism exists in every country and with every grouping of people. It should be addressed but ... when people here who are known for shouting down others who stand up against racism & then state they themselves are victims of positive discrimination and pee themselve when a person of colour looks at them the wrong way... I take it with a pinch of salt.

    I blame the likes of Nick Griffin and his admirers in Ireland. A minority, yes... a minority who feels they are being downtrodden. But it's quite clear what the agenda is, here. Which seems to be; destroy the arguments against pervasive racism with a nebulous argument that white people are the true victims. I've no doubt that some white folks are discriminated against - and that's wrong. But it is not historic in these islands.

    Listen up, whingeing right wit reactionaries - we're wise to you. It didn't work for Nick and the BNP and it won't work for you, either. It's not a pc conspiracy against white people - it's fear of equality and having to co-exist with other folk not of your ilk that you rail against. Get used to it; the world (or at least, here) is coming together and despite all your tedious protestations, that is the future.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056853497http://


  • #290
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Thomas20 wrote: »
    Positive discrimination in any way is deplorable.
    It's a slippery slope when you give people something they neither deserve or worked for. That sense of entitlement is a terrible thing.
    Classic communism destroys the upper class by killing them, this version does it through taxes and unfair "progressive" policies.
    The greatest sign of inferiority is from those who demand to be equal.
    People think it is racist to prefer Irish and Europeans to Africans and Asians. Well i am racist because i am inherently more attracted to one group as opposed to another.
    There is a reason why muslims congregate in certain boroughs in London or why rich people live in different areas to poor people.Countless examples of this.
    It is natural to want to live with people who are most like you.


    I really can't be bothered to go back and point out the posts.
    And yes that is exactly how western society is superior.
    You should thank your lucky stars everyday your ancestors whether alive or dead were smarter and worked harder than those of other races to put you in this "privileged" position.
    And while you mention Mali, you must have no problem wth Islamist expansion, says everything i need to know about you.

    So basically yoiu are an out and out racist, who has no time for ideas like "equality of oppertunity", so far as you are concerned if a child is born into poverty in Haiti , then it is his own fault if he doen't go to Harvard and become CEO of an MNC!
    You are either a really bad troll or a piss poor comedian!


  • #291
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Thomas20 wrote: »
    Positive discrimination in any way is deplorable.

    So hiring more Catholics to the PSNI because of societal and systemic flaws in the Northern Ireland police service is, to quote, deplorable.

    Grand, cleared that up then.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #292
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Thomas20 wrote: »
    It is natural to want to live with people who are most like you.


    I really can't be bothered to go back and point out the posts.
    And yes that is exactly how western society is superior.
    You should thank your lucky stars everyday your ancestors whether alive or dead were smarter and worked harder than those of other races to put you in this "privileged" position.
    And while you mention Mali, you must have no problem wth Islamist expansion, says everything i need to know about you.

    Natural for who? Bigots? Extremists? Isolationists?

    You have not yet told us how you and your culture is "superior". There is no such thing as a "superior" culture, except in people's minds.

    You have no idea who my ancestors were but here's a pointer, we all came from the same place.

    Yes, I mentioned Mali, a place of great culture, great people and of course, troubled by extremism, in parts. Does that say everything about me as well?

    I'm not going to Godwin this thread but when certain voices start banging on about supremacy, it's time to dismiss them with the contempt they richly deserve.

    You're busted, a chara. :D


  • #293
    Project Werewolf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭Project Werewolf


    old hippy wrote: »
    There seems to be a trend of white wing, sorry, right wing borderline bigots feeling oppressed of late.

    How is it they

    a) pour scorn over the concept of racism in Ireland
    b) claim it's communist/pc/do gooder to hilight racism
    c) and then claim, as white people, they are being oppressed?

    Racism exists in every country and with every grouping of people. It should be addressed but ... when people here who are known for shouting down others who stand up against racism & then state they themselves are victims of positive discrimination and pee themselve when a person of colour looks at them the wrong way... I take it with a pinch of salt.

    I blame the likes of Nick Griffin and his admirers in Ireland. A minority, yes... a minority who feels they are being downtrodden. But it's quite clear what the agenda is, here. Which seems to be; destroy the arguments against pervasive racism with a nebulous argument that white people are the true victims. I've no doubt that some white folks are discriminated against - and that's wrong. But it is not historic in these islands.

    Listen up, whingeing right wit reactionaries - we're wise to you. It didn't work for Nick and the BNP and it won't work for you, either. It's not a pc conspiracy against white people - it's fear of equality and having to co-exist with other folk not of your ilk that you rail against. Get used to it; the world (or at least, here) is coming together and despite all your tedious protestations, that is the future.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056853497http://

    Right wing reactionaries? Nick Griffin? BNP? Are you serious? There never was a far right support base in Ireland. Any attempt at it, like the Immigration Control Platform, was laughed out of it.

    I suppose every good crusade needs a bogeyman though, doesn't it a chara? Your own spin on reds under the bed.

