BDO Lakeside World Championship 2013 Discussion

Treble20 · 29-12-2012 10:45AM #1

The Lakeside World Championship will be kicking off on January 5th and while there's no doubt the standard in Lakeside has dropped in the last few years you can be rest assured all genuine darts fans will be keeping an eye on this tournament even though a lot of them will be moaning about the standard!

Scott Waites is favorite followed closely in the betting by recent World Masters winner Stephen Bunting. A very open tournament where in reality the majority of players have a chance of capturing the title. Added interest for Irish fans is Wexford player Jason Cullen making his debut in the tournament. The tournament is been televised on ESPN and BBC. Here is the draw divided into the 4 quarters and match times of games. Numbers in brackets besides players denote seeds.

(16) Darryl Fitton (ENG) v Benito Van De Pas (HOL) Saturday Jan 5th 6 30pm.
(1) Stephen Bunting (ENG) v James Wilson (ENG) Sunday Jan 6th 1 00pm.
(9) Alan Norris (ENG) v Wayne Warren (WAL) Saturday Jan 5th 7 30pm.
(8) Wesley Harms (HOL) v Rune David (NOR) Sunday Jan 6th 8 30pm.

(12) Scott Mitchell (ENG) v Mark Barilli (SCO) Sunday Jan 6th 4 00pm.
(5) Robbie Green (ENG) v Christian Kist (HOL) Saturday Jan 5th 2 30pm.
(13) Steve Douglas (ENG) v Gary Stone (SCO) Sunday Jan 6th 2 00pm.
(4) Tony O'Shea (ENG) v John Walton (ENG) Saturday Jan 5th 8 30pm.

(15) Richie George (ENG) v Dave Prins (ENG) Saturday Jan 5th 4 30pm.
(2) Martin Adams (ENG) v Jimmy Hendriks (HOL) Sunday Jan 6th 3 00pm.
(10) Gary Robson (ENG) v Garry Thompson (ENG) Saturday Jan 5th 3 30pm.
(7) Jan Dekker (HOL) v Jeffery De Graaf (HOL) Sunday Jan 6th 6 30pm.

(11) Martin Atkins (ENG) v Jason Cullen (IRL) Saturday Jan 5th 1 00pm.
(6) Ross Montgomery (SCO) v Paul Jennings (ENG) Monday Jan 7th 7 30pm.
(14) Geert De Vos (BEL) v Tony Eccles (ENG) Monday Jan 7th 6 30pm.
(3) Scott Waites (ENG) v Willy Van De Wiel (HOL) Monday Jan 7th 830pm.

messinkiapina · 29-12-2012 08:34PM

I see Jimi Hendrix is back from the beyond the grave to take on Martin Adams. Fair play Jimi.

Tobyglen · 30-12-2012 12:26AM

These guys aren't good enough to make it on the PDC, waste of time watching inferior players.

nocoverart · 30-12-2012 12:30AM

I think this tournament should always be on before the PDC. Very hard to watch these guys after watching matches like Lewis vs Van Gerwen tonight.

30-12-2012 12:50AM

Tobyglen wrote: »

These guys aren't good enough to make it on the PDC, waste of time watching inferior players.

When Scott Waites won the Grand Slam of Darts, he beat Raymond van Barneveld, Adrian Lewis - who would go on to win the PDC Worlds that year - and James Wade en route. He beat Taylor easily this year. You may have heard of them, they feature pretty highly in the PDC.

I agree that the PDC has stronger players in general, but I don't think watching the likes of Waites, Adams or Bunting is a "waste of time".

big dar · 30-12-2012 01:22AM

Tobyglen wrote: »

These guys aren't good enough to make it on the PDC, waste of time watching inferior players.

Where do the pdc get their players from

scudzilla · 30-12-2012 01:25AM

The BDO is a good tournament but of a very poor quality. Won't even bother my arse with it at all

Treble20 · 30-12-2012 01:48AM

While there's no doubt that the majority of games at Lakeside are at a lower standard compared to the PDC there has been plenty of close exciting games over the years in Lakeside and the finals the last 6 years have all been exciting games with only a 2 set difference been the most in any final.

Personally I reckon if BDO players had more televised tournaments and more incentives to win big prize money the standard will rise dramatically but unfortunately it's hard to see that happening with the current BDO board. Even though there was major changes last year in the Board sadly they have made no difference as regards promoting their organisation.

mdwexford · 30-12-2012 03:43AM

Not this crap again.

Plenty of BDO players are capable of 90+ averages which would be enough to hold their own against most PDC players bar the elite.

Yes the overall standard will be worse but it will still be a great two weeks of darts and I would miss it if it was gone.

Waites better play like he does in the GSOD and give them a lesson this year.

Max Power · 30-12-2012 03:45AM

What is the prize money for the BDO?

Devastator · 30-12-2012 04:24AM

Treble20 wrote: »

(14) Geert De Vos (BEL) v Tony Eccles (ENG) Monday Jan 7th 6 30pm.

surely he has not jumped ship back again to BDO?

There couldnt be two people with that name surely in darts?

Tobyglen wrote: »

These guys aren't good enough to make it on the PDC, waste of time watching inferior players.

ballbag statement there lad

30-12-2012 09:33AM

Devastator wrote: »

ballbag statement there lad

Funny though, you usually don't see these sort of statements after hyped up PDC matches turn out to be crap...was Thornton Taylor only a few days back?

As Treble20 said, the finals at the BDO have been nail biters in recent years.

30-12-2012 10:02AM

FionnMcCool87 wrote: »

What is the prize money for the BDO?

Acc to Wiki, Stg£258k for men's with 100 to winner and 30 to runner up, £16k to womens

buster180 · 30-12-2012 11:39AM

Devastator wrote: »

surely he has not jumped ship back again to BDO?

Eccles went back around two years ago, He was way down the PDC rankings

briany · 30-12-2012 01:00PM

Would be nice to see silverback take the title as it would for Waites but as always the BDO champs are just so wide open that you never really know. Both could go out in the first round.

I will admit that the BDO coverage takes a touch of readjustment on the part of the average darts fan the whizbang of the PDC. It's a relaxed pace. It's refreshing as well and I think it has an appeal of it's own. Sometimes, though, the BBC's coverage and advertising of it can be so low key that you're in danger of forgetting the thing is on!

celt262 · 30-12-2012 01:02PM

nocoverart wrote: »

I think this tournament should always be on before the PDC. Very hard to watch these guys after watching matches like Lewis vs