The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

tommy2bad · 12-01-2013 11:56PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

It's really to hard to comment on this thread, because it's just hearsay, bible quotes, biased views, religious views and Athesim thrown about.

Is there any clarity here or is everyone just trying to be so self righteous here. How about leave personal conjecture aside and start using some common sense and try stick to a few points at a time. It's very hard to read through this thread as it's just seems like punches swung from every direction.

I had to come on to the "flood" point.

The ark, was not created by "God" and "God" of the bible did not save mankind. You are going to have to do proper research and not just blindly accept what the bible states. You have to understand the bible is not a hundred percent accurate and that is obvious to anyone who has the ability to discern and no fact from fiction. I'm not taking sides on any issue here. I am not even going to allow myself get dragged into this issue. But I really got myself icky when I read the claims about the flood on both the religious point of view and the scientific point of view. Both sides are wrong completely.

The Flood did in fact happen and it happened 12,000 years ago (last poleshift)

The ark did exist, and it was not a wooden boat, it was a submarine type ship

God did not save mankind,

The God of the bible, is not the creator of mankind or of this Universe.

Noah did exist and was part human half Annunaki and he was commissioned to save much of Earths species and humans as possible

Aquarius34 meet JC, JC meet Aquarius34, you should get along well.
Now play nice

J C · 13-01-2013 12:09AM

tommy2bad wrote: »

Aquarius34 meet JC, JC meet Aquarius34, you should get along well.
Now play nice

Aquarius has said that the Atheists have got it spectacularly wrong:-

I only differ with him over points of detail ... as he accepts that there was a worldwide flood thousands (not milliuons) of years ago and Noah existed and rescued animals and Humans from extinction on a large ship.

... as for the 'Annunaki' ... they have lived amongst us ... but that's not what I would call them ... and Noah definitely didn't have any 'Annunaki' blood in him.
That was actually the main reason for the Flood ... and it was the reason why Noah (and his sons and their wives) were the only people to survive the Flood.

tommy2bad · 13-01-2013 12:13AM

Nephilim/Annunaki whatever dude, fairy stories

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 12:18AM

tommy2bad wrote: »

Nephilim/Annunaki whatever dude, fairy stories

No they aren't fairy stories.

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 12:18AM

J C wrote: »

Aquarius has said that the Atheists have got it spectacularly wrong:-

I only differ with him over points of detail ... as he accepts that there was a worldwide flood thousands (not milliuons) of years ago and Noah existed and rescued animals and Humans from extinction on a large ship.

... as for the 'Annunaki' ... they have lived amongst us ... but that's not what I would call them ... and Noah definitely didn't have any 'Annunaki' blood.
That was actually the reason for the Flood ... and it was the reason why Noah (and his sons and their wives) were the only people to survive the Flood.

Yes he did, all humans do.

Hence why we have genetic traits such as blue eyes, blonde hair etc.

No, I said both religious people and Atheists got it all wrong. Read above again..

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 12:25AM

tommy2bad wrote: »

Nephilim/Annunaki whatever dude, fairy stories

Attachment below.

There were tall humans 12,000 years ago - pre flood times.

pauldla · 13-01-2013 04:55AM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Attachment below.

There were tall humans 12,000 years ago - pre flood times.

Evidence for the existence of Photoshop...? :rolleyes:

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 08:01AM

pauldla wrote: »

Evidence for the existence of Photoshop...? :rolleyes:

My eyes have rolled back to my skull, don't even think your eye rolling is even justified. We are not the only people in the are universe, we are not alone. We have been visited by other races and you have E.T DNA. They are the facts whether you believe it or not. It doesn't really matter if you believe it or not. You are what you are. Sorry to be the first to bring you the news....

There are thousands of these photos online. I am sure people have better things to do then photoshop these pictures for no reason.

Did they photoshop the dinosaurs, ah they must of. why? we don't know.

maguffin · 13-01-2013 08:28AM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Attachment below.

There were tall humans 12,000 years ago - pre flood times.

