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16 year old sentenced to 36 years for felony robbery.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭Froyo


    Thinking out loud: if we had a much lower rate of reoffenders, we would perhaps have a much higher rate of unemployment, given they're not in prison and the current economic climate.

    Not saying it as a solution to tougher sentences but... Worth mentioning maybe?

    Ah I'm going to get off boards and get another beer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,076 ✭✭✭Eathrin


    I believe in punishment for people who commit crimes, 36 years is clearly excessive though.

    Emphasis should be on preventing children committing crimes in the first place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,911 ✭✭✭aN.Droid


    Froyo wrote: »
    Thinking out loud: if we had a much lower rate of reoffenders, we would perhaps have a much higher rate of unemployment, given they're not in prison and the current economic climate.

    Not saying it as a solution to tougher sentences but... Worth mentioning maybe?

    Ah I'm going to get off boards and get another beer.

    It costs the state MUCH more to imprison someone then for them to the on the live register even getting rent allowance and a medical card.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    He should have been sent to an army school instead of prison.
    What he needs is to be taught proper manners.
    To send him to prison for 36 years!!!Is it any point letting himout when the time comes???


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Red Hand wrote: »
    Are the drugs they are caught with, legal?
    They are now in some states.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Red Hand wrote: »
    Justice system is sh*t/too lenient...justice system is too harsh.

    AH, would ye ever just make up yer minds?
    Your justice system is ****ed, how about? /I know I know, pot-kettle-black


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Eathrin wrote: »
    I believe in punishment for people who commit crimes, 36 years is clearly excessive though.

    Why do you believe in something that clearly doesn't work? Rehabilitation works far better than punitive action.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Is it worth remembering that the victims of said criminals might like to see punishment/justice meted out. It may not be "christian" but victims might feel better that their sufferings have not been trivialized and forgotten in the rush to exonerate the criminal with the usual spiel of "broken home, problems with alcohol etc etc".
    How about, first punish, then rehabilitate.
    Fair?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Limericks wrote: »
    In Brazil, prisoners can reduce sentences four days by reading books and submitting book reports, cutting off up to 48 days each year.

    A judge here tried that and said he would knock off part of a sentance if the prisioner did his leaving. He was reemed out of it.

    Remember, people don't want to see a prisioner rehabilitated. And they don't want to see crime ,as a social issue, get better. What people want is to see criminals get punished and only punished. they'd prefer to see someone leave prison a career criminal, but punished rather than see a criminal turn productive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    To be honest I'd rather they were in jail than out on the street amassing hundreds of convictions.

    It would be one thing if these people didnt know about the '3 strikes' rule, but it isn't exactly a secret.

    As for punishment versus rehabilitation...can someone with 100 convictions ever be rehabilitated, even if they want to be (which is highly doubtful)?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    I think it is important not to lose the point while focusing on the extreme. I haven't looked at the attached 45 minute documentary, but believe that our legal system is failing law abiding citizens in this country.

    Look at the track records of many of the criminals and so called petty criminals that come to the forefront, they have multiple hideous convictions notched up, and not just 1 or 2, more like 40 plus....and are freely walking our streets propped up the welfare system.

    We are failing here to address law and order, Dublin City will be absoutely savage tonight. I know so many people who will not go into town for this reason. I can't say I have felt this in many other cities that I have lived.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    As for punishment versus rehabilitation...can someone with 100 convictions ever be rehabilitated, even if they want to be (which is highly doubtful)?

    I really can't be bothered googling this, but yes they can. Think of it this way, for you to be right, it would mean that no-one has ever been rehabilitated. For me to be right, only one person has to have been to prove that people can be rehabilitated.

    Plus, have we actually tried rehabilitating these guys? Our system isn't designed for it because it's always been a case of "lock em up if they get too bothersome".

    If you picked 50 teenagers who each have say a minimum of 20 convictions for smaller non violent crimes, what efforts are actually made to rehabilitate them? maybe one or two have had some effort made, but most are just given a slap on the wrist each time.

    I honrestly have no problem with seeing criminals locked away, but i want to make sure that the time is beneficial to them and therefore beneficial to us. If they just come out tougher criminals, we're failing everyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    I believe that prisons should primarily be about rehabilition for the greater good of society as a whole but it's not open and shut. There needs to be an element of punishment in there as well. Some crimes deserve sentences which are not primarily about whether or not the time is beneficial to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 722 ✭✭✭Park Royal


    I would like to see additional options for sanctions .....

    such as "house arrest"...for what ever period , as per case by case.....if applicable....

    Short term "out and about camps/ huts".......( concentration camps)...for suitable citizens....

    together with more high profile "community service hours" .....

    as for those who refuse to go to school or get a job......and are continual offenders.....continual detention in an educational facility ( concentration camp) until they could read and write and apply to do their driving licence.....even if it took four years.....how citizens who obviously cant read or write get driving licences beats me....

    remembering the brain of a male does not fully develop until late twenties...
    hence reason a lot of them like .....drinking cansopuss.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    The world needs to shed its cotton wool.

    Crime needs to be punished, now "rehabilitation" or any of these absolute money sinks for tax payers. Lavish prisons, facilities, counselling, all this bollox.

    There needs to be a deterant from crime, there has to be a reason for you NOT to want to commit one. An even more interesting documentary, Irish based, is the "inmate in the revolving door" who when released will look to commit a crime ASAP as the standards in the prison facility are better then anything they can achieve on their own.

    Regardless of age or circumstance, crime cannot be tolerated. Especially in the current age of recession where everyone feels like they have got a bum deal and feels more pressure to commit crime, be it fraud, tax evasion or something more severe.

    While we have a system far too leniant, it provides a positive risk for criminals, of any type, to act their crime. A heavy system will be a serious weight on someones head before committing the crime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 722 ✭✭✭Park Royal


    How much does it cost to keep an inmate in a prison....

    and who pays.....could it be the tax payer?......

    How much would be saved if, each year "suitable" persons / those

    convicted of a lesser offence were subject to their own home "house arrest"

    with monitoring devise attached to arm or leg.......with more severe sanctions

    if "house arrest" is breached......of course there would be breaches but in

    the mean time the "tax payer" would save tens of thousands per person and

    the convicted person would not be immediately surrounded with hardened

    criminals...I would prefer to hear of ADDITIONAL feasible alternative sanction

    options , rather than generalisations....


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