The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 06:28PM

J C wrote: »

The Bible is a spiritually discerned book ... that makes sense to the Saved.

The bible won't save anyone. It hasn't saved anyone. No one has been saved. We are living in a prison cell for the last 12,000 years since the flood days. We are parading wars against one another, We have done just about everything to damage this planet and now we have the arrogance to assume we can save the planet and save others?

There is a wise saying and it needs to be now said.

Quit trying to save the world, and save yourself, the world doesn't need any saving.

... yes, we are beings with bodies, minds and spirits ... but none of these aspects of our beings are capable of self-creation ex ninilo.

Great, you finally have shown sense on some points.

J C · 13-01-2013 06:38PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

My definition of life, is living. What's your's?

... I don't see much evidence of life in a rock or a star TBH.

I differentiate between animate living organisms ... and inanimate non-living rocks and stars.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The word of God, is still words from a book written by man.

... but inspired by God.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Funny you quote science now. Now that is funny.

You forget that I am a qualified conventional scientist.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

There were more humans saved, and all humans were meant to be destroyed. So you better starting thanking EA now.

... 'EA' failed on this one ... just like he has failed on every other 'promise' that he has ever made.
... so not only does he not deserve any thanks ... he should get our un-reserved condemnation ... for making promises that he doesn't fulfill!!!

J C · 13-01-2013 06:45PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The bible won't save anyone. It hasn't saved anyone. No one has been saved.

You are correct that the Bible won't save anybody ... but it could point them in the correct direction.
There is only One by whom we may be saved ... the Man-God, Jesus Christ.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

We are living in a prison cell for the last 12,000 years since the flood days. We are parading wars against one another, We have done just about everything to damage this planet and now we have the arrogance to assume we can save the planet and save others?

You have a point there ... nobody can Save themselves ... they must rely on Jesus Christ to do so.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

There is a wise saying and it needs to be now said.

Quit trying to save the world, and save yourself, the world doesn't need any saving.

You are correct that personal Salvation should be the number one priority ... but not the only one.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Great, you finally have shown sense on some points.

Thanks ... so how do you believe that Humans were created then?

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 07:08PM

J C wrote: »

You are correct that the Bible won't save anybody ... but it could point them in the correct direction.
There is only One by whom we may be saved ... the Man-God, Jesus Christ.

Depending on Jesus Christ won't save you either, that's just giving your free will up.

The only way to be saved, is to save yourself.
Another definition would be to stand on your own two feet.

You have a point there ... nobody can Save themselves ... they must rely on Jesus Christ to do so.

No they don't have to rely on anyone.

Look at how animals raise their young. They don't teach their young to rely on them. They teach them how to fend for themselves and survive in the wild. That's what a true creator does.

You are correct that personal Salvation should be the number one priority ... but not the only one.

Don't assume I see it the way you do.

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 07:14PM

J C wrote: »

... I don't see much evidence of life in a rock or a star TBH.

I differentiate between animate living organisms ... and inanimate non-living rocks and stars.

... but inspired by God.

Stars are alive, Planets are alive, we are alive. The star is a living bio system just as our planet is. It behaves and acts as a living organism. It breathes, grows, it changes, it evolves, it vibrates, it moves, it regenerates itself. It's hurtling through space at phenomenal speeds. Our bodes act the very same as stars and planets do. We have a magnetic field around our bodies just as stars and some planets do. I could go on and on about it.

... 'EA' failed on this one ... just like he has failed on every other 'promise' that he has ever made.
... so not only does he not deserve any thanks ... he should get our un-reserved condemnation ... for making promises that he doesn't fulfill!!!

Interesting, how you attack EA, very interesting indeed. You don't have to thank him, but without him, we would not be having this conversation and the course of EArth's history would have been greatly affected. It was his will and compassion, that led to the saving of humankind.

J C · 13-01-2013 07:17PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Depending on Jesus Christ won't save you either, that's just giving your free will up.

The only way to be saved, is to save yourself.
Another definition would be to stand on your own two feet.

We cannot Save ourselves ... because no amount of good works can compensate for sin. Only Jesus can save you.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

No they don't have to rely on anyone.

We'll have to agree to differ on this.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Look at how animals raise their young. They don't teach their young to rely on them. They teach them how to fend for themselves and survive in the wild. That's what a true creator does.

That's also what a good Christian education does ... it equips Christian children to live and thrive in this World ... and to be Saved and to be eternally happy in the Next World.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Don't assume I see it the way you do.

I'm assuming the very opposite!!!

