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British Airways worker wins case over wearing crucifix at work

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  • #62
    Rasheed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Rasheed


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I wonder will Fiona Bruce (BBC News) be allowed to wear her cross now that this ruling has been made?

    She was told by her employers to remove it a year or two ago.
    Yeah, I can kinda see the BBC's point on her case. If she was reporting on something to do with her religion, some people may feel she was biased.

    Not that 99% of people would even cop, let alone care, what jewellery she was wearing, but as Tayto says, there's always one.


  • #63
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,448 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    I think that any improvement in the treatment of gays in Ireland is directly related to Ireland's membership of the EU and changing Western trends in general over the decades.

    Yep. It was only because David Norris and Mary Robinson brought it to the ECHR that any change occured.
    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    You might be making a good point if not for the generalising.

    Not all Christians feel this way....in fact in this day age I'd hazard a guess that most don't.

    My point is that the church does discriminate as do most serious catholics.

    Nearly every one I know who would mark catholic on a census uses contraception, would be in favour of equal rights etc...
    But they are really just catholic in name. Xmas mass, weddings anf funerals. It's because of these people that the church has lost power. If they all actually followed the direction of the church, like serious catholics, we would still be locking up gay people.


  • #64
    Ghost Buster
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    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Same as the supporters of political parties who don't support every single party policy, but still vote for the party in an election despite it.
    Party policy isnt handed down from an omnipotent being.


  • #65
    WanabeOlympian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭WanabeOlympian


    As far as I can see, Ireland hasn't changed a bit in the way we do things since the lads from other countries came over, but I don't think the new people to our little island care. They seem to like ireland the way it is, sure if they didn't they would have headed on somewhere else. As regards the cross thing, it wouldn't even be considered here as an issue seeing as everyone is catholic in one shape or form. You can't really compare a little island with a giant super power across the water :-)


  • #66
    Ghost Buster
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    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    You might be making a good point if not for the generalising.

    Not all Christians feel this way....in fact in this day age I'd hazard a guess that most don't.
    Ah dear Audrey. If you took a moment to realise that when most posters refer to a religion they are refering to the teachings of the hierarchy of that church rather than the individual followers then you could reduce your posting by 99%. But you like being indignant and offended.

    (If you are a member of a religion you ARE actually suppost to follow the teachings though)


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  • #67
    Grayson
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    WanabeOlympian wrote: »
    As far as I can see, Ireland hasn't changed a bit in the way we do things since the lads from other countries came over, but I don't think the new people to our little island care. They seem to like ireland the way it is, sure if they didn't they would have headed on somewhere else.

    Like all the irish people who emigrate?


  • #68
    WanabeOlympian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭WanabeOlympian


    Grayson wrote: »
    Like all the irish people who emigrate?

    what do you mean there grayson?


  • #69
    Ghost Buster
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    WanabeOlympian wrote: »
    what do you mean there grayson?
    Hundreds of thousans have emigrated and continue to do so.
    I think thats what he means


  • #70
    Thomas20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Thomas20


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    I think you'll find that its Christians (and other religious) who take discriminate against gays and blacks.
    Here are the pics of the two who lost their cases. One for not wanting to perform civil union for gays, the other for refusing to provide sex advice for gays.
    http://www.islingtontribune.com/sites/all/files/nj_islington/imagecache/main_img/images/news/inews060410_03.jpg

    http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0aiW8ggg7P5um/x350.jpg

    The two British Christians who brought their cases just wanted to wear a necklace with a cross.
    But hey we need these people because integration is good for us right?
    These cultured people will show us what human rights is all about.
    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    And how many women exactly have made it to the top position in the main world religions then?
    Sometimes it's good to keep things the way they are, maybe we wouldn't have millions of males playing dress up chopping their penis off for example.
    Thankfully we live in a society where lots of people celebrate this lifestyle...but belittle and shun religious people.


  • #71
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,448 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    WanabeOlympian wrote: »
    what do you mean there grayson?

    Well, either people who leave dislike the politics etc here or they are just moving for economic reasons.

    I'm thinking economics trumps politics etc. Because I'm pretty certain most of our expats in the middle east don't agree with the politics there.


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  • #72
    ResearchWill
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    davet82 wrote: »
    we're not apart of britain :confused:

    You do get it a European Court of Human Rights decision, the important thing might be that we have the European Convention on Human Rights Act 2003 here.


