Garda bitten by HIV man.....Assault causing harm....Attempted murder more like

Annasopra · 15-01-2013 11:44AM

wandatowell wrote: »

I thought there was an injection you could take within a certain time from getting HIV the killed it before it does whatever it is that it does

It's called post exposure prophylaxis. It reduced the risk of contracting HIV

kirving · 15-01-2013 11:47AM

libnation wrote: »

Second of all Dublin is not the dodgiest place in the world.

There's certainly some amount of scumbags roaming the streets for a first world country. Police in other European cities are a far more intimidating force, and take absolutely no ****. Cops in America wouldn't risk being bitten.

As for the Vietnam story, you can be damn.sure that the guys didn't escape with a petty assault conviction.

My name is URL · 15-01-2013 11:47AM

A female Garda was stabbed with a syringe in a Drogheda pub a few weeks ago and has to wait 6 months for an AIDS test result. The person responsible is only going to be charged with assault too... mind boggling.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/woman-garda-stabbed-with-cattle-needle-in-bar-3339937.html

15-01-2013 11:48AM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

That's an urban legend.

There's an urban legend about something that happened in Vietnam a few months ago? It obviously doesn't say "Welcome to the Club".. It said "chuc mung, ban vua nhiem hiv".

bodice ripper · 15-01-2013 11:49AM

Has there ever been a single recorded case of HIV transmission from a bite? I am sure the doctors informed the cop that the chances of contracting it this way were so slim as to be purely theorhetical, and that hepatitis was a bigger concern.

magoko101 · 15-01-2013 11:52AM

The consequence for the action of biting someone should be severe to begin with.

mattjack · 15-01-2013 12:09PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

Has there ever been a single recorded case of HIV transmission from a bite? I am sure the doctors informed the cop that the chances of contracting it this way were so slim as to be purely theorhetical, and that hepatitis was a bigger concern.

Its regarded as being biologically possible,but as you say yourself chances are so slim they could be only regarded as being theoretical.

I don't think there's ever been transmission through a bite.

anncoates · 15-01-2013 12:12PM

At least the accused won't require legal aids.

Lunni · 15-01-2013 12:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There's an urban legend about something that happened in Vietnam a few months ago? It obviously doesn't say "Welcome to the Club".. It said "chuc mung, ban vua nhiem hiv".

It's been an urban legend in every country for about the last 15 years. Perhaps sometimes it actually happens, but this one has been doing the rounds for years.

Lunni · 15-01-2013 12:27PM

kraggy wrote: »

I think what the garda's superior meant in testimony about him being embarrassed was in reference to being seen by fellow patients, not the staff.

Same thing, though. There's such stigma around sexual health clinics in Ireland, as if the only people who go there inject drugs or have had unprotected sex with hundreds of partners. Plenty of people go because they've had a condom break, or because they want to stop using condoms with a new partner or, like the Garda, they've had a needle stick injury or some other contact with blood. They're full of normal people. Nothing to be embarrassed about. It's crazy that people would rather walk around not knowing what they have than go and get checked.

WanabeOlympian · 15-01-2013 12:48PM

There is a lack of prison space. Maybe it's time for our own guantanemo bay style prison for such people. A manditory few years in solitary confinement. Make it as cheap as possible... making it possible for instance, to put a person who murders someone in prison for 25-30 years. The first 10 years in solitary confinement with no visitors allowed etc.. Brain washing techniques and subliminal messages in music played throughout the cells to turn them into good citizens... too far?

Gummy Panda · 15-01-2013 12:51PM

WanabeOlympian wrote: »

There is a lack of prison space. Maybe it's time for our own guantanemo bay style prison for such people. A manditory few years in solitary confinement. Make it as cheap as possible... making it possible for instance, to put a person who murders someone in prison for 25-30 years. The first 10 years in solitary confinement with no visitors allowed etc.. Brain washing techniques and subliminal messages in music played throughout the cells to turn them into good citizens... too far?

Turn the aran islands into some sort of penal colony like that film No Escape

WanabeOlympian · 15-01-2013 12:54PM

Chain gangs to fix the potholes with a garda on horse back while branding an automatic machine gun?

15-01-2013 12:54PM

how low will humanity sink ?

Big Nasty · 15-01-2013 01:13PM

Lunni wrote: »

It's been an urban legend in every country for about the last 15 years. Perhaps sometimes it actually happens, but this one has been doing the rounds for years.

Ever hear the one about the girls holiday romance in Spain? When she's leaving she's given a present but told not to open it until she's on the plane. When she does it's Miniature coffin with a note inside it doing 'welcome to the club'.;)

Scanlas The 2nd · 15-01-2013 01:25PM

Unless the biter had his own blood in his mouth no transmission of hep c or HIV could have occurred. Blood to blood contact is required.

15-01-2013 01:51PM

Lunni wrote: »

It's been an urban legend in every country for about the last 15 years. Perhaps sometimes it actually happens, but this one has been doing the rounds for years.

Well if it's an urban legend, I feel sorry for the two lads who had their photos given to the papers for doing it.. Might be a hoax all the same but everyone was talking about it.

