Kenya suffers worst single loss of elephants as poachers kill 12

gallag · 08-01-2013 07:47PM #1

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/9787429/Kenya-suffers-worst-single-loss-of-elephants-as-poachers-kill-12.html

So sad, when will the chinese learn to stop buying ivory?

Myrddin · 08-01-2013 07:49PM

Utter toe rags

judgefudge · 08-01-2013 07:49PM

donvito99 · 08-01-2013 07:50PM

I blame travellers.

DrumSteve · 08-01-2013 07:50PM

gallag wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/9787429/Kenya-suffers-worst-single-loss-of-elephants-as-poachers-kill-12.html

So sad, when will the chinese learn to stop buying ivory?

When all the elephants are dead.

franktheplank · 08-01-2013 07:51PM

donvito99 wrote: »

I blame travellers.

I'm blaming feminists.

MadsL · 08-01-2013 08:28PM

As sad as poaching is, elephants are not technically endangered any more and have become quite a pest, many reserves now shoot the cows with contraceptive darts to keep numbers down. Seeing the damage elephants do to the bush is quite astonishing, they are quite capable of killing every tree for miles around.

Rhinos on the other hand.

Myrddin · 08-01-2013 08:32PM

MadsL wrote: »

As sad as poaching is, elephants are not technically endangered any more and have become quite a pest, many reserves now shoot the cows with contraceptive darts to keep numbers down. Seeing the damage elephants do to the bush is quite astonishing, they are quite capable of killing every tree for miles around.

Rhinos on the other hand.

Oh do the native animals damage our man made farms & environments? Aw, poor man...lets kill all the animals!

Seriously though, the sad part about this is not necessarily the killing of innocent & highly intelligent animals...its actually the fact they were killed by the so called smartest animals on the planet in the belief that the ivory tusks will make them last longer in bed & will cure all their diseases.

Fucking pathetic

gallag · 08-01-2013 08:34PM

MadsL wrote: »

As sad as poaching is, elephants are not technically endangered any more and have become quite a pest, many reserves now shoot the cows with contraceptive darts to keep numbers down. Seeing the damage elephants do to the bush is quite astonishing, they are quite capable of killing every tree for miles around.

Rhinos on the other hand.

The reservation people did not sound to happey about it, they said the matreark elephants killed take to the grave a lot of knowledge about migration routes, water holes etc and it will devastate the remaning herd.

steddyeddy · 08-01-2013 08:36PM

MadsL wrote: »

As sad as poaching is, elephants are not technically endangered any more and have become quite a pest, many reserves now shoot the cows with contraceptive darts to keep numbers down. Seeing the damage elephants do to the bush is quite astonishing, they are quite capable of killing every tree for miles around.

Rhinos on the other hand.

That's a completely misinformed post.

Outkast_IRE · 08-01-2013 08:39PM

If it were up to me, i would take the foreign aid we provide governments like Uganda (who just purchased 1.2 billion worth of fighter jets) and use it for projects like protecting endangered wildlife etc.

xzanti · 08-01-2013 08:39PM

EnterNow wrote: »

Oh do the native animals damage our man made farms & environments? Aw, poor man...lets kill all the animals!

Seriously though, the sad part about this is not necessarily the killing of innocent & highly intelligent animals...its actually the fact they were killed by the so called smartest animals on the planet in the belief that the ivory tusks will make them last longer in bed & will cure all their diseases.

Fucking pathetic

Not to mention that the gestation period for a baby elephant is 22 months.. almost 2 years.. and they are so gentle

Makes me sick to hear of this sort of crap.

dlofnep · 08-01-2013 08:44PM

EnterNow wrote: »

Oh do the native animals damage our man made farms & environments? Aw, poor man...lets kill all the animals!

Seriously though, the sad part about this is not necessarily the killing of innocent & highly intelligent animals...its actually the fact they were killed by the so called smartest animals on the planet in the belief that the ivory tusks will make them last longer in bed & will cure all their diseases.

Fucking pathetic

I like this guy ^

Myrddin · 08-01-2013 08:45PM

xzanti wrote: »

Not to mention that the gestational period for a baby elephant is 22 months.. almost 2 years.. and they are so gentle

Makes me sick to hear of this sort of crap.

Indeed. I don't buy into this "but they do damage to the environment" nonsense either. Good ole Ma' Nature got by for a long long time when it comes to destruction caused by animals.

Anyone caught poaching should have to go through the same thing, they should be shot & crippled & all their teeth hacked out and then left there to rot. Simple as.

MaxSteele · 08-01-2013 08:47PM

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

If it were up to me, i would take the foreign aid we provide governments like Uganda (who just purchased 1.2 billion worth of fighter jets) and use it for projects like protecting endangered wildlife etc.

You're Dead right. The wildlife of Africa is far more deserving of aid than propping up doubling populations who can barely scratch they're holes.

steddyeddy · 08-01-2013 08:48PM

The Chinese are and other certain parts of Asia create huge demand for ivory for use within religious ceremonies and for bs medical practices. The respective governments have been asked to replace this ivory with other artifacts but they havent complied.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/01/world/africa/central-africas-wildlife-rangers-face-deadly-risks.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

The above article from the New York Times also indicates that rangers are killed protecting these animals.

