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The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

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  • #2462
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    You'll find more about God, by connecting to nature, than oppose to reading a book created by man talking about God.
    In a sense, you're correct about nature ... which reflects some of the glory of it's Creator ... who created it by His spoken word.
    ... but the Bible tells us about the wisdom of God ... and is essential reading if we are to have a happy and fulfilled life ... in this life - and the next.
    Aquarius34 wrote: »

    Lol, Had to laugh at that. I don't need any being to save me. What logic is there for me to come to this world and then asked to be saved?

    That's like training and wanting to become a rock climber. Then when you start to climb you scream for someone to save you. No on Earth is here to save you.

    You are here to save yourself. That is your responsibility no one else.
    In a sense you can save yourself ... by deciding to believe on Jesus Christ to Save you.


  • #2463
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doc Farrell wrote: »
    The following quote is for Benny cake.

    'The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.'

    Fire up your hammer Benny! :)
    I don't see the link.
    What has God's righteous anger at the Unsaved got to do with Benny Cake hammering somebody?

    ... and, as a Christian, do you have anything to say to Aquarius, who is very seriously in need of Christian love and support and prayers at this very moment?

    ... and what is this 'hammer' you speak of?


  • #2464
    Aquarius34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    J C wrote: »
    In a sense, you're correct about nature ... which reflects some of the glory of it's Creator ... who created it by His spoken word.
    ... but the Bible tells us about the wisdom of God ... and is essential reading if we are to have a happy and fulfilled life ... in this life - and the next.

    In a sense you can save yourself ... by deciding to believe on Jesus Christ to Save you.

    No there is need for glory, it's just honoring creating simply as a wonder and as a beauty that it is.

    No I don't have to accept Jesus as my saviour. That would be insulting my capability of been able to save myself. I am not a dumb reptile, I am a spiritual being in a human body. I have intelligence, free will, values and morals.


  • #2465
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    No there is need for glory, it's just honoring creating simply as a wonder and as a beauty that it is.
    How exactly do you think that all of the wonders and beauty of Nature were created?
    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    No I don't have to accept Jesus as my saviour. That would be insulting my capability of been able to save myself. I am not a dumb reptile, I am a spiritual being in a human body. I have intelligence, free will, values and morals.
    You certainly do have intelligence, free will, values and morals ... and you don't have to accept Jesus as your saviour.
    ... but if you want to Save yourself ... you need to repent and believe on Jesus Christ ... but this is entirely up to you ... and I pray that you will ... and every angel in Heaven is also hoping that you will do so.


  • #2466
    Aquarius34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    J C wrote: »

    You certainly do have intelligence, free will, values and morals ... and you don't have to accept Jesus as your saviour.
    ... but if you want to Save yourself ... you need to repent and believe on Jesus Christ ... but this is entirely up to you ... and I pray that you will ... and every angel in Heaven is also hoping that you will do so.

    Anyone with enough intelligence knows how to save him/herself without the help of Jesus. I am sorry but we are not all stupid here. Heaven and hell is a state of mind.

    You create your own heaven (happiness) and create your own hell (suffering)

    Prey all you want. I am not submitting :)


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  • #2467
    tommy2bad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭tommy2bad


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    Anyone with enough intelligence knows how to save him/herself without the help of Jesus. I am sorry but we are not all stupid here. Heaven and hell is a state of mind.

    You create your own heaven (happiness) and create your own hell (suffering)

    Prey all you want. I am not submitting :)

    I see what you did their :D


  • #2468
    Aquarius34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    tommy2bad wrote: »
    I see what you did their :D

    Spelling errors :D oh but you know what I mean anyway.


  • #2469
    Attabear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Attabear


    I love where this thread is going.

    More please.


  • #2470
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Attabear wrote: »
    I love where this thread is going.

    More please.
    Where is it going?

    ... a worldwide flood is a fact ... all we are now arguing about is how many thousands of years ago it happened.
    I say somewhere between four and six thousand years ago ... and Aquarius is saying that it was about twelve thousand years ago.


  • #2471
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    J C wrote: »
    Where is it going?

    ... a worldwide flood is a fact ... all we are now arguing about is how many thousands of years ago it happened.
    I say somewhere between four and six thousand years ago ... and Aquarius is saying that it was about twelve thousand years ago.

    Well given how scientifically supported Biblical Creationism is surely it would be pretty easy for you to put forward the science demonstrating to Aquarius why he is wrong.


    Lol :rolleyes:


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  • #2472
    Aquarius34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    I'm not a scientist and I am not religious, But how can you put the two together? They are on opposite ends.

    Lol@flood happened around 4 to 6,000 years ago. What an amazing factimate.


  • #2473
    Attabear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Attabear


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    I'm not a scientist and I am not religious, But how can you put the two together? They are on opposite ends.

    Ok, if that doesn't end this thread, nothing will.