Grayson · 15-01-2013 10:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well if it's an urban legend, I feel sorry for the two lads who had their photos given to the papers for doing it.. Might be a hoax all the same but everyone was talking about it.

You got a link for the story in the papers? Cos all i could find were these.

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/pinprick.asp

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/aidsmary.asp

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/crime/a/world_of_aids.htm

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/mayhem/payphone.asp

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/mayhem/gaspump.asp

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/kelso-burn.jpg

imom922 · 15-01-2013 10:36PM

A Firefighter i know was bitten on the arm while on Ambulance duty by a scumbag who was Hep/Hiv positive. The lad couldnt kiss his wife or kids untill he got the all clear, it went to court the scumbag was fined and warned about future behaviour. Well wrong.

Celticfire · 15-01-2013 10:38PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Unless the biter had his own blood in his mouth no transmission of hep c or HIV could have occurred. Blood to blood contact is required.

Do bleeding gums count?
I would doubt that a drug addict would be over concerned with oral hygiene.

Scanlas The 2nd · 15-01-2013 10:42PM

Celticfire wrote: »

Do bleeding gums count?
I would doubt that a drug addict would be over concerned with oral hygiene.

If bleeding gums contain blood then yes it counts.

Odysseus · 15-01-2013 10:44PM

imom922 wrote: »

A Firefighter i know was bitten on the arm while on Ambulance duty by a scumbag who was Hep/Hiv positive. The lad couldnt kiss his wife or kids untill he got the all clear, it went to court the scumbag was fined and warned about future behaviour. Well wrong.

He would be able to kiss his kids, whoever told him that should not be working with people. As to the relationship side of things, do you not think people who are HIV+ do not have sex? All he need to do was be careful and not take risks.

15-01-2013 10:49PM

My name is URL wrote: »

A female Garda was stabbed with a syringe in a Drogheda pub a few weeks ago and has to wait 6 months for an AIDS test result. The person responsible is only going to be charged with assault too... mind boggling.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/woman-garda-stabbed-with-cattle-needle-in-bar-3339937.html

What should they be charged with?

Celticfire · 15-01-2013 10:56PM

Odysseus wrote: »

He would be able to kiss his kids, whoever told him that should not be working with people. As to the relationship side of things, do you not think people who are HIV+ do not have sex? All he need to do was be careful and not take risks.

Perhaps he had a psychological barrier to kissing his kids and having sex with his wife. As a Paramedic he'd be aware of how HIV is transmitted but the last thing on his mind that shift going to work was that he was going to be possibly infected with HIV on purpose by someone .

I'm sure HIV+ people have sex after they have come to terms with the infection but I's also be sure that it would take a good while to feel comfortable having sex with someone you love as there's always going to be a risk involved. Condoms do break.

If something like that happened to me I'm sure I'd wait 6 months and avoid any risks no matter how small to my loved ones.

mattjack · 15-01-2013 11:00PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

If bleeding gums contain blood then yes it counts.

I think some of the enzymes in saliva may restrict or inhibit HIV reducing the risk from bleeding gums.
Even if you think about how much blood are you going to lose through bleeding gums.

demanufactured · 15-01-2013 11:13PM

Ads by Google wrote: »

That's horrible.. Two lads were caught in Hanoi last year for putting hiv infected syringes in random seats with a note saying "welcome to the club".

Anyone who tries to spread it like this lad biting the guard should be murdered

FYP

Ken. · 15-01-2013 11:24PM

Any bastard with hiv bit me would never bother anyone again. I'd remove the bastards teeth with my boot.

Odysseus · 15-01-2013 11:29PM

Celticfire wrote: »

Perhaps he had a psychological barrier to kissing his kids and having sex with his wife. As a Paramedic he'd be aware of how HIV is transmitted but the last thing on his mind that shift going to work was that he was going to be possibly infected with HIV on purpose by someone .

I'm sure HIV+ people have sex after they have come to terms with the infection but I's also be sure that it would take a good while to feel comfortable having sex with someone you love as there's always going to be a risk involved. Condoms do break.

If something like that happened to me I'm sure I'd wait 6 months and avoid any risks no matter how small to my loved ones.

If it was psychological, in my opinion I would see that as an issue to be explored if one of my clients who was either awaiting test results or was HIV+.

Now everyone is different and believe me, I have had to wait those six months due to a neddle stick injury; but I was able to continue my relationship in a physical sense; and that is in now way taking anything away from the trauma involved.

Whilst I waiting on my results it was an insight into how life could be for me if the result came back positive.

This is why people need to engage in therapy while awaiting results, they can address those psych issues that will arise.

Mr. Loverman · 15-01-2013 11:30PM

bullvine wrote: »

Honestly, its time to start outsourcing this scum to the Far East

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Beijing

No thanks.

My name is URL · 15-01-2013 11:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What should they be charged with?

Assault causing serious harm would sound about right.

That can carry a life sentence and would act as a greater deterrent to such carry on than a fine or a few months in jail would.

The guy intentionally carried a syringe into a crowded pub and stuck into a random person.

Garda bitten by HIV man.....Assault causing harm....Attempted murder more like

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