  • #73
    WanabeOlympian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭WanabeOlympian


    Grayson wrote: »
    Well, either people who leave dislike the politics etc here or they are just moving for economic reasons.

    I'm thinking economics trumps politics etc. Because I'm pretty certain most of our expats in the middle east don't agree with the politics there.

    The emigration is a terror all right. The non nationals and new Irish seem to want to stay though despite the economic disaster zone.


  • #74
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Party policy isnt handed down from an omnipotent being.

    Political leaders think that they're omnipotent, so it's the same thing :P.


  • #75
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    WanabeOlympian wrote: »
    As far as I can see, Ireland hasn't changed a bit in the way we do things since the lads from other countries came over, but I don't think the new people to our little island care. They seem to like ireland the way it is, sure if they didn't they would have headed on somewhere else. As regards the cross thing, it wouldn't even be considered here as an issue seeing as everyone is catholic in one shape or form. You can't really compare a little island with a giant super power across the water :-)

    In your dreams! You count me out of that for a start!:mad:


  • #76
    Death and Taxes
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    Thomas20 wrote: »
    Here are the pics of the two who lost their cases. One for not wanting to perform civil union for gays, the other for refusing to provide sex advice for gays.
    http://www.islingtontribune.com/sites/all/files/nj_islington/imagecache/main_img/images/news/inews060410_03.jpg

    http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0aiW8ggg7P5um/x350.jpg

    The two British Christians who brought their cases just wanted to wear a necklace with a cross.
    But hey we need these people because integration is good for us right?
    These cultured people will show us what human rights is all about.


    Sometimes it's good to keep things the way they are, maybe we wouldn't have millions of males playing dress up chopping their penis off for example.
    Thankfully we live in a society where lots of people celebrate this lifestyle...but belittle and shun religious people.

    What the fcuk are you on about? Do you even know yourself what you are on about, or are you just trying to derail the thread, which is about freedom to manifest ones religion?


  • #77
    WanabeOlympian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭WanabeOlympian


    WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »
    In your dreams! You count me out of that for a start!:mad:

    Have you a Christian/Catholic background?


  • #78
    Thomas20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Thomas20


    WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »
    What the fcuk are you on about? Do you even know yourself what you are on about, or are you just trying to derail the thread, which is about freedom to manifest ones religion?
    It's relevant because the story you linked contained 2 cases where gays were discriminated against and others pointed out the archaic treatment of gays by Catholic hierarchy.
    He said Christians discriminate against blacks, i pointed out that 2 of the 4 cases in the article linked were by black people in Britain which refused to provide services to gays.
    The person i quoted said "I think you'll find that its Christians (and other religious) who take discriminate against gays and blacks. "
    Seems relevant.


  • #79
    Death and Taxes
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    WanabeOlympian wrote: »
    Have you a Christian/Catholic background?
    No, I'm a Pastafarian


  • #80
    WanabeOlympian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭WanabeOlympian


    WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »
    No, I'm a Pastafarian

    avoidance but funny :)


  • #81
    Ang Lee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 ✭Ang Lee


    Grayson wrote: »
    Actually they have to wear the turban and cannot wear hats.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dastar
    Okay, so I've looked around but can't seem to find an answer. What does "...have to be born 7 times as korris..." mean? What is "korris"?


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  • #82
    Boombastic
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    Ang Lee wrote: »
    Okay, so I've looked around but can't seem to find an answer. What does "...have to be born 7 times as korris..." mean? What is "korris"?

    Korris was a Captain in the Klingon Defense Force in the 24th century. He became disillusioned with the attitude of peace within the Empire, and what he perceived to be the loss of the traditional warrior ways of his people.

    In 2364, along with Konmel and Kunivas, he stole the Batris, a Talarian freighter, and set off to find a world where he could fulfill his destiny as a warrior


  • #83
    RayCon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,047 ✭✭✭RayCon


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Korris was a Captain in the Klingon Defense Force in the 24th century. He became disillusioned with the attitude of peace within the Empire, and what he perceived to be the loss of the traditional warrior ways of his people.

    In 2364, along with Konmel and Kunivas, he stole the Batris, a Talarian freighter, and set off to find a world where he could fulfill his destiny as a warrior

    Sounds like the makings of an epic Prog album ...


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