J C · 13-01-2013 07:23PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Stars are alive, Planets are alive, we are alive. The star is a live bio system just as our planet is. It behaves and acts as a living organism. It breathes, grows, it changes, it evolves, it vibrates, it moves, it regenerates itself. It's hurtling through space as phenomenal speeds. Our bodes act the very same as stars and planets do. We have an magnetic field around our bodies just as stars and some planets do. I could go on and on about it.

You are entitled to your opinion ... but I must point out that it has no scientific validity ... and reduces the defintion of 'living organism' to meaninglessness.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Interesting, how you attack EA, very interesting indeed. You don't have to thank him, but without him, we would not be having this conversation and the course of EArth's history would have been greatly affected. It was his will and compassion, that led to the saving of humankind.

I thank God and Noah for my life and the lives of all of Humanity.

As a Christian, I condemn and rebuke 'EA' and all his works and all his empty promises.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Interesting, how you attack EA, very interesting indeed. You don't have to thank him, but without him, we would not be having this conversation and the course of EArth's history would have been greatly affected.

Yes ... I see what you have done there ... 'EA' thinks of himself as 'the God of this World' ... but he is condemned already to eternal perdition.

Here is what the Bible has to say about him:-
2 Corinthians 4:3-5

King James Version (KJV)

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

MrPudding · 13-01-2013 07:43PM

J C wrote: »

... but I must point out that it has no scientific validity ...

JC, can I respectfully ask that if you are going to post anything like this again you put a NSFIM (not safe for irony meters) tag on it please? I have just blown another one.

Also, I hope that you are not upset about losing the "Craziest views on the christian board" title after all these year?

MrP

J C · 13-01-2013 07:52PM

MrPudding wrote: »

JC, can I respectfully ask that if you are going to post anything like this again you put a NSFIM (not safe for irony meters) tag on it please? I have just blown another one.

Also, I hope that you are not upset about losing the "Craziest views on the christian board" title after all these year?

MrP

1 Corinthians 1:17-19
New International Version (NIV)

17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 08:26PM

J C wrote: »

We cannot Save ourselves ... because no amount of good works can compensate for sin. Only Jesus can save you.

We'll have to agree to differ on this.

No one on this planet saved me. Neither did Jesus and I don't plan on waiting for Jesus to come back either.

That's also what a good Christian education does ... it equips Christian children to live and thrive in this World ... and to be Saved and to be eternally happy in the Next World.

All I see it as, a "lot" of talk, preaching and no action.

If you have good intentions, it will show. No words alone will stand up to your intentions. You have to act on them. You have to show by examples and in doing so it is done by action.. Preaching from a bible will not change anything. It hasn't changed anything and it won't ever change anything because reality does not stem from living in a book or any book for that matter.

I'm assuming the very opposite!!!

Yes, that is correct.

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 08:41PM

J C wrote: »

I thank God and Noah for my life and the lives of all of Humanity.

Without EA, Noah be wouldn't be alive or had commissioned the ark. It was because EA's judicature and act of compassion that led Noah to saving humanity during the flood event

As for God, well he didn't want humanity to be saved. The God you talk about anyway. There are many things left out of the bible, Ironic.

As a Christian, I condemn and rebuke 'EA' and all his works and all his empty promises.

I am smiling at that statement.

Yes ... I see what you have done there ... 'EA' thinks of himself as 'the God of this World' ... but he is condemned already to eternal perdition.

So you do know about him afterall.

Here is what the Bible has to say about him:-
2 Corinthians 4:3-5

King James Version (KJV)

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

What has this to do with EA?

J C · 13-01-2013 08:46PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

No one on this planet saved me. Neither did Jesus and I don't plan on waiting for Jesus to come back either.

Nobody and no amount of good works by you, can Save you ... only Jesus Christ can do this ... but you must agree to Him doing so.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

All I see it as, a "lot" of talk, preaching and no action.

If you have good intentions, it will show. No words alone will stand up to your intentions. You have to act on them. You have to show by examples and in doing so it is done by action.. Preaching from a bible will not change anything. It hasn't changed anything and it won't ever change anything because reality does not stem from living in a book or any book for that matter.

There is plenty of 'actions' as well as preaching within all Christian Churches ... you should try joining one ... and see the 'actions' as well as the preaching, for yourself!!

wrote:

Aquarius
Don't assume I see it the way you do.

J C
I'm assuming the very opposite!!!

Aquarius
Yes, that is correct.

I know ... but I have a message from the Holy Spirit for you ... you can be Saved.

J C · 13-01-2013 08:55PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Without EA, Noah be wouldn't alive or had commissioned the ark. It was because EA's judicature and act of compassion that led Noah to saving humanity during the flood event

Who told you that?

