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Garda bitten by HIV man.....Assault causing harm....Attempted murder more like

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  • #62
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    imom922 wrote: »
    A Firefighter i know was bitten on the arm while on Ambulance duty by a scumbag who was Hep/Hiv positive. The lad couldnt kiss his wife or kids untill he got the all clear, it went to court the scumbag was fined and warned about future behaviour. Well wrong.

    The chances of a man getting HIV by having unprotected sex with someone is about 1 in 2000. It's something like 1 in 1000 for a woman.

    Chances of getting HIV from a bite is extremely remote.

    Chances of getting HIV from a kiss is so minimal I could set up a kissing both and operate daily for a year and never get it. Both people would have to have bleeding gums and there would have to transmission of fluid. So, if two people with chronic gum disease French each other, there's a very, very, very small chance of transmission.

    Either the guy or his doctor are both idiots. Or as Odyessus says, the guy has some kind of psychological issues.

    But stories like this only help to increase the myths surrounding HIV.

    HIV is so incredibly hard to get, even with a risky lifestyle (that doesn't mean precautions shouldn't be taken when engaging in risky behaviour).

    And in the first world, it's even harder to transmit. part of the medication that people who are HIV take prevents transmission. So there's a minimal chance even with unprotected sex that it could be transmitted. It's gotten to the stage where some doctors are advising their patients that they can start having unprotected sex with their partners in an effort to conceive since the disease is so unlikely to be transmitted.

    And even if someone happens to contract the disease, it's far from a death sentence. If you were diagnosed tomorrow, you would still lead a long healthy life.

    I'm not saying there aren't serious consequences that can affect your lifestyle. Just that it's not the horrific plague we al think it is. people in their 30's grew up with so much aids education (and it was more harmful then) that it's a boogeyman for us.


  • #63
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Assault causing serious harm would sound about right.

    That can carry a life sentence and would act as a greater deterrent to such carry on than a fine or a few months in jail would.

    The guy intentionally carried a syringe into a crowded pub and stuck into a random person.

    That's messed up.


  • #64
    saiint
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭saiint


    Grayson wrote: »
    The chances of a man getting HIV by having unprotected sex with someone is about 1 in 2000. It's something like 1 in 1000 for a woman.

    Chances of getting HIV from a bite is extremely remote.

    Chances of getting HIV from a kiss is so minimal I could set up a kissing both and operate daily for a year and never get it. Both people would have to have bleeding gums and there would have to transmission of fluid. So, if two people with chronic gum disease French each other, there's a very, very, very small chance of transmission.

    Either the guy or his doctor are both idiots. Or as Odyessus says, the guy has some kind of psychological issues.

    But stories like this only help to increase the myths surrounding HIV.

    HIV is so incredibly hard to get, even with a risky lifestyle (that doesn't mean precautions shouldn't be taken when engaging in risky behaviour).

    And in the first world, it's even harder to transmit. part of the medication that people who are HIV take prevents transmission. So there's a minimal chance even with unprotected sex that it could be transmitted. It's gotten to the stage where some doctors are advising their patients that they can start having unprotected sex with their partners in an effort to conceive since the disease is so unlikely to be transmitted.

    And even if someone happens to contract the disease, it's far from a death sentence. If you were diagnosed tomorrow, you would still lead a long healthy life.

    I'm not saying there aren't serious consequences that can affect your lifestyle. Just that it's not the horrific plague we al think it is. people in their 30's grew up with so much aids education (and it was more harmful then) that it's a boogeyman for us.

    thats true
    and eventually we will become immune to the HIV disease
    not our generation not the next generation but in a few hundred generations from now, the body will eventually reject the disease , like evolution basicly , we will evolve to fight the disease , but of course by that time we will all be long dead an their will be another disease were fighting against


  • #65
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Any attempt on the life of any emergency personnel should carry the death penalty.

    Cut the liberal bull**** and clean the scum off the streets. What good will this 'person' that bit the guard every do for society? We'll pay for him through taxes until his miserable existence ceases. Why not speed that up a bit.


  • #66
    bleg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,847 ✭✭✭bleg


    Someone I know got held up in a pharmacy and got pricked with a needle. A lot lot worse. Again 6 months wait on antiretrovirals to see whether she had increased titres, thankfully she didn't. Quite a lot of armed robberies in pharmacies these days.


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  • #67
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Any attempt on the life of any emergency personnel should carry the death penalty.

