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Are you ashamed of Ireland post 'celtic tiger'?

  • 09-01-2013 09:09PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭


    What a pathetic place it has turned into. The rot started during the celtic tiger years when a lot of people put their asshats on, got obsessed with materialism, became extremely vacuous and up themselves. I have noticed that attitude still lingers in some.

    A celtic tiger hangover, a malevolent government that blatantly lords over us, a downtrodden people, and asshats. It is very hard to find anything to like about the place these days.

    Other than the scenery can you think of anything positive?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    People with HIV?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭burstbuckle


    I find it positive the the price of asshats has fallen since the crash


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭TheStook




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Before those Christmas shopping trips to NY during the boom, I had no idea what an asshat was, never mind how to put one on! O.M.G! the state of us then!. I bought mine in Macy's 5th Avenue in 2005, when did you get yours OP?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭hidinginthebush


    I was ashamed of Ireland during the celtic tiger: people becoming extremely shallow and money driven, materialistic fools who only wanted the most expensive things. Now we're a much more humble people, granted we've all had a good kicking, but people seem more down to earth, prouder and happier with their lot now than when we were just interested in what we could buy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    What a pathetic place it has turned into. The rot started during the celtic tiger years when a lot of people put their asshats on, got obsessed with materialism, became extremely vacuous and up themselves. I have noticed that attitude still lingers in some.

    A celtic tiger hangover, a malevolent government that blatantly lords over us, a downtrodden people, and asshats. It is very hard to find anything to like about the place these days.

    Other than the scenery can you think of anything positive?

    The use of the word "asshat" has increased exponentially, which is something I suppose.

    But I'm not ashamed of Ireland because I'm not responsible for the way it is, and I don't think it's very different from other developed countries. Like them, there are good, bad and average things about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    I'd take Celtic Tiger era money over Celtic Tiger era shame any day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭jimthemental


    Couldn't give a toss anymore. I was a broke student in college and now I've a fairly well paid job. My recession is over hopefully. Ha ha. I'm going to get a house with two mortgages now and lord it over you OP. These good times for me will never end:cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,386 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Nice to see we have fallen back into our default setting of viewing having money as the biggest sin of all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Celtic Pussy Tiger . . Theres nothing like it . .


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    What a pathetic place it has turned into. The rot started during the celtic tiger years when a lot of people put their asshats on, got obsessed with materialism, became extremely vacuous and up themselves. I have noticed that attitude still lingers in some.

    A celtic tiger hangover, a malevolent government that blatantly lords over us, a downtrodden people, and asshats. It is very hard to find anything to like about the place these days.

    Other than the scenery can you think of anything positive?

    No problems here.
    During the boom times i erected a chicken wire fence atop my wall to prevent the Celtic tiger wandering in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    I love this country and will stay as long as it takes to put it right for the next generation. You cannot dwell on the past but live for the future and rebuild tgis great nation until it sits at the top table. Then people from other lands will look up to us and truly say "You WILL never beat the Irish"
    May god help us all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    kneemos wrote: »
    Nice to see we have fallen back into our default setting of viewing having money as the biggest sin of all.

    Anyone with a bit of self awareness was disgusted at the level of vulgar excess that existed in this country. The 'celtic tiger' mentality is/was soul destroying. A lot of people haven't shaken it off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    This is like the guy who was hopelessly in love with his amazing girlfriend immediately calling her a b**ch and saying how horrible she was *after* she decides to dump him.

    "Now that she's gone - I'm GLAD! I didn't need her. I'm happier without her! She just got in the way!"

    "Now that the celtic tiger is gone - I'm GLAD! I didn't need all those great things I had. I'm happier without them! Material possessions just got in the way!"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    UCDVet wrote: »
    This is like the guy who was hopelessly in love with his amazing girlfriend immediately calling her a b**ch and saying how horrible she was, after she decides to dump him.

    "Now that she's gone - I'm GLAD! I didn't need her. I'm happier without her! She just got in the way!"

    "Now that the celtic tiger is gone - I'm GLAD! I didn't need all those great things I had. I'm happier without them! Material possessions just got in the way!"

    Go and buy a better analogy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    Go and buy a better analogy.

    I can't! I have no money left.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    I was ashamed of Ireland during the celtic tiger: people becoming extremely shallow and money driven, materialistic fools who only wanted the most expensive things. Now we're a much more humble people, granted we've all had a good kicking, but people seem more down to earth, prouder and happier with their lot now than when we were just interested in what we could buy.

    We're much more humble AND prouder? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,386 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    UCDVet wrote: »
    We're much more humble AND prouder? :confused:

    It's our catholic heritage,humble is better,suffering is good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    kneemos wrote: »
    It's our catholic heritage,humble is better,suffering is good.

