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saorsat and freesat on humax forsat hdr

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  • #92
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    ah but he is not going to use it with bo standard humax software, he is going to update the box with a very useful add on called raydon and that opens up enormous possibilities. In effect it totally transforms the box. I am sure I put a link to the software in this thread.

    In effect it turns the humax into a media server, combines the saorsat and freesat epg. The op is taking a break for xmas but will be back with his findings.

    gbc


  • #93
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    givecredit wrote: »
    I'd be surprised if both of these epgs work together on a humax. In freesat mode on humax the eit epg (Now and next for non freesat channels is blocked)eit epg only works in non freesat mode. Of course Freesat epg does not work in non freesat mode...

    Based on fat-tony's testing of the raydon software on a Humax, I don't expect the Saorsat EPG info to be displayed, but I would like to see how the channels can be integrated on the one grid for the novelty of it if nothing else.


  • #94
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    OP speaking here ! thanks for you interest guys ya gb cullen is right the experimentation has halted for the moment but i will give it a go ,im not that really bothered by the epg it was more the combining the two lists so as i could leave the tv on satellite input and use that remote to change channels,and perhaps have the facility to record something off rte, i expect all this will work.
    i recorded two different chanells the other night while watching rte so i have both diseq now working so im delighted with my results so far


  • #95
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,111 ✭✭✭zg3409


    7 day guide may be displayed on both. The reason for this is that Saorsat actually sends the 7 day information in the same stream as the channel. On freesat the 7 day information is not contained with the channel. It would be nice if all the UK channels each sent 7 day information on them at the same time as the channel, as some german ones do.

    In non-freesat mode you should be able to see 7 day guide, hopefully, unlike on the UK channels, and so the same information would be available when non freesat and freesat modes are combined.

    This is not from a humax but similar on a Vu+:
    combinedepg_pff2.jpg
    From here:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81724322&postcount=17
    I can't take any credit for this.
    I too would like to see how well it works.

    A Saorsat approved box (which there is two) should be able to pull out the info for the SaorSat channels, but not the UK ones. A freeSat box should be able to pull out the info for the Freesat channels. If the freesat box can indeed see the full info for the Saorsat channels in non freesat mode, then it should be possible to combine the two, in theory


  • #96
    givecredit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭givecredit


    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    ah but he is not going to use it with bo standard humax software, he is going to update the box with a very useful add on called raydon and that opens up enormous possibilities. In effect it totally transforms the box. I am sure I put a link to the software in this thread.

    In effect it turns the humax into a media server, combines the saorsat and freesat epg. The op is taking a break for xmas but will be back with his findings.

    gbc

    I am well aware of the Raydon software. But the simple fact remains that EIT epg does Not work with freesat epg on a humax freesat receiver. Raydons software cannot fix this. The only freesat receiver that lets both epgs work together is the manhatton.


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  • #97
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    At best Now and Next info is all you will get for non-Freesat mode. You could install Raydon's modded firmware and use the associated Channel Editor to flag the non-Freesat channels you are interested in as "Freesat". This means you can use the PVR in standard Freesat mode and get full EPG info for the pukka Freesat channels and Now and Next infor for the pretend "Freesat" channels.
    thats a quote from the humax forum where all the humax experts reside so that the way it works


  • #98
    coopershels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 ✭coopershels


    Hey guys,

    I'm gonna try to set the saorsat up on my humax hdr with the diseqc switch.

    The question i have is, when i go in to the secret menu in setup and then the satellite setting eutelsat 9e is not there to select. is this just a naming thing or do i have to add the satellite.

    does anyone know what i have to enter in user define if i do have to add it. i'm getting my sky dish replaced on friday with the 80cm dish with astra 2 and saorsat lnbs.

    Thanks, any replies are appreciated


  • #99
    zg3409
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    coopershels wrote: »
    The question i have is, when i go in to the secret menu in setup and then the satellite setting eutelsat 9e is not there to select. is this just a naming thing or do i have to add the satellite.

    does anyone know what i have to enter in user define if i do have to add it. i'm getting my sky dish replaced on friday with the 80cm dish with astra 2 and saorsat lnbs.

    It's kind of a naming thing and kind of unusual. As eutelsat 9E is so new most receivers do not have it pre-programmed. Also as KA 20Ghz LNB are so new most receivers do not have settings for it either.

    I am not 100% sure on the menus and the options. Basically you could pick any named satellite (except those on 28.2) and add a tranponder. The name does not need to really match. Another option might be to add a new satellite with only one transponder.

    Either way the setup MUST include one transponder with the following settings:
    10.765 GHz, Vertical
    DVB-S2 QPSK,
    SR 25000 with 1/2 FEC or Auto

    then using the KA LNB you can see the Saorsat signal.

    If getting a professional in to help make sure they have done Saorsat installations before. Many installers have never done such an installation. I would recommend a 90cm dish minimum. More info on Saorsat here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saorsat

    I would print out the document on this page and give it to the installer:
    http://www.saorview.ie/about-saorview/saorsat/saorsat-technical-information/

    http://www.rtenl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/RTÉNL-SAORSAT-FAQs-Mar-2012-Rev-1.1.pdf

    I would only recommend using an installer who has set up dual feed Saorsat before.