Aquarius34 wrote: »

As for God, well he didn't want humanity to be saved. The God you talk about anyway.

Who told you that?

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I am smiling at that statement.

'EA' isn't smiling.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

So you do know about him afterall.

Yes ... I see him in action every day ... and it's not a pretty sight.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

What has this to do with EA?

I'll let you work it out, for yourself.:)

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 08:55PM

J C wrote: »

Nobody and no amount of good works by you, can Save you ... only Jesus Christ can do this ... but you must agree to Him doing so.

Jesus has terms and conditions, I figure.
Well I don't need Jesus's help. There has been quite a lot of confusion on this planet for thousands of years, and Jesus sure has done anything to change things and still today people are falling for the trap, Jesus will save us. But the reality is you can only save yourself. Why give yourself up to someone one else? Where is the logic in that? There is no logic in it. That is why we have been trapped in this hell for thousands of years because we have been inherently conditioned to give ourselves up to the system of outside authority all our lives.

There is plenty of 'actions' as well as preaching within all Christian Churches ... you should try joining one ... and see the 'actions' as well as the preaching!!

Actions speak louder than words.

I know ... but I have a message from the Holy Spirit for you ... you can be Saved.

The spirit is within me, I don't need you to tell me or preach me anything of the spirit.

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 08:58PM

J C wrote: »

Who told you that?

Who told you that?

Look up Noah's genetic history. I am sure if you can read the bible, you can find other books and find out more about him.
.

Yes ... I see him in action every day ... and it's not a pretty sight.

Go on. I'd like to hear this bit....

I'll let you work it out, for yourself.:)

Aw, thanks,

J C · 13-01-2013 09:18PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Jesus has terms and conditions, I figure.
Well I don't need Jesus's help. There has been quite a lot of confusion on this planet for thousands of years, and Jesus sure has done anything to change things and still today people are falling for the trap, Jesus will save us. But the reality is you can only save yourself. Why give yourself up to someone one else? Where is the logic in that? There is no logic in it. That is why we have been trapped in this hell for thousands of years because we have been inherently conditioned to give ourselves up to the system of outside authority all our lives.

The total cost of the love of Jesus Christ is no charge.

... and the original inventor of Terms and Conditions was 'EA' ... and they are extremely onerous!!!

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Actions speak louder than words.

They do ... but often, actions also depend on words.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The spirit is within me, I don't need you to tell me or preach me anything of the spirit.

I'm now addressing the spirit within you ... what is your name?

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 09:23PM

J C wrote: »

The total cost of the love of Jesus Christ is no charge.

... and the original inventor of Terms and Conditions was 'EA' ... and they are extremely onerous!!!

Earliar on you said EA didn't exist, now you are vividly talking like you know him all along. Interesting.

Did he now, what were those terms and conditions?

They do ... but often, actions also depend on words.

Changing the colour of your text is not going to make a difference either.
You're trying however.

I'm now addressing the spirit within you ... what is your name?

No, you are just preaching.

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 09:26PM

J C wrote: »

The total cost of the love of Jesus Christ is no charge.

The church charge at mass. They leave baskets on the side of every row for people to put money in it. Then preach Jesus's message. How this love, when you take money from the people? Could you explain this to me.

See something here, just does not quite add up in your statements.

J C · 13-01-2013 09:28PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Look up Noah's genetic history. I am sure if you can read the bible, you can find other books and find out more about him.

What books?

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Go on. I'd like to hear this bit....

Much of the evil in this World and beyond can be traced to his door ... although, in fairness, Humans have willingly co-operated in this ... and contributed their own share of it too.

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 09:31PM

J C wrote: »

What books?

Much of the evil in this World and beyond can be traced to his door ... although, in fairness, Humans have willingly co-operated in this ... and contributed their own share of it.

Ah the blame game.

Go on tell us, what did EA do. I'd love to hear it. We might as well get it all out now while we are at it.

Could you answer my previous post too, thanks.

J C · 13-01-2013 09:39PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Earliar on you said EA didn't exist, now you are vividly talking like you know him all along. Interesting.

I was (and I am) doubtful over the name ... but not the spirit of 'EA'.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Did he now, what were those terms and conditions?

His demands are many ... his rewards are few and ultimately illusory ... but you don't have to continue with any commitment you may have made to him ... but you need to be Saved to fully break these commitments.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

No, you are just preaching.

No ... I'm asking the name of the spirit that is within you.

Benny_Cake · 13-01-2013 09:39PM

For the last time, this is the Christianity forum. It isn't a forum for discussing ancient Mesopotamian gods, or alien visitors in ancient times. While a certain degree of silliness may have been tolerated in the past, keep this thread confined to discussing the Bible and creationism or infractions/bans will be handed out.