Sorry, but that photo is a VERY well know FAKE!! as well as many more like it on the internet!!

pauldla · 13-01-2013 09:37AM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

My eyes have rolled back to my skull, don't even think your eye rolling is even justified. We are not the only people in the are universe, we are not alone. We have been visited by other races and you have E.T DNA. They are the facts whether you believe it or not. It doesn't really matter if you believe it or not. You are what you are. Sorry to be the first to bring you the news....

I would have thought you would be quite happy to bring such news! I am wrong again, it seems. No matter, time can heal all wounds.

I don't doubt that we are not alone in the universe; as to whether we have had any interaction with life from elsewhere in the cosmos, you will need to convince me. And for that, I'm afraid you'll need evidence. Not conjecture, or speculation, or hyperbole, but solid, verifiable evidence.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

There are thousands of these photos online. I am sure people have better things to do then photoshop these pictures for no reason.

Evidently there are people who have nothing better to do than post nonsense online to confuse the gullible, and Photoshop is a favourite tool of such charlatans. Just as paper has never refused ink, the web has never refused a jpg.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Did they photoshop the dinosaurs, ah they must of. why? we don't know.

I don't understand this sentence. Does it read as "Dinosaurs, so I must be right"?

Sin City · 13-01-2013 11:11AM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Attachment below.

There were tall humans 12,000 years ago - pre flood times.

Frank Bullitt · 13-01-2013 01:38PM

I've been reading this thread for the past week or so. I have to say some of the arguments/points put forward are quite hilarious. It baffles me how some people think.

Great reading.

Doc Farrell · 13-01-2013 01:58PM

I think some of the posters who have been around a while should have more respect for the mod. Do you realize that he has to read this nonsense?

J C · 13-01-2013 02:15PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Attachment below.

There were tall humans 12,000 years ago - pre flood times.

There were giant Humans in pre-flood times ... but many 'giant skeleton' photos are fakes ...
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2010/08/03/were-giant-skeletons-found-in-the-desert

J C · 13-01-2013 02:33PM

Doc Farrell wrote: »

I think some of the posters who have been around a while should have more respect for the mod. Do you realize that he has to read this nonsense?

One man's 'nonesense' ... is often another man's deeply held belief.

For example, I think that Spontaneous Evolution is a 'nonesense' ... but other people believe that it actually happened.

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 04:05PM

maguffin wrote: »

Sorry, but that photo is a VERY well know FAKE!! as well as many more like it on the internet!!

No they are not fakes. Go to India and many places you will find giant skelletons. The Nephilim pre flood times were larger than us

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 04:07PM

pauldla wrote: »

I would have thought you would be quite happy to bring such news! I am wrong again, it seems. No matter, time can heal all wounds.

I don't doubt that we are not alone in the universe; as to whether we have had any interaction with life from elsewhere in the cosmos, you will need to convince me. And for that, I'm afraid you'll need evidence. Not conjecture, or speculation, or hyperbole, but solid, verifiable evidence.

The only thing you need to sort out is your own delusions about reality. No one has to convince you of anything you are blinded towards.

Evidently there are people who have nothing better to do than post nonsense online to confuse the gullible, and Photoshop is a favourite tool of such charlatans. Just as paper has never refused ink, the web has never refused a jpg.

Get over yourself.

I don't understand this sentence. Does it read as "Dinosaurs, so I must be right"?

You are trying to say the Nephilim were photoshopped, so the logic must mean dinosaurs were photoshopped too!

Benny_Cake · 13-01-2013 04:19PM

Mod note: Theories about ancient aliens visiting Earth are off-topic to this thread. Let's try to keep things somewhat related to the Bible, Creationism and Prophecy.

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 04:47PM

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Mod note: Theories about ancient aliens visiting Earth are off-topic to this thread. Let's try to keep things somewhat related to the Bible, Creationism and Prophecy.

Creatonism and ancient alien visitation are very connected.

It goes back to the flood times, and the beings who came down saved mankind from the flood by building a submarine ship.