  • #100
    iba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭iba


    dharn wrote: »
    i think a board member called ida has already put 4 lnb feed on a humax i would hate to think that someone with my level of experience in satellite setup would be the first to try this, but to clarify what i am basically trying to achieve is have the rtes, bbcs etc all on one epg and even better if i can set up scheduled recording of programmes from each, though i feel i may not be able to record off the saorsat lnb or do series link

    Hi,

    Only seeiing this thread now.

    Yes Im putting 4 LNBs (Astra 28, Badr 26, Astra 19 & Hotbird 13) through a Diseqc on the Humax but I am only using LNB1 In. I do not hve anything going into the othr LNB IN port. Also I do not have the Irish Terrestrial stations going into the Humax. Im just using a pair of Lidl Rabbit Ears (cost €12) connected to the TV and that works perfect. The Humax of course is connected to the TV via HDMI.

    Regards


  • #101
    iba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭iba


    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    hi, you are mkaing it hard for your self, watty said get 13east ie make that the prime, bbc is FTA on 13east so you could use that. Also I am sure you have to flip that triax lnb holder ie use it upside down as it is easier to get the elvation. And another hole is drilled in the triax holder to make more of it usable. Once you get 13east you should refit the holder.

    have a look at this image and note the location of 9east and 28east and the holder ie quite level.

    Hi GB,

    Yes ur right, the Triax LNB holder has to be flipped upside down.

    Regards


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  • #102
    iba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭iba


    dharn wrote: »
    thanks gb i was thinking that my self, ie going back to the original lnb holder as the triax does not let you put the lnb bang in the middle ,i found it very confusing knowing what sattelite i had found, i would get a strong signal ,would have the box on manual scan get a load of channels and then have to look up lyngsat to try and work out what sat i had gotten ! i know so far i have had 19e, 16e and 13 e never found 9e yet, thats with the ordinary lnb dont have a spare lnb but if i find the sweet spot i was leaving the holder in that spot and moving to another holder

    To get around this problem, I turned the LNB holder on its side and drilled a hole through it and put a screw through it into the Triax Arm - I keepit closed by using those plastic garden ties with teserrated ege/strip - it works.


  • #103
    iba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭iba


    Now I have a question - Ive been told that one can get free premiership football on 9 Eutelsat so I was thinking of changing my 4 sats from 28, 26, 19 and 13 to 28, 26, 13 & 9 - so guys would/will this be possible?

    Thanks


  • #104
    Pat X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25 ✭Pat X


    On 9 east? Really FTA? Which channel(s)?

    Seems unlikely tbh.


  • #105
    iba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭iba


    Pat X wrote: »
    On 9 east? Really FTA? Which channel(s)?

    Seems unlikely tbh.

    It is likely :)

    see here:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=81957274


  • #106
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    that link refers to every thing but 9e, 7e 10e etc


  • #107
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    coopershels wrote: »
    Hey guys,

    I'm gonna try to set the saorsat up on my humax hdr with the diseqc switch.

    The question i have is, when i go in to the secret menu in setup and then the satellite setting eutelsat 9e is not there to select. is this just a naming thing or do i have to add the satellite.

    does anyone know what i have to enter in user define if i do have to add it. i'm getting my sky dish replaced on friday with the 80cm dish with astra 2 and saorsat lnbs.

    Thanks, any replies are appreciated

    if you keep scrolling through satellite list you will come to user defined, then you type in the transponder number etc, these have been given to you in a post here, do that then save then search
    Either way the setup MUST include one transponder with the following settings:
    10.765 GHz, Vertical
    DVB-S2 QPSK,
    SR 25000 with 1/2 FEC or Auto

    then using the KA LNB you can see the Saorsat signal.


  • #108
    Capt'n Midnight
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    iba wrote: »
    Now I have a question - Ive been told that one can get free premiership football on 9 Eutelsat so I was thinking of changing my 4 sats from 28, 26, 19 and 13 to 28, 26, 13 & 9 - so guys would/will this be possible?

    Thanks
    Just in case

    If you aren't using it for Saorsat then should be grand, depending on how big your dish is and which satellite it's centered on at present ( you might have to point it at the next one over if 9E is too far off axis )


    Saorsat uses a different LNB to the other channels on 9E - so to get both from 9E you'd need a second LNB on a second dish , and a second disecq cable


    To get both 9E's on one dish you would need some sort of mad dual Ka/Ku lnb with a magic mirror that separates the wavelengths (yes they do exist - but a second dish is probably easier to get your hands on)


  • #109
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    I've only ever seen a photo of one though. Used for 13e Ku TV + 13e Ka Internet (HB6), but that signal is linearly polarised I think. Ka-Sat is circular so I don't know if it works. Strangely they claimed it passed the Ku and reflected Ka which was the opposite to what I would expect (very magic!).


