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Was the Ira really that popular in the 70s,80s or 90s

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  • #62
    kilograms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭kilograms


    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/Omagh_imminent.jpg


  • #63
    barney 20v
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭barney 20v


    northernpower wrote: »

    You can't see the difference between how the minority population was treated in the north compared to Scotland?
    I can... only one part of that post though... Have you ever considered why the difference developed?


  • #64
    Rasheed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Rasheed


    I think it has pockets of support in places. I know there's a parish near me where it runs deep with people, having been passed down from generation to generation.


  • #65
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    barney 20v wrote: »
    Omagh.... Nothing more needs to be said.

    That was a breakaway group from the IRA, was all over the news at the time, surprised you weren't aware of that tbh.


  • #66
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    gallag wrote: »
    What was made up?

    Your caricature of the IRA.
    And I can find news articles that say the ira were murderous cowards.

    Of course you can.

    Regardless, here's what one British Army dude who served in NI for 'much of his adult life' had to say.
    A closer examination will reveal that the IRA's own research and development teams in developing new weaponry specific for their own needs is in the world of paramilitary fighting forces exceptional. They were weapons not designed from a great scientific ability but pure ingenuity and cunning.

    No one involved with NI could dismiss the serious threat that the various Mk's of mortar posed. Their targets ranged from mobile patrols, bases, and Downing Street each mortar type was designed and built by their R&D teams. In short or own special forces personnel can learn a great deal more from studying IRA techniques than loyalist. If we take that further and realise that if one is learning from an enemy then one must have, if even begrudgingly, a respect for that enemy.

    http://www.modoracle.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7374


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  • #67
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,208 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    south county Dublin is not an area sf would enjoy a lot of support traditionally,go to tallaght clondalkin crumlin or ballyer as another poster mentioned and im sure you'd find it on sale

    All those places are south dublin!


  • #68
    barney 20v
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭barney 20v


    Ghandee wrote: »

    That was a breakaway group from the IRA, was all over the news at the time, surprised you weren't aware of that tbh.
    Completely aware ty, they were/are part of the ira greater cause though correct? Also this thread does not identify any particular ira faction in its original post....they operated in the 90's correct?


  • #69
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    barney 20v wrote: »
    Completely aware ty, they were/are part of the ira greater cause though correct? Also this thread does not identify any particular ira faction in its original post....they operated in the 90's correct?

    I think anyone reading the thread title would assume it referred to the IRA active in the 70's, 80's and 90's and not any of the breakaway splinter groups that opposed the peace process the provisionals chose to embrace.

    Maybe I'm unique though.


  • #70
    barney 20v
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭barney 20v


    Ghandee wrote: »

    I think anyone reading the thread title would assume it referred to the IRA active in the 70's, 80's and 90's and not any of the breakaway splinter groups that opposed the peace process the provisionals chose to embrace.

    Maybe I'm unique though.
    One word for it I guess....


  • #71
    Míshásta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭Míshásta


    I'm not sure of the exact percentage but to the best of my knowledge support for the provisional IRA in the South in the seventies and the eighties was about 3% according to polls and election results.

    Of course people who don't wish to believe those figures will probably suggest the the polls were rigged.

    Apart from the regular atrocities carried out by the provos in the North and in Britain many younger people don't seem to know about the post office robberies and kidnappings carried out in the South by those self-elected "freedom fighters" on a regular basis. Robbing post offices on pension morning isn't the best way to drum up support imho.


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  • #72
    barney 20v
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭barney 20v


    Míshásta wrote: »
    I'm not sure of the exact percentage but to the best of my knowledge support for the provisional IRA in the South in the seventies and the eighties was about 3% according to polls and election results.

    Of course people who don't wish to believe those figures will probably suggest the the polls were rigged.

    Apart from the regular atrocities carried out by the provos in the North and in Britain many younger people don't seem to know about the post office robberies and kidnappings carried out in the South by those self-elected "freedom fighters" on a regular basis. Robbing post offices on pension morning isn't the best way to drum up support imho.
    Agree... Or shooting dead Gardai


  • #73
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Míshásta wrote: »
    I'm not sure of the exact percentage but to the best of my knowledge support for the provisional IRA in the South in the seventies and the eighties was about 3% according to polls and election results.

    Of course people who don't wish to believe those figures will probably suggest the the polls were rigged.

    Super, except the IRA never ran in an election.

    Is there anyway we can ban people who werent grown ups in the seventies, eighties or ninties from these type of threads :confused:


  • #74
    barney 20v
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭barney 20v


    Bambi wrote: »

    Super, except the IRA never ran in an election.

    Is there anyway we can ban people who werent grown ups in the seventies, eighties or ninties from these type of threads :confused:
    Sinn fein would love that......


  • #75
    starviewadams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭starviewadams


    Saw An Phoblacht sold regularly enough in the old Lough and Quay pub in Clondalkin in the 90's.

    Have never seen it sold in any of the pubs in the village nowadays though.


  • #76
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Is this thread just about the popularity of Irish terrorist organisations or can it be expanded to the popularity of British terrorist organisations as well ??

    The IRA/INLA CIRA/RIRA ect were/are pretty popular just like the UDA/UVF/UFF, Red Hand Commando ect......


  • #77
    Ghandee
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    statesaver wrote: »
    Is this thread just about the popularity of Irish terrorist organisations or can it be expanded to the popularity of British terrorist organisations as well ??

    The IRA/INLA CIRA/RIRA ect were/are pretty popular just like the UDA/UVF/UFF, Red Hand Commando ect......