You can't debate a topic like this and leave everything else out, where is the debate going to end up. If you believe in Creationism, you have to believe we were created by someone or some race

J C · 13-01-2013 04:54PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

No they are not fakes. Go to India and many places you will find giant skelletons. The Nephilim pre flood times were larger than us

You are correct about the existence of The Nephilim ... they were indeed giants ... and they were the source cause of the Flood, according to Genesis.

Genesis 6
New International Version (NIV)
Wickedness in the World

6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

J C · 13-01-2013 05:05PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Creatonism and ancient alien visitation are very connected.

It goes back to the flood times, and the beings who came down saved mankind from the flood by building a submarine ship.

You can't debate a topic like this and leave everything else out, where is the debate going to end up. If you believe in Creationism, you have to believe we were created by someone or some race

Creationists believe that we were Created by God ... not some anaemic beings with 'bugs eyes' and oversize heads.
Just think about it ... if 'aliens' created beautiful Human Beings ... why didn't they give themselves a bit of a 'makeover', when they were at it?

... in any event, arguing that we were Created by 'aliens' ony begs the question as to who created the 'aliens' ... and indeed the Universe itself ... so you logically end up with an ultimate Creator of God-like proportions and description, one way or the other.

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 05:30PM

J C wrote: »

Creationists believe that we were Created by God ... not some anaemic beings with 'bugs eyes' and oversize heads.
Just think about it ... if 'aliens' created beautiful Human Beings ... why didn't they give themselves a bit of a 'makeover', when they were at it?

I'd hate to break it to you, Earth is a very young creation in comparison to other worlds and this universe itself. The creator of the bible, is not the prime creator of all. Even if it were to be true, do you not think such a an all mighty powerful being would have better things to do than write a bible to preach to man...

... in any event, arguing that we were Created by 'aliens' ony begs the question as to who created the 'aliens' ... and indeed the Universe itself ... so you logically end up with an ultimate Creator of God-like proportions and description, one way or the other.

The ultimate creator, is the essence of all within each and everyone one of us. "It is not a being in the sky who gives us a book of rules and regulations on how to live and be"

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 05:36PM

J C wrote: »

You are correct about the existence of The Nephilim ... they were indeed giants ... and they were the source cause of the Flood, according to Genesis.

Genesis 6
New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA)
The Wickedness of Humankind

No they were not the cause of the Flood. The flood was caused by Nibru passing through between Jupiter and Mars and thus caused our planet to flip. This caused the Antarctic ice sheets to slip into the Ocean and tectonic plates shifted. Waters were miles high all over the planet. The only places that beings could survive on top of really high enclosed mountain areas.

Our Universe is a very active living being, lots of unexpected things happen.

6 When people began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of all that they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, ‘My spirit shall not abide[a] in mortals for ever, for they are flesh; their days shall be one hundred and twenty years.’ 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterwards—when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.

This is correct, but you're wording and naming is woefully off.

5 The Lord saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. 7 So the Lord said, ‘I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have created—people together with animals and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.’ 8 But Noah found favour in the sight of the Lord.

Please, the "lord" you speak of is not the "Lord" of all creation. The being you speak of is Yaweh. He is a "created" being. You are also mixing up two beings in that sentence. Yaweh (bibical god, didn't want humans to live) And EA (another being) wanted humans to survive the flood.

Frank Bullitt · 13-01-2013 05:40PM

Really, this is great.

J C · 13-01-2013 05:50PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I'd hate to break it to you, Earth is a very young creation in comparison to other worlds and this universe itself.

Break away, all you like ... I've heard it all before!!!
... most of it is half-truths that approximate to the Bible ... with a 'twist'!!!

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The creator of the bible, is not the prime creator of all. Even if it were to be true, do you not think such a an all mighty powerful being would have better things to do than write a bible to preach to man...

Just because you are all-powerful doesn't mean that you aren't interested in the lives of your Created beings ... or that you don't want them to return your love for them. So it is indeed possible that our Creator God does want us to live fulfilled, happy lives here on Earth ... and afterwards in eternity with Him.

... also don't you think the that a Creator God, who made us, just might give us a 'user manual' of instructions ... just like every other responsible manufacturer does ... with every product they make.