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 09:41PM

J C wrote: »

I was (and I am) doubtful over the name ... but not the spirit of 'EA'.

His demands are many ... his rewards are few and ultimately illusory ... but you don't have to continue with any commitment you may have made to him ... but you need to be Saved to fully break these commitments.

Ah they like to twist things around. EA has nothing to do with religion. hierarchy. control and has no held position of power here on Earth. He hasn't been in any high position of leadership since the flood days. So you're woefully wrong there. But do carry on, I am chuckling away here.

No ... I'm asking the name of the spirit that is withi[n you.

Now that is a stupid question.

You still haven't answered my previous question.

J C · 13-01-2013 09:47PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The church charge at mass. They leave baskets on the side of every row for people to put money in it. Then preach Jesus's message. How this love, when you take money from the people? Could you explain this to me.

See something here, just does not quite add up in your statements.

Churches need to pay legitimate expenses ... but all collections taken up are entirely voluntary.

Salvation is entirely free.

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 09:54PM

J C wrote: »

Churches need to pay legitimate expenses ... but all collections taken up are entirely voluntary.

So there are terms and conditions. There is also a charge too. Thank you for clarifying this.

J C · 13-01-2013 09:57PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

So there are terms and conditions. There is also a charge too. Thank you for clarifying this.

There are no terms and conditions required for Salvation (other than repenting and asking for it) ... and its entirely free.
If you become a church member you may contribute materially to it (or not) as you see fit.

... I'm pleading with you to be Saved and I pray that you may do so.

... and I want the very best for you.

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 10:06PM

J C wrote: »

There are no terms and conditions required for Salvation (other than repenting and asking for it) ... and its entirely free.
If you become a church member you may contribute materially to it (or not) as you see fit.

... I'm pleading with you to be Saved and I pray that you may do so.

I prefer to connect with God, by connecting with nature, and reconnecting myself to the creator within. There is no charge for it. It's also so spiritually enriching. Why are we not doing this?
There is no restriction, repenting, condemnation, terms, conditions, control or preaching and it doesn't cost anything.

J C · 13-01-2013 10:17PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I prefer to connect with God, by connecting with nature, and reconnecting myself to the creator within. There is no charge for it. It's also so spiritually enriching. Why are we not doing this?
There is no restriction, repenting, condemnation, terms, conditions, control or preaching and it doesn't cost anything.

Connecting with nature or ourselves doesn't cost anything ... but it doesn't achieve anything either.

God is not to be found in Nature or within us ... He is a transcendent omnipotent God.
Nature and mankind are but paltry reflections of His omnipotent glory.

We are not our own god's ... our sins are bought with a price, which is the shed blood of Jesus Christ ... and all you need to do to claim your salvation is to believe on Jesus Christ and repent of your sins.
On the face of it, it seems easy ... but I know just how difficult it can be ... and I'm praying for you, that you may be Saved.

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 10:26PM

J C wrote: »

Connecting with nature or ourselves doesn't cost anything ... but it doesn't achieve anything either.

God is not to be found in Nature or within us ... He is a transcendent omnipotent God.
Nature and mankind are but paltry reflections of His omnipotent glory.

You'll find more about God, by connecting to nature, than oppose to reading a book created by man talking about God.

We are not our own god's ... our sins are bought with a price, which is the shed blood of Jesus Christ ... and all you need to do to claim your salvation is to believe on Jesus Christ and repent of your sins.
On the face of it, it seems easy ... but I know just how difficult it can be ... and I'm praying for you, that you may be Saved.
If I can be Saved (and I am) everybody can be Saved!!!

Please pm me ... and let the thread get back to discussing creation ... and prophecy ... as the mods have asked.

Lol, Had to laugh at that. I don't need any being to save me. What logic is there for me to come to this world and then asked to be saved?

That's like training and wanting to become a rock climber. Then when you start to climb you scream for someone to save you. No on Earth is here to save you.

You are here to save yourself. That is your responsibility no one else.

Edit, one of my posts are missing, now this is getting interesting.

Doc Farrell · 13-01-2013 10:33PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The church charge at mass. They leave baskets on the side of every row for people to put money in it. Then preach Jesus's message. How this love, when you take money from the people? Could you explain this to me.

See something here, just does not quite add up in your statements.

I've never seen a single person forced to donate a penny. In the innercity church I go to half the donations go to local charities or missionaries and the other paltry amounts to the maintenance of the building. No money is charged or taken for the love of ....

The following quote is for Benny cake.

'The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.'

Fire up your hammer Benny!

The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

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