    You forgot the RUC, UDR, RIR, SAS, P.R, SBS, insert any other British army unit here.....


  • #78
    harry Bailey esq
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    yes they are on the southside but when people refer to south county Dublin they are talking about the wealthy parts. ie you wouldn't describe a working class person from one of the areas i mentioned as having a south county Dublin accent


  • #79
    Dyr
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    barney 20v wrote: »
    Sinn fein would love that......

    Is that Sinn Fein, Continuity Sinn Fein, republican sinn fein, sinn fein the workers party or Fianna Fail? You seem to have difficulty discerning between various groups and eras, its all part of the same rich tapestry apparently


  • #80
    statesaver
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    Forgot the B-Specials


  • #81
    Grayson
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    Ghandee wrote: »
    You forgot the RUC, UDR, RIR, SAS, P.R, SBS, insert any other British army unit here.....

    I always hate it when people (I'm not saying you are) try to make the IRA into saints by saying other people did bad things too.

    It's like when people excuse an Israeli bombing of children by saying the Palestinians shot mortars at civilians first. They're both wrong.


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  • #82
    barney 20v
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭barney 20v


    Bambi wrote: »

    Is that Sinn Fein, Continuity Sinn Fein, republican sinn fein, sinn fein the workers party or Fianna Fail? You seem to have difficulty discerning between various groups and eras, its all part of the same rich tapestry apparently
    Oh trust me, one sinn fein is one too many.
    And please explain your comments regarding your opinion of my inability to discern groups and eras...


  • #83
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Bambi wrote: »
    Is that Sinn Fein, Continuity Sinn Fein, republican sinn fein, sinn fein the workers party or Fianna Fail? You seem to have difficulty discerning between various groups and eras, its all part of the same rich tapestry apparently

    By rich tapestry, you mean they were in receipt of loads of brown envelopes?


  • #84
    MakeEmLaugh
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    Leaving aside Northern Ireland, where we know most people were opposed to the IRA's campaign, people in the Republic were no great fan of the Provos either.

    In 1987, when their political wing finally recognised the Irish parliament, 98.1 per cent of voters ignored them, and chose parties who did not have a military wing conducting bombings and shootings.

    They received 1.9 per cent of the vote.

    Only an absolutely clueless moron would call that 'popular'.


  • #85
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Grayson wrote: »
    IThey're both wrong.

    My point exactly. Both Irish and British terrorism is wrong. Both sides are wrong.


  • #86
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    They weren't popular by the late 80's. too much killing. Earlier, yes. Height was yhe hunger strikes. And even amongst the middle class radical - where they were seen as an anti-colonial group. There was a lot of terrorism is Europe in the 70's, most left wing , some nationalist.


  • #87
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Grayson wrote: »
    I always hate it when people try to make the IRA into saints by saying other people did bad things too.

    I don't think I've ever read someone on this site trying to make saints out of anyone who was engaged in violence in the north who wasn't promptly banned from boards.ie.

    There were no 'good guys' involved in the conflict up north. I'm quite aware that the IRA were ruthless killers and carried out some shameful murderous acts (Kingsmill and Enniskillen off the top of my head).

    To describe the IRA's MO as simply to murder women and children needs to be challenged for the distortion that it is though.


  • #88
    Stained Class
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    Yeah, it was.

    In that era it was basically made up of scumbags, but led by some quite bright individuals .

    They were just 'brainier' scum.

    These 'patroits' destroyed our reputation in other countries, most notably the UK.

    A lot of us were working there at the time, including me.

    As an ambitous & hard working young guy at the time, I hated the times 'our heros' committed yet another one of their atrocitys.


    On our behalf, of course.:rolleyes:


    Why anybody can still have time for these Dicks is absolutely beyond me.

    Pure scum.


  • #89
    barney 20v
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭barney 20v


    Chuck Stone wrote: »

    I don't think I've ever read someone on this site trying to make saints out of anyone who was engaged in violence in the north who wasn't promptly banned from boards.ie.

    There were no 'good guys' involved in the conflict up north. I'm quite aware that the IRA were ruthless killers and carried out some shameful murderous acts (Kingsmill and Enniskillen off the top of my head).

    To describe the IRA's MO as simply to murder women and children needs to be challenged for the distortion that it is though.
    Rira-omagh.....
    This thread is not provisional ira specific before someone else sprouts that one again.
    Omagh,


  • #90
    Ghandee
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    barney 20v wrote: »
    Oh trust me, one sinn fein is one too many.
    And please explain your comments regarding your opinion of my inability to discern groups and eras...

    I presume he meant your post,
    Omagh.... Nothing more needs to be said.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82547587&postcount=52

    Which, as you acknowledged yourself was carried out by a splinter group opposed to the peace process.

    Despite the fact the thread title specifically states 'was the IRA really that popular in the 70.s, 80's or 90's'

    Anyone with even the most limited knowledge/interest in the republican struggle in the north would know that the group responsible for the Omagh atrocity was a splinter faction, who afaik most definitely weren't active in the 70's or 80's.

    Given your posting history on any topic remotely linked to SF I'm astonished you couldn't tell the difference though, and tbh truly shows the depth of your limited (possibly biassed) knowledge of the troubles and events in the north.


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  • #91
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    barney 20v wrote: »
    Rira-omagh.....
    This thread is not provisional ira specific before someone else sprouts that one again.
    Omagh,

    You're kinda being a bit nit-picky there. When people say 'IRA of the 70's 80's 90's', like in the title, it is fair to assume that they're talking about the PIRA.


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