Elephants are very intelligent animals with strong family bonds. The mountain gorillas were saved by an violent campaign and the same needs to happen here imo.

cherryghost · 08-01-2013 08:48PM

MadsL wrote: »

As sad as poaching is, elephants are not technically endangered any more and have become quite a pest, many reserves now shoot the cows with contraceptive darts to keep numbers down. Seeing the damage elephants do to the bush is quite astonishing, they are quite capable of killing every tree for miles around.

Rhinos on the other hand.

Are you the poacher by any chance?

Oranage2 · 08-01-2013 08:50PM

xzanti wrote: »

Not to mention that the gestational period for a baby elephant is 22 months.. almost 2 years.. and they are so gentle

Makes me sick to hear of this sort of crap.

Wild elephants are anything but gentle, they'd kill you out of spite for just being a human.

Myrddin · 08-01-2013 08:50PM

MaxSteele wrote: »

You're Dead right. The wildlife of Africa is far more deserving of aid than propping up doubling populations who can barely scratch they're holes.

But surely the fighter jets were more important than that no?

steddyeddy · 08-01-2013 08:51PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Wild elephants are anything but gentle, they'd kill you out of spite for just being a human.

As do humans.

Myrddin · 08-01-2013 08:53PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Wild elephants are anything but gentle, they'd kill you out of spite for just being a human.

Its been seen before that younger elephants who witnessed the poaching of their parents grow up with a massive 'hatred' for humans. Who could blame them? They're wild animals, of course they're distrustful...they have every reason to be.

GLaDOS · 08-01-2013 08:55PM

cherryghost wrote: »

Are you the poacher by any chance?

His boots are ivory, his hat is ivory, and I'm pretty sure that cheque is ivory.

steddyeddy · 08-01-2013 09:05PM

Humans justify killing other intelligent animals by saying that other animals kill each other so there's nothing wrong with us wiping them out. Surely those who hold that opinion would agree that they're not any better than the animals that kill each other. The benifits of our humanity give most of us the empathy to recognise the vaule in other forms of life.

An empathy that many attribute to elephants, who have been known to show empathy and mercy towards humans. One case involved a poacher who tried to shoot a ele and missed. The ele rammed the man and broke his leg and the elephant stayed with the man and chased off any other wild animals which tried to attack him. Eles like us and the other great apes have spindle cells which give them an intelligence and emotional capacity like ours.

xzanti · 08-01-2013 09:06PM

EnterNow wrote: »

Indeed. I don't buy into this "but they do damage to the environment" nonsense either. Good ole Ma' Nature got by for a long long time when it comes to destruction caused by animals.

Anyone caught poaching should have to go through the same thing, they should be shot & crippled & all their teeth hacked out and then left there to rot. Simple as.

I agree 100%.. kneecap the ones caught poaching and send a strong message back to the rest of them.

steddyeddy · 08-01-2013 09:07PM

Humans do damage to the enviroment on a large scale I take it we should also wipe out the ones who do the most damage?

Oranage2 · 08-01-2013 09:14PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Humans do damage to the enviroment on a large scale I take it we should also wipe out the ones who do the most damage?

Are you on our side or are you on their side?

Just to let you know man you're starting to sound like an elly sympathizer!

steddyeddy · 08-01-2013 09:15PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Are you on our side or are you on their side?

Just to let you know man you're starting to sound like an elly sympathizer!

Indeed I am. Ele's show more empathy than a lot of humans.

Myrddin · 08-01-2013 09:16PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The benifits of our humanity give most of us the empathy to recognise the vaule in other forms of life.

This.

mel.b · 08-01-2013 09:17PM

This is just incredibly tragic news

i went to Kenya on Safari at the end of 2011 and was lucky enough to see elephants in the wild. Our tour leader told us that the Kenya governement has contracted out the building of new roads in remote oarts of Kenya to Chinese companies, who bring in Chinese workers. These Chinese workers soon learn they can earn a hell of a lot more from killing an elephant than they ever will from helping build a road :mad:

Not only are these elephants lost forever, but it's more than likely some of them had babies. Elephants calfs are dependent on their mothers for the first two years of life so unless they have the great fortune to be rescued in time they will die also. Any almost half of the baby elephants that are rescued still pass away, because they were too malnourished too be saved, too young and some die just from the grief, stress and depression of witnessing and loosing their families.

To help combatnthis,nyou can sponser a baby elephant with the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust based in Kenya. It is just $50 USD a year (it costs DSWT $9000 USD a year to raise a baby elephant). They were the first people to learn how to rear orphaned elephants (read the story the elephant they raised when they discovered the correct milk formula for them - you will need a box of tissues handy) and do amazing work in raising them and eventually returning them to the wild. I was lucky enough to visit them when i was in Kenya and the work they do is incredible.

www.sheldrickwildlifetrust.org

There is also an iworry petition you can sign against the ivory trade...http://www.iworry.org/

Rocket19 · 08-01-2013 09:17PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/01/world/africa/central-africas-wildlife-rangers-face-deadly-risks.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

That article is really shocking. It's incredible how ruthless people can be.

3ndahalfof6 · 08-01-2013 09:18PM

gallag wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/9787429/Kenya-suffers-worst-single-loss-of-elephants-as-poachers-kill-12.html

So sad, when will the chinese learn to stop buying ivory?

Probably about the same time they decide to stop killing most species they have brought to the brink of extinction, the rat is the winner here.

Kenya suffers worst single loss of elephants as poachers kill 12

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