  • #2474
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Attabear wrote: »
    Ok, if that doesn't end this thread, nothing will.
    So I guess we have a wrap ... and Creation is now an accepted fact.


  • #2475
    Aquarius34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    J C wrote: »
    So I guess we have a wrap ... and Creation is now an accepted fact.

    Creation was always an accepted fact, but biblical creation, is not a fact.


  • #2476
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,209 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Best thread on boards.


  • #2477
    The Concrete Doctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭The Concrete Doctor


    J C wrote: »
    Where is it going?

    ... a worldwide flood is a fact ... all we are now arguing about is how many thousands of years ago it happened.
    I say somewhere between four and six thousand years ago ... and Aquarius is saying that it was about twelve thousand years ago.

    It is a fact JC because you say so, and because the bible says so. The funny thing is, material evidence does not support this, but I know that you never let evidence stand in the way of your facts.

    Its great to see that Aquarious34 is throwing in some of his own facts about how it all started. I think I saw him on stage once singing with his 3 sisters in his home town of Dundalk.


  • #2478
    Aquarius34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    The Concrete Doctor wrote: »
    It is a fact JC because you say so, and because the bible says so. The funny thing is, material evidence does not support this, but I know that you never let evidence stand in the way of your facts.

    Its great to see that Aquarious34 is throwing in some of his own facts about how it all started. I think I saw him on stage once singing with his 3 sisters in his home town of Dundalk.

    Ah the name certainly suits you.
    Ah Jim Corr, does every Irish person with a close mind think that anyone thinks outside the box is Jim Corr?

    Pole shifts happen, periodically and that is proven if you look at the records of when they happen. The last shift was nearly 13,000 years ago. The Equator line and the axis was much different than it was today. 10,500 b.c, Egypt was almost tropical and yet now it's a desert. If you want to try get smart with me on this subject at least look like you know what you're talking about here. It stand for your to "witty" demeanor.


  • #2479
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    wrote:
    Originally Posted by J C
    ... a worldwide flood is a fact ...

    The Concrete Doctor
    It is a fact JC because you say so, and because the bible says so.
    An excellent combination IMO!!:)
    The Concrete Doctor wrote: »
    The funny thing is, material evidence does not support this, but I know that you never let evidence stand in the way of your facts.
    ... Let me see ...
    ... over 80% of the Earths surface is covered by deep fossiliferous sedimentary rocks, produced by the Flood itself - with the balance covered by metamorphic and igneous rocks produced by the tectonic processes that triggered and accompanied the Flood.
    ... evidence of rapid/instant deposition of sedimentary rocks includes perfectly fossilised fine tissue structures and polystrate fossils.
    ... evidence of recent deposition of sedimentary rocks includes perfectly preserved Dinosaur tissue structures and all sedimentary rocks produced by cementation processes that set in hours.

    In plain man's language, there are billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth ... and if that's not evidence of a worldwide flood, nothing is!!!

    The Concrete Doctor wrote: »
    Its great to see that Aquarious34 is throwing in some of his own facts about how it all started. I think I saw him on stage once singing with his 3 sisters in his home town of Dundalk.
    Good for you!!!:)


  • #2480
    The Concrete Doctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭The Concrete Doctor


    I suppose, Mr. Aquarious, it really depends how far outside the box one thinks.


  • #2481
    The Concrete Doctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭The Concrete Doctor


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    Ah the name certainly suits you.
    Ah Jim Corr, does every Irish person with a close mind think that anyone thinks outside the box is Jim Corr?

    Pole shifts happen, periodically and that is proven if you look at the records of when they happen. The last shift was nearly 13,000 years ago. The Equator line and the axis was much different than it was today. 10,500 b.c, Egypt was almost tropical and yet now it's a desert. If you want to try get smart with me on this subject at least look like you know what you're talking about here. It stand for your to "witty" demeanor.

    Really, Is this hypothasis or actual fact? By how many degrees did it shift? Where can I study this? Are you saying that Egypt, in biblical times, was at a different line of latitude? This is very far removed from the topic of this thread, although maybe not, if the subjects of the bible lived in jungles, rather than hot sandy desert.ypothesis


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  • #2482
    Aquarius34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    The Concrete Doctor wrote: »
    Really, Is this hypothasis or actual fact? By how many degrees did it shift? Where can I study this? Are you saying that Egypt, in biblical times, was at a different line of latitude? This is very far removed from the topic of this thread, although maybe not, if the subjects of the bible lived in jungles, rather than hot sandy desert.ypothesis

    You can PM me if you want to discuss it further. If you are unfamiliar with certain subjects like this it's unwise to react by dismissing it.


  • #2483
    The Concrete Doctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭The Concrete Doctor


    J C wrote: »
    An excellent combination IMO!!:)

    ... Let me see ...
    ... over 80% of the Earths surface is covered by deep fossiliferous sedimentary rocks, produced by the Flood itself - with the balance covered by metamorphic and igneous rocks produced by the tectonic processes that triggered and accompanied the Flood.
    ... evidence of rapid/instant deposition of sedimentary rocks includes perfectly fossilised fine tissue structures and polystrate fossils.
    ... evidence of recent deposition of sedimentary rocks includes perfectly preserved Dinosaur tissue structures and all sedimentary rocks produced by cementation processes that set in hours.