... some Christians think of the BIBLE as Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The ultimate creator, is the essence of all within each and everyone one of us. "It is not a being in the sky who gives us a book of rules and regulations on how to live and be"

... so are you saying that I somehow created myself ?

... and what is this 'essence' that you speak of?

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 05:54PM

J C wrote: »

Break away ... I've heard it all before!!!
... most of it being half-truths that approximate to the Bible ... with a 'twist'!!!

The bible is full of half truths, and it has been debated for over 2000 years and still to this day, this topic has not been closed, finalised, explained or made actual sense. If this topic has been argued for the last 2.000 years, then obviously something is not making sense.

Just because you are all-powerful doesn't mean that you aren't interested in the lives of your Created beings ... or you don't want them to return your love for them. So it is indeed possible that our Creator God does want us to live fulfilled, happy lives here on Earth ... and afterwards in eternity with Him.

... also don't you think the that a Creator God, who made us, just might give us a 'user manual' of instructions ... just like every other responsible manufacturer does ... with every product they make.

... some Christians think of the BIBLE as Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth

... so are you saying that I somehow created myself ?

What the hell are you talking about?

... and what is this 'essence' that you speak of?

The essence, of the spirit, energy and the creative life force within.

J C · 13-01-2013 06:10PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

No they were not the cause of the Flood. The flood was caused by Nibru passing through between Jupiter and Mars and thus caused our planet to flip. This caused the Antarctic ice sheets to slip into the Ocean and tectonic plates shifted. Waters were miles high all over the planet. The only places that beings could survive on top of really high enclosed mountain areas.

Our Universe is a very active living being, lots of unexpected things happen.

... what is your definition of 'life'? ... it must be a very 'all encompassing' one ... if it includes living organisms, rocks and stars!!!

Aquarius34 wrote: »

This is correct, but you're wording and naming is woefully off.

I'd say the reverse is the case ... the Bible is the Word of God ... while your theories are the product of the fertile imagination of men.
We'll have to agree to differ on this one.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Please, the "lord" you speak of is not the "Lord" of all creation. The being you speak of is Yaweh. He is a "created" being. You are also mixing up two beings in that sentence. Yaweh (bibical god, didn't want humans to live) And EA (another being) wanted humans to survive the flood.

There is One God and Lord ... the Triune God.
There is One God and Lord ... the Triune God.
... if EA existed ... he didn't do a very good job ... with only six Humans surviving the Flood ...
... and the resulting genetic and population bottleneck is scientifically proven ...
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v17/n1/events

... so I wouldn't put much trust in 'EA', if that is what he is calling himself ... if I were you.

J C · 13-01-2013 06:17PM

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The bible is full of half truths, and it has been debated for over 2000 years and still to this day, this topic has not been closed, finalised, explained or made actual sense. If this topic has been argued for the last 2.000 years, then obviously something is not making sense.

The Bible is a spiritually discerned book ... that makes sense to the Saved.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The essence, of the spirit, energy and the creative life force within.

... yes, we are beings with bodies, minds and spirits ... but none of these aspects of our beings are capable of self-creation ex ninilo.

J C · 13-01-2013 06:21PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Really, this is great.

... even greater than you possibly imagine!!:)

Aquarius34 · 13-01-2013 06:24PM

J C wrote: »

... what is your definition of 'life'? ... it must be a very 'all encompassing' one ... if it includes living organisms, rocks and stars!!!

My definition of life, is living. What's your's?

I'd say the reverse is the case ... the Bible is the Word of God ... while your theories are the product of the fertile imagination of men.
We'll have to agree to differ on this one.

The word of God, is still words from a book written by man.

There is One God and Lord ... the Triune God.
... if EA existed ... s/he didn't do a very good job ... with only six Humans surviving the Flood ...
... and the resulting genetic and population bottleneck is scientifically proven ...
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v17/n1/events

Funny you quote science now. Now that is funny.
There were more humans saved, and all humans were meant to be destroyed. So you better starting thanking EA now.

The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

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