  • #110
    iba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭iba


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Just in case

    If you aren't using it for Saorsat then should be grand, depending on how big your dish is and which satellite it's centered on at present ( you might have to point it at the next one over if 9E is too far off axis )


    Saorsat uses a different LNB to the other channels on 9E - so to get both from 9E you'd need a second LNB on a second dish , and a second disecq cable


    To get both 9E's on one dish you would need some sort of mad dual Ka/Ku lnb with a magic mirror that separates the wavelengths (yes they do exist - but a second dish is probably easier to get your hands on)


    Hi,

    Thanks for your reply.

    I ust want the normal 9e not the saorsat 9e. Im centered on 26 at the moment.

    Regards


  • #111
    Skull Murphy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Skull Murphy


    Those feeds are on Eutelsat 10A @ 10 degrees east & your query isn't really adding anything to the subject under discussion here, whether you have the same receiver or not.


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  • #112
    coopershels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 ✭coopershels


    Hey there,

    I put up an 80cm dish today with the ka lnb for saorsat but it got dark before i could set it up properly. If I add the transponder as stated in an earlier post on my humax foxsat could i just move the dish and have someone in the sitting room to see if the signal goes up.

    I'm doing it tomorrow and i just want to know if this works or if i'm wasting my time.

    Thanks guys.


  • #113
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    you could but a better way is to use the usual lnb and pick up another easier to get channel, there is very little room for error with saorsat, where are you and have you got the dish elevation spot on? 80cm is just about do able. there is another post on here that gives the frequency, channel is ANN

    HERE IT IS

    1. ANN =11727.00 V 50 EB9A DVB-S QPSK 27500 3/4 very strong


  • #114
    coopershels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 ✭coopershels


    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    you could but a better way is to use the usual lnb and pick up another easier to get channel, there is very little room for error with saorsat, where are you and have you got the dish elevation spot on? 80cm is just about do able. there is another post on here that gives the frequency, channel is ANN

    HERE IT IS

    1. ANN =11727.00 V 50 EB9A DVB-S QPSK 27500 3/4 very strong

    thanks for the reply, got it sorted.


  • #115
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    I was out, I need to clarify, are you just pointing dish at 9east or are you trying to get 28east and 9east with a lnb holder? did you use dishpointer for dish elevation.

    just say a bit more and we can help. and yes saorsat is hard.

    this is your dish settings, lnb has to be twisted to the left a bit ie move it clockwise

    Address: swords dublin
    Latitude: 53.4557°
    Longitude: -6.2197°
    Satellite: 9E EUTELSAT 9A | EUTELSAT KA-SAT 9A
    Elevation: 27.3°
    Azimuth (true): 161.3°
    Azimuth (magn.): 165.3°
    skew -11%

    and a few on here are using the humax like you but I dont recall them saying 9east was not in menu. Dish has to be correct. its easy once you do it once ie all becomes clear.


  • #116
    coopershels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 ✭coopershels


    Thanks, got it sorted. I climbed the ladder for the last time before i got someone to come and do it for me. i pointed it to where i thought i had it the whole time and tweaked the elevation again and for some reason the signal shot up...... happy days though, i appreciate the help.


  • #117
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    . . . lnb has to be twisted to the left a bit ie move it clockwise

    Skew (twist) doesn't matter with the circularly polarised Saorsat transmissions.


  • #118
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    you as usual., I was referring to the other band. ie the ANN channel so there.

    copershels, I have a humax like you and I just checked it and it has a satellite setting for 9 east. The sats are not in order and you have to cycle through the list.

    The signal shooting up does not mean a lot, get a picture then you know.

    You still dont say what the set up is?


  • #119
    coopershels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 ✭coopershels


    sorry gbcullen , i got the channels tuned in and then used raydons software to transfer them over to freesat mode.
    I put a seperate dish up for the saorsat and left the sky dish there for the freesat.

    I know you cant get 7 days epg on the irish channels in freesat mode but i'm not even getting now and next at the moment. I thought i was getting it earlier but maybe i'm getting mixed up?? do you have now and next on yours.

    thanks.


  • #120
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    no I use the tv aerial for saorview with a combo box and just for fun I get saorsat on a sky 60cm dish. I am not sure what the channel listing is on saorsat. I used to get quite a bit, will check now and see. Are you getting best quality on 9east. With that software you should be able to combine sat listings and get 7 day epg for saorsat, unless things have changed.

    i'll be back, glad you are sorted. With saorsat lnb can be upside down, sideways etc ie no skew but tweak it by moving it in and out to get best spot.


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  • #121
    coopershels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 ✭coopershels


    I have 90% strenght and quality on eutelsat 9e and the stations work perfect and they have a good epg in non freesat mode but when i transfer them over to freesat mode all channel information goes but the picture and sound is perfect. If there is a way of getting epg on both freesat and saorsat on the humax foxsat in freesat mode and anyone knows how to do it i would appreciate the info....

    Thanks.


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