    In plain man's language, there are billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth ... and if that's not evidence of a worldwide flood, nothing is!!!

    See, there you go again JC. Dinosaur fossils are almost universally accepted to be millions of years old. I say almost, because some modern day dinosaurs don't accept the validity of the dating processes. This is despite the fact that every reputable university, scientist and physisist in the world does, in fact accept these dating methods. So you throw in a few of your own barmy opinions and present them as absolute fact as if the whole scientific world agrees with you. Thats it, in plain man's language!


  • #2484
    doctoremma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭doctoremma


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    Pole shifts happen, periodically and that is proven if you look at the records of when they happen. The last shift was nearly 13,000 years ago
    I can't find any evidence for significant pole shifting in such a short time scale. Can you reference a paper than supports your claim?


  • #2485
    The Concrete Doctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭The Concrete Doctor


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    You can PM me if you want to discuss it further. If you are unfamiliar with certain subjects like this it's unwise to react by dismissing it.

    It would be equally unwise just to accept it because you say its true.


  • #2486
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    The Concrete Doctor wrote: »
    I suppose, Mr. Aquarious, it really depends how far outside the box one thinks.
    Spontaneous Evolution is so far outside the box, that the box has ceased to exist!!!:)


  • #2487
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    The Concrete Doctor wrote: »
    See, there you go again JC. Dinosaur fossils are almost universally accepted to be millions of years old.
    ... so too were the fossils of the Coelacanth fish ... until it turned up 'alive and kicking' off the African coast!!!

    ... and the blood was literally oozing out of this Dinosaur tissue in this find
    http://creation.com/sensational-dinosaur-blood-report

    ... but, of course, the need for 'millions of years' to support the whole Spontaneous Evolution myth is so great, that some people will believe in it despite the evidence.


  • #2488
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    I'm not a scientist and I am not religious, But how can you put the two together? They are on opposite ends.
    It all depends on the religious belief ... if its an unfounded belief that defies logic and known Laws of Science, like Spontaneous Evolution ... you are correct that this religious belief is scientifically unsupported.

    However, if it is the well-founded religious belief in Direct Divine Creation, then science and logic can indeed be applied to forensically evaluate the physical evidence for this belief.:)


  • #2489
    Aquarius34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    J C wrote: »
    It all depends on the religious belief ... if its an unfounded belief that defies logic and known Laws of Science, like Spontaneous Evolution ... you are correct that this religious belief is scientifically unsupported.

    However, if it is the well-founded religious belief in Direct Divine Creation, then science and logic can indeed be applied to forensically evaluate the physical evidence for this belief.:)

    Lol, sorry what was that?
    Something's just do not make sense and not one word of that makes any coherent sense....


  • #2490
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    Lol, sorry what was that?
    Something's just do not make sense and not one word of that makes any coherent sense....
    Denial is a terrible thing.:)


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  • #2491
    Aquarius34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    The Concrete Doctor wrote: »
    It would be equally unwise just to accept it because you say its true.

    It would be wise for you to educate yourself on subjects and futhermore not be so dismissive on thing's you are unfamiliar with...

    It's not my truth, or anyone's "personal take" on it. It's part of Earth's natural history. These things happen all the time. If you look at our geological history in rocks going back to 240 million years ago (beginning of the dinosaurs) you will see that cataclysmic events happen on Earth periodically. Big ones happen at set times, and small ones happen at set times like clock work. That is because our planet is like a spaceship racing through time and space constantly. We go in cycles just as our solar system does, just as our galaxy and our Universe itself does. We go through storm days, seasons, dry days, dark nights, long days etc.

    Interestingly enough, to do one cycle around the galaxy takes 240 million years approximately. That was exactly at the beginning of the dinosaurs. So when major events happen over and over you can correlate to the sequences of events like clock work. Humans don't realise this because these time frames surpass their understanding of time itself and how time works. We live such short life spans on this planet to even to take note of such things.

    26,000 years approx is one galactic day 13,000 - 12,000 years approx is the midpoint of 26,000 years.

    A flood causes 200,000 people to die in south East Asia in 2004, it happened. These things happen and major floods happened before and they will happen again and again. The flood that happened nearly 13,000 years ago (10.500 bc) is no secret or hidden knowledge. It's only unknown to our sheeple society. It is suppressed by our society because society doesn't want our species to evolve our thinking past the mainstream "in the box" perception. They want us to remain in their "box". They want us to believe what is to only be accepted as "real" and only believe as to be real.

    Just because you don't want to accept how existence has been shaped doesn't mean existence doesn't shape because you fail to see it.


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