    Cut the liberal bull**** and clean the scum off the streets. What good will this 'person' that bit the guard every do for society? We'll pay for him through taxes until his miserable existence ceases. Why not speed that up a bit.

    I hate to tell you this, but there are loads of countries with the death penalty. They don't have reduced incidences of crime. The death penalty is not a deterrent. And you might say that it reduces repeat offending, but even if it did, it doesn't reduce the overall amount of crime. Plus when you add in the cost of housing someone on death row along with the legal costs of all the appeals, it actually costs the state more than life imprisonment.

    The only thing the death penalty does is make people like you feel better. It doesn't actually make the world any better.

    Now, if you have a constructive suggestion, something that would actually help people and prevent crime, I'm all for hearing it.

    For what it matters, I'm all in favour of attacks against first responders being classified differently. First responders should know we have their backs. But saying we should kill anyone who attacks them at all, that's just stupid.


  • #68
    keith16
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    libnation wrote: »
    Calm down people. First of all that's a bit unfair of the article to say the Garda was embarrassed to go to the clinic. That's some awful attitude of the article's author to have towards a place that aims to help people!?

    Second of all Dublin is not the dodgiest place in the world

    Third of all the broken man in this story (the criminal) is already a liability. He hardly sounds like a stand up guy so he's not likely going to be thinking 'oh when I assault this Garda I better refrain from biting!'

    Fourth of all HIV is not a death sentence. Granted it would be costly to the Garda and make his life very difficult (made even more difficult by people's attitudes in this thread).

    Yes, let's calm down shall we. But lets not belittle the incident either.

    Bit of a leap for you to say he was embarrassed to go the clinic, read it again.

    Also, if he did contract HIV, what kind of reaction do you think you get from him if you said, "ah don't worry garda, it's not an immediate death sentence per se, your life will just be very difficult from now on, chin up eh! And don't you worry, we'll make that assault charge stick!"

    Do you honestly think that because the cop wasn't killed that assault is the appropriate charge here? That scumbag knew full well what he was doing.


  • #69
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    keith16 wrote: »
    Yes, let's calm down shall we. But lets not belittle the incident either.

    Bit of a leap for you to say he was embarrassed to go the clinic, read it again.

    Also, if he did contract HIV, what kind of reaction do you think you get from him if you said, "ah don't worry garda, it's not an immediate death sentence per se, your life will just be very difficult from now on, chin up eh! And don't you worry, we'll make that assault charge stick!"

    Do you honestly think that because the cop wasn't killed that assault is the appropriate charge here? That scumbag knew full well what he was doing.

    HIV is not a death sentence, so it shouldn't be treated as attempted murder.

    It should be classed as an assault. And if skin was broken, then it is the highest left of assault as far as I know. It's very hard to transmit HIV by biting. If you google it, you'll see that the Centre for Disease control have only ever recorded some very rare isolated cases.

    The garda would have been in more danger if the guy attacked him with a knife, a hurley or even a kitchen ladle.

    The biggest issue is the stress that the garda went through for 6 months wondering. That is covered under the victim impact statement. But the physical lethality/harm level of the attack was minimal.

    That means that if it's classified as a serious assault, because of the victim impact statement, the judge can sentence for longer.


  • #70
    mickydoomsux
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    Grayson wrote: »

    I hate to tell you this, but there are loads of countries with the death penalty. They don't have reduced incidences of crime. The death penalty is not a deterrent. And you might say that it reduces repeat offending, but even if it did, it doesn't reduce the overall amount of crime. Plus when you add in the cost of housing someone on death row along with the legal costs of all the appeals, it actually costs the state more than life imprisonment.

    The only thing the death penalty does is make people like you feel better. It doesn't actually make the world any better.

    Now, if you have a constructive suggestion, something that would actually help people and prevent crime, I'm all for hearing it.

    For what it matters, I'm all in favour of attacks against first responders being classified differently. First responders should know we have their backs. But saying we should kill anyone who attacks them at all, that's just stupid.

    Ah shure, lets stick with the cup of tea and a chat with a social worker model so.

    Heavens forbid we do anything meaningful with these double figure convictions animals until they kill or seriously injure someone. Then we can tut tut and give them a 7 year sentence with the final 2 years suspended because they 'had a hard upbringing'.

    'Justice' in this country is circling the bowl. We need to have these piles of walking feces utterly terrified to end up back in prison because it is a truly horrendous fate. There's your deterrent.

    Failing that, end their completely worthless lives.


  • #71
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,108 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Just for the people saying that the chances of infection are miniscule, and giving the figures: there is still a chance. Yes, it's a slim chance, but it's still a chance.