    That was a lovely little rant to show us how enlightened and special you are. I understand its difficult for you to accept that Irish people are just as enlightened as you and there isn't racism of epidemic proportions blighting our streets. But then if you did accept that, you might have to concede you're not that special after all.

    The OP in the thread you quoted has every right to question racism when he sees it. Just because it might be directed against white people doesn't make it a right wing rant or does it mean white people cant take offence.

    You stand up to all racism and bigotry or you stand up to none.

    Ireland is changing and it is going to change slowly. The society you are looking for is going to come about as more people of different nationalities integrate and become part of our communities. It won't be seamless but it won't be a race war either. That change is not going to happen from you talking down to Irish people just because you spent a few years abroad and may have married a foreign national. You're not the first to do either.

    I like how you use the plural we when pontificating, you speak for you and you alone a chara. Don't try to portray yourself as representative of any wider group.

    I hope none of that came across as preachy or condescending.;)


  • #294
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Project Werewolf wrote: »
    Right wing reactionaries? Nick Griffin? BNP? Are you serious? There never was a far right support base in Ireland. Any attempt at it, like the Immigration Control Platform, was laughed out of it.

    I suppose every good crusade needs a bogeyman though, doesn't it a chara? Your own spin on reds under the bed.

    That was a lovely little rant to show us how enlightened and special you are. I understand its difficult for you to accept that Irish people are just as enlightened as you and there isn't racism of epidemic proportions blighting our streets. But then if you did accept that, you might have to concede you're not that special after all.

    The OP in the thread you quoted has every right to question racism when he sees it. Just because it might be directed against white people doesn't make it a right wing rant or does it mean white people cant take offence.

    You stand up to all racism and bigotry or you stand up to none.

    Ireland is changing and it is going to change slowly. The society you are looking for is going to come about as more people of different nationalities integrate and become part of our communities. It won't be seamless but it won't be a race war either. That change is not going to happen from you talking down to Irish people just because you spent a few years abroad and may have married a foreign national. You're not the first to do either.

    I like how you use the plural we when pontificating, you speak for you and you alone a chara. Don't try to portray yourself as representative of any wider group.

    I hope none of that came across as preachy or condescending.;)

    The far right has been active in Ireland since (at the very least) the 80s. Hot Press at the time ran an interesting article on how these no hopers would slip their fliers into records sleeves in various independent music outlets in Dublin city centre. There was a protest last year (admittedly only a handful) in Dublin, in support of the woman in London who was charged after her racist rant against fellow train travellers went up on social media. Aine Ni Chonnail and her ilk deserve to be laughed at but not dismissed. Pretending we don't have a problem isn't the answer and it's in all our interests to stamp out the problem in it's infancy. If you have a strong stomach, you should check out Ireland's Stormfront site; in case you think we don't have a problem.

    Racism exists amongst all peoples, of all different colours and nationalities. I have never said otherwise. Your attempts to claim otherwise are baseless.

    We're all special, a chara. Keep that in mind when trying to obfuscate the problem of racism.


  • #295
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    How predictable of you, Quirk Douglas. I won't even dignify your jabberings with a reply.


  • #296
    cosbloodymick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭cosbloodymick


    A foreign person of colour that gets any position in this country ahead of an Irish person solely on the basis that that person is of a different ethnicity is an example of racial discrimination and is in no way "positive".


  • #297
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    cosbloodymick wrote: »
    A foreign person of colour that gets any position in this country ahead of an Irish person solely on the basis that that person is of a different ethnicity is an example of racial discrimination and is in no way "positive".

    Do you have evidence of this actually happening?


  • #298
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    cosbloodymick wrote: »
    A foreign person of colour that gets any position in this country ahead of an Irish person solely on the basis that that person is of a different ethnicity is an example of racial discrimination and is in no way "positive".


    Can you give any examples of where this happens or has happened?


  • #299
    cosbloodymick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭cosbloodymick


    Nodin wrote: »
    Can you give any examples of where this happens or has happened?

    No, I am not aware of it ever having happenned in Ireland. And I would not like to see it happen. But some on this thread are in favour of "positive discrimination", and while I accept that those who advocate same do so with noble intentions, I don't believe it is equitable and it is definitely racist.


  • #300
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    cosbloodymick wrote: »
    No, I am not aware of it ever having
    happenned in Ireland. .

    So why did you bring it up?
    cosbloodymick wrote: »
    And I would not like to see it happen. But some on this thread are in favour of "positive discrimination", and while I accept that those who advocate same do so with noble intentions, I don't believe it is equitable and it is definitely racist.

    So you're against the policies instituted in the North to end institutional discrimination against nationalists/catholics?


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  • #301
    cosbloodymick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭cosbloodymick


    Nodin wrote: »
    So why did you bring it up?

    I didn't bring it up, its been discussed throughout the thread.


    So you're against the policies instituted in the North to end institutional discrimination against nationalists/catholics?


    I am against discrimination period.


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