Company wins their own Facebook competition

Madam_X · 08-01-2013 01:41PM

Sometimes people can drone "fix" for no reason other than being pissed off at not winning. And many DO like being anti business - any business - just for the sake of it. But in light of the family connection and the not sharing thing, I'd understand people's concerns. Not sure there's any solid evidence though that the woman actually works for the company - the company's statement isn't necessarily untrue.

aN.Droid · 08-01-2013 01:44PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Sometimes people can drone "fix" for no reason other than being pissed off at not winning, but in light of the family connection, I'd understand people's concerns. Not sure there's any evidence though that the woman actually works for the company (as per this thread title).

Well in either case if she did not share the picture which was a requirement of reading that means at a minimum the store is foolish and brought this on themselves.

Penn · 08-01-2013 01:45PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Sometimes people can drone "fix" for no reason other than being pissed off at not winning, but in light of the family connection, I'd understand people's concerns. Not sure there's any evidence though that the woman actually works for the company (as per this thread title).

I don't think it's claimed that she necessarily works for them, but rather that it was possibly a setup by the company which she is somehow connected to. Which means it's plausible that there was no prize to begin with. It might be a case that the woman is a cousin of the owner, and that's why she was trusted enough to make an admin of the page. But that would still imply a closer link between them which hadn't been disclosed, and would bring the result of competition into dispute

Faith · 08-01-2013 01:54PM

If nothing else, it's extremely suspicious that the winner happened to be local. The competition went viral and over 9,000 people entered - presumably from a pretty wide range of locations. But the winner lived nearby. Quite the coincidence.

They've just posted this on Facebook:

I have taken legal advice and in the event of any further repitation of defamatory allegations I will not hesitate to take the necessary legal action against the individual or individuals responsible.
I also draw your attention to facebook rules "you shall not bully intimidate or harrass any facebook member".

K-9 · 08-01-2013 01:54PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Sometimes people can drone "fix" for no reason other than being pissed off at not winning, but in light of the family connection and the not sharing thing, I'd understand people's concerns. Not sure there's any solid evidence though that the woman actually works for the company - the company's statement isn't necessarily untrue.

What's the usual T & C's on competitions, employees and family members not allowed to enter?

K-9 · 08-01-2013 01:57PM

Limericks wrote: »

Well in either case if she did not share the picture which was a requirement of reading that means at a minimum the store is foolish and brought this on themselves.

So basically she never entered?

P_1 · 08-01-2013 01:59PM

Faith wrote: »

If nothing else, it's extremely suspicious that the winner happened to be local. The competition went viral and over 9,000 people entered - presumably from a pretty wide range of locations. But the winner lived nearby. Quite the coincidence.

They've just posted this on Facebook:

The new adage I suppose:

"If all else fails, lawyer up"

Hippies! · 08-01-2013 02:05PM

I believe the shopkeeper guy.

faceman · 08-01-2013 02:07PM

I thought Facebook didn't permit competitions where to enter you have to "like and share"?

gallag · 08-01-2013 02:07PM

Faith wrote: »

They've just posted this on Facebook:

Do they think they are KPM---- forget about it :-)

Cienciano · 08-01-2013 02:08PM

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

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etc.

One small violin is fair enough. But posting up two of them is going too far :mad:

Amalgam · 08-01-2013 02:09PM

K-9 wrote: »

They deleted their Facebook page.

Yeah, it's looking like a Ghost Town as the Stranglers would say.

The Specials!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WhhSBgd3KI

Dodge · 08-01-2013 02:13PM

Faith wrote: »

They've just posted this on Facebook:

I also draw your attention to facebook rules "you shall not bully intimidate or harrass any facebook member

I guess he missed the facebook rule about using facebook native software for competitions (ie you can't use 'like & share' type competitins)

Robbo · 08-01-2013 02:15PM

I like the way the new universal anti-internets brickbat has been wheeled out, she's being "cyber bullied" and is at her wits end.

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 08-01-2013 02:15PM

this woman was just resting in their account

aN.Droid · 08-01-2013 02:21PM

K-9 wrote: »

So basically she never entered?

Seems to be the case, yes.

EDIT: there facebook page gone again? I just posted on it with my view of their recent post and either they blocked me or its gone again

cherryghost · 08-01-2013 02:25PM

They've just deleted their account. Again.

Faith · 08-01-2013 02:25PM

Limericks wrote: »

Seems to be the case, yes.

EDIT: there facebook page gone again? I just posted on it with my view of their recent post and either they blocked me or its gone again

Seems to be gone again.

Lando Griffin · 08-01-2013 02:26PM

biko wrote: »

Happens all the time I'm sure.

Have you any evidence to back up this outrageous claim?