    I had to go through the 6 months waiting for a blood to blood injury, and it had a detrimental effect on my then relationship. I was told i could still kiss, and make love if i wanted, as the chances were so low. But it's always in the back of your head. What if I am that one in a x-million chance?

    It's a horrible, horrible experience to go through, not helped by the fact that if the attackers medical history is unknown (especially if a known drug/needle user), there is no law to force a test on their side. It's 6 months of uncertainty, 6 months of fear, and 6 months of torture.

    There is specific law relating to needle or pour attacks, Section 6 of the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act 1997. Someone who does it can face up to 10 years in jail. Someone who intentionally does it can face up to life.

    But, there is no specific law for bite attacks, and as such it falls under Section 3 of the same Act, that is Assault Causing Harm. But, there should be specific law for it, or to put it into the same Section 6 as Needle/Pour assaults.


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  • #72
    Lone Stone
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    I do believe Hiv with current medication is non transferable.
    edit: i dont think that was the case back in 2008, still a scummy c**t.


  • #73
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    Ah shure, lets stick with the cup of tea and a chat with a social worker model so.

    Heavens forbid we do anything meaningful with these double figure convictions animals until they kill or seriously injure someone. Then we can tut tut and give them a 7 year sentence with the final 2 years suspended because they 'had a hard upbringing'.

    'Justice' in this country is circling the bowl. We need to have these piles of walking feces utterly terrified to end up back in prison because it is a truly horrendous fate. There's your deterrent.

    Failing that, end their completely worthless lives.

    If tough sentencing, bad prison conditions, and the death penalty were deterrents to crime, the U.S. would be a trouble-free paradise.


  • #74
    Rubber_Soul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Rubber_Soul


    mickydoomsux wrote: »

    Ah shure, lets stick with the cup of tea and a chat with a social worker model so.

    Heavens forbid we do anything meaningful with these double figure convictions animals until they kill or seriously injure someone. Then we can tut tut and give them a 7 year sentence with the final 2 years suspended because they 'had a hard upbringing'.

    'Justice' in this country is circling the bowl. We need to have these piles of walking feces utterly terrified to end up back in prison because it is a truly horrendous fate. There's your deterrent.

    Failing that, end their completely worthless lives.


    Why is there only ever two options, death or hugs, with people like you?


  • #75
    hardCopy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    HMV staff must be getting really desperate with their jobs hanging in the balance.


  • #76
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    Just for the people saying that the chances of infection are miniscule, and giving the figures: there is still a chance. Yes, it's a slim chance, but it's still a chance.

    I agree, but I wonder are you more likely to die from a random punch to the face than a HIV bite.


  • #77
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    I agree, but I wonder are you more likely to die from a random punch to the face than a HIV bite.

    well, according to the CDC there have only even been a couple of reported cases so I'd believe a regular punch would be worse.


  • #78
    Drakares
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    Should be definitely charged with attempted murder. Scumbag


  • #79
    bullvine
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    He'd still have to live with it for the rest of his life if he had contracted it, even if the chance are very slim, it may not be a death sentence as it was 20 years ago but its a life sentence. It would affect his general well being and also his relationship with a partner and starting a family.


  • #80
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Drakares wrote: »
    Should be definitely charged with attempted murder. Scumbag

    How is it attempted murder?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #81
    Drakares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Drakares


    mango salsa wrote: »
    How is it attempted murder?

    The scrote had HIV, knowing full well that biting the garda could give him the disease.

    HIV paves the way to all sorts of cancers and horrific deaths and gives victims a lower life expectancy and quality of life.

    That is why it's attempted murder.


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  • #82
    Derv 21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Derv 21


    UCDVet wrote: »
    Anyone know the odds of catching HIV from being bitten by someone who has it?

    Well I cant tell you what the odds are of catching it off all HIV people, as e so niave to Hveryone has diferent levels.I can reassure you though the gentle man in question there only is 4% chance of catching it.I am this gentlemans fiance.I have a 6 month old HEALTHY baby girl from him.If I thought MY life or my childrens live's were at risk I would not have let it be.People are narrow minded & niave when it comes to HIV. The garda in question that night were violent toward's Noel & pushed him to the ground.The garda's finger was in hiss mouth.As He was pushed to the ground he bit the officer BY ACCIDENT. Maybe if the garda had not been so rough this incident would not have taking place!