    Does that mean we're proud of being humble?

    I thought those two things were opposites...but it's quite possible I'm completely wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭hidinginthebush


    UCDVet wrote: »
    We're much more humble AND prouder? :confused:

    Well humble in the sense that we're not all these money hungry egomaniacs that the celtic tiger was turning us into, who are happier with what we have, and prouder in that we're happier being ourselves, once again happy with what we have, not using how much money we make / spend as the meter to measure a person's value. That's how it seems between me and anyone I know anyway.
    kneemos wrote: »
    It's our catholic heritage,humble is better,suffering is good.

    Well I was trying to get at that people don't worry about owning "things" as much anymore.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,386 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    UCDVet wrote: »
    Does that mean we're proud of being humble?

    I thought those two things were opposites...but it's quite possible I'm completely wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

    Being successfull and having money is somehow seen as wrong and these people can't be happy,it all relates to getting into heaven and various parables that I don't remember.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    I'm ashamed that we're taking it up the ass both from our own elites and from Europe. We should be following the French example and publicly executing them.

    Exaggeration, but we could at least follow Iceland and actually make corruption a full on criminal offense, and try both the former government and anyone even remotely connected to Anglo's "golden circle", and if convicted lock them up and throw the keys away. The fact that they're still walking the streets and in many cases have kept most of the money they milked out of the taxpayer is one of the most disgusting injustices I have ever had the misfortune to live through.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Absolutezero


    Going forward I anticipate a bounce from the bottoming out of the low hanging fruit and with some blue sky thinking the market will re energise and an aggressive stance vis a vis artisan cottages will give a futures oriented momentum to the ghost estates. Brings me back that chat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭OneArt


    People focus too much on a country's economy has a judge of whether it's a good place to live or not. During the CT, teachers were always telling me to study hard so I could get a good job because "the economy was good". I'm one of those weird people who wanted to get the hell out of Ireland when I was still in 3rd year because, despite the money, I didn't really think it was a nice place to live. I'm not try to put down Ireland, I'm just saying it's not my cup of tea, but growing up people told me to look for work in Ireland because of the economy. Even if Ireland was still rolling in money I'd still have left.

    Eastern Germany's not doing too great at the moment either, but there's still proper transport, infrastructure, more to do etc. I'd pick that over a cash-rich delapidated country any day. While a good or even stable economy is important, other things are as well. The Irish government should've used the money to invest properly and turn Ireland into a place on par with even England in terms of infrastructure. The money would've run out but at least there would've had something to show for it, and something to use for decades to come, recession or no recession. Instead, people just decide to build random houses in the middle of f*cking nowhere which are no use to anyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Can't see any reason why I should be. Not into shame or pride of one's country - I know it makes sense to many, but my personal view is individual responsibility trumps collective.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 555 ✭✭✭Hippies!


    Don't give a f**k what you say OP, as soon as I get a few bob in my hand I'll spend it on whatever "materialistic" sh*te is the rage that day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    I'm ashamed that we're taking it up the ass both from our own elites and from Europe. We should be following the French example and publicly executing them.

    If the government took a notion to levy a small tax on each and every rape/sodomy analogy for the recession posted online, we'd have the national debt cleared in a week.







    *hee-hee..analogy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭carlmango11


    Why is there so much begrudgery towards the times when the country was doing well? Yes, people had a lot of money and were purchasing lots of nice things. Is that a bad thing? Some circles developed a money culture but I think the extent of this is horribly exaggerated.

    It's almost like people hated wealth. So happy to see prosperity come to an end. Why? Classic catholic self-hatred


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭Eden3


    Ashamed and embarrassed! What a pathetic bunch the so-called "property developers", ie. farmers with land, joe-soaps with "a bit of money" etc. became ...! Now they are landed with so many properties (abandoned) and no money to pay for them = the rest of the country suffers, ie. taxpayers in decent jobs .... makes me SO mad!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭justaskin likeyakno


    The Tiger passed our house, I actually make more money now than then, for the first time I can save from my wages every week.

    I am not ashamed of Ireland, I think it's a great country, it's the percentage of it's negative and pessimistic population that you could be ashamed of. I wouldn't waste my energy on it.

    On a side note: I work in a chemist and the amount of people who get prescriptions filled with medical cards and ask to have two or three months dispensed as they are going on holidays makes me mad for a second. Then of course there;s the ones whos mammys come in and get the medical card prescription filled to post out to the son/daughter in Australia. If you leave the country you shouldn't be benefitting from taxes paid by those left working. They are the ones who should be ashamed and until Irish people stop screwing over each other the country will stay the same.


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