Corkbah · 08-01-2013 02:29PM

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Have you any evidence to back up this outrageous claim?

lol.. have you any proof it doesn't !!

thenightrider · 08-01-2013 02:31PM

Seems to be gone or they are blocking anyone that says any thing bad they are only making it worse lets make are own page of Facebook so people can still talk about it lol

dark crystal · 08-01-2013 02:32PM

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Have you any evidence to back up this outrageous claim?

I honestly assumed it happened quite a bit too. You almost never hear about the people who win any of these competitions. Are these companies who set the competitions legally required to publicly release the results and winners?

Most people who enter and don't win usually just forget they even entered and would never check up to see who actually won.

Madam_X · 08-01-2013 02:34PM

Because, Dark Crystal, the winners often don't want their details publicised. I have worked in this area - people who say "fix", "marketing scam" herpa derpa doo without proof haven't a clue what they're talking about. End of.

Corkbah wrote: »

lol.. have you any proof it doesn't !!

But why the assumption/hope that it's true? Because it's, like, socking it to the bad nasty company?

You'd need to be working in the area of marketing really, with all the associated legal implications, to make a judgment call as to whether that broad claim is feasible.

The search for the conspiracy theory/agenda permeates everything. How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

(I'm referring to Biko's completely unsubstantiated comment, not this case, which does seem dodgy).

kylith · 08-01-2013 02:46PM

seamus wrote: »

I think it was first noticed that she hadn't shared the post, so people were asking questions about that, to which other people responded, "you're just jealous"

I seem to remember seeing that when asked how she'd entered she replied from the company's FB account, i.e. THE JEWELLER: Yeah, I just went to their facebook page and liked the picture. So delighted I won.

When people asked how she was posting from the jeweller's account she responded that she'd 'clicked the wrong button', meaning that she was an admin on their FB page and causing everyone to call Shenanigans.

ETA: http://www.bitterwallet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/1996_395128323908934_236710430_n.jpg

aN.Droid · 08-01-2013 02:49PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Because, Dark Crystal, the winners often don't want their details publicised. I have worked in this area - people who say "fix", "marketing scam" herpa derpa doo without proof haven't a clue what they're talking about. End of.

But why the assumption/hope that it's true? Because it's, like, socking it to the bad nasty company?

You'd need to be working in the area of marketing really, with all the associated legal implications, to make a judgment call as to whether that broad claim is feasible.

The search for the conspiracy theory/agenda permeates everything. How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

(I'm referring to Biko's completely unsubstantiated comment, not this case, which does seem dodgy).

Occam's razor doesn't apply an embargo against a competing hypotheses or theories.

Neither viewpoint has enough evidence to debunk the other. Most competions would be legit (I hope) but undoubtedly there are some that do not conform and are fixed as evidenced by this one.

Even a 0.1% (no evidence to this, just an example) fix rate would be enough to cause concern.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 08-01-2013 02:52PM

Madam_X wrote: »

The search for the conspiracy theory/agenda permeates everything. How about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

AHHHHH!!! REVERSE VAMPIRES!

FlipperThePriest · 08-01-2013 02:54PM

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2511/tedhe.jpg

Sorry ted, I was looking at the ticket upside down!

Madam_X · 08-01-2013 02:56PM

Limericks wrote: »

Most competions would be legit (I hope) but undoubtedly there are some that do not conform and are fixed as evidenced by this one.

Even a 0.1% (no evidence to this, just an example) fix rate would be enough to cause concern.

Well that's totally fair enough - and pretty much what I'm saying; I'm not ruling out the possibility completely - I know of it happening in local draws and stuff. But sh1t like "I'm sure it happens all the time" is what's laughable.
I also think marketing experts might have the authority to debunk some of the whiny assumptions.

Like so many conspiracy theories: too much risk of being found out, too fantastical to be thought of as a scam beforehand and to go that smoothly, etc.

Menas · 08-01-2013 03:12PM

I wonder if she had a Truely Irish breakfast and got a lift to the Jewelers from Mc Caulliffe Trucking on the way back from t'internet marketing class 101.

Corkbah · 08-01-2013 03:20PM

at this point its obvious that all the evidence points towards the whole thing being a setup.

information gathered from this thread:
1) local winner from over 9000 entrants
2) winner is linked to owner of shop (relationship with owners surname on Facebook)
3) winner replies to comments on facebook via the shop (admin) facebook account and says clicked the wrong button (which implies she is involved)
4) owner vigorously defending the winner - most owners would simply not comment.
5) statements issued from the shop and closing/reopening of facebook pages.
Note really evidence as to the "fix" element but thought I would throw them out for good measure !!
6) winner breached the rules (didn't share as per the rules)
7) competition is a breach of facebook rules and therefore invalid anyway.

best thing the shop could have done is accept it, admit it and give the money to charity....we tried, we failed.... sorry !!

oh and Madame X - In defence of Biko's comment - its a sweeping statement, competitions like this are run and "fixed" on a local, national and international basis.... its only when the winners are found to be linked to competition or in breach of competition rules that people get annoyed.

Company wins their own Facebook competition

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