  • #83
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Derv 21 wrote: »
    .....................The garda's finger was in hiss mouth.As He was pushed to the ground he bit the officer BY ACCIDENT. Maybe if the garda had not been so rough this incident would not have taking place!

    :pac::pac::pac:


  • #84
    efb
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    The ignorance when it comes to HIV/AIDS are astounding.
    My sympathies with the policeman but Indo drumming up hysteria shocker.


  • #85
    Oranage2
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    I just hope the gard gave him a good kicking, pure scum, glad the gard was alright.


  • #86
    ballsymchugh
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    Derv 21 wrote: »
    Well I cant tell you what the odds are of catching it off all HIV people, as e so niave to Hveryone has diferent levels.I can reassure you though the gentle man in question there only is 4% chance of catching it.I am this gentlemans fiance.I have a 6 month old HEALTHY baby girl from him.If I thought MY life or my childrens live's were at risk I would not have let it be.People are narrow minded & niave when it comes to HIV. The garda in question that night were violent toward's Noel & pushed him to the ground.The garda's finger was in hiss mouth.As He was pushed to the ground he bit the officer BY ACCIDENT. Maybe if the garda had not been so rough this incident would not have taking place!

    dammit, there's popcorn all over the place, and the worms are getting away.
    i think i should just sit down and pay attention!


  • #87
    Derv 21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Derv 21


    Drakares wrote: »
    The scrote had HIV, knowing full well that biting the garda could give him the disease.

    HIV paves the way to all sorts of cancers and horrific deaths and gives victims a lower life expectancy and quality of life.

    That is why it's attempted murder.
    I feel I must ask you the question?? Were you there during this alleged 'tempted murder' as you put it took place?? No! Well let me inform you & educate you on facts & truth.This 'Scrote' Your word's is my fiance.He did not set out to bite the garda intentionally.The 3 garda used force on him to which was uncalled for.Garda brutality you may call it.During this altercation the garda had hiss hand in my fiance's mouth,Causing Noel 2 bite down by accident.This 'Scrote' is a gentleman helps other's living with hiv live their lives from day 2 day.People need to get more educated when it comes to hiv.Dont be so narrow minded.We have a healthy baby & planning to have more.Dont alway's believe what you read.Two side's to every story.Garda just looking 4 a big pay out from the state


  • #88
    Boombastic
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    Derv 21 wrote: »
    ............Garda brutality you may call it.During this altercation the garda had hiss hand in my fiance's mouth,Causing Noel 2 bite down by accident....

    :pac::pac:


  • #89
    Derv 21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Derv 21


    kraggy wrote: »
    I think what the garda's superior meant in testimony about him being embarrassed was in reference to being seen by fellow patients, not the staff.

    Thank you at last some one with an open mind.You are correct also in saying 'the garda was embarrassed by fellow patient's.A bit cliche dont you think? In hiss duty of work is he not suppose to treat all as equal??. This garda was just looking 4 a big pay out from the state.Noel did not set out to bite the garda.The chance's of catching HIV off this gentle man is 4% I know this for fact.People's narrow minds toward's others with hiv anger's me.There is so much more to this story.


  • #90
    Derv 21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 ✭Derv 21


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    I just hope the gard gave him a good kicking, pure scum, glad the gard was alright.

    REALLY?? It's because of the force used against this gentle man the garda got bitten.3 garda on 1 man using force causing an altercation,Someone was bound to get hurt.If the garda had used the tactic's in which he was thought in college to take a man down,He would not have got bitten.How did the garda's hand end up in hiss mouth in the first place?? He did not set out to bite him.It was an accident!! GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT! A good kicking? So it's ok for the garda to be violent,Just because they have the power? You uneducated idiot


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  • #91
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Derv 21 wrote: »
    REALLY?? It's because of the force used against this gentle man the garda got bitten.3 garda on 1 man using force causing an altercation,Someone was bound to get hurt.If the garda had used the tactic's in which he was thought in college to take a man down,He would not have got bitten.How did the garda's hand end up in hiss mouth in the first place?? He did not set out to bite him.It was an accident!! GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT! A good kicking? So it's ok for the garda to be violent,Just because they have the power? You uneducated idiot

    Why were the Gardai there in the first place if this man is so gentle? From the report in the independent


    'She called the gardai who arrived shortly before Winterlich returned with the boy. When he tried to go into the bedroom to confront her, gardai restrained him because they were concerned for the child's safety'




    If the child wasn't there I'd say it was a waste of taxpayers money:rolleyes: The Gardai seem to have been the only ones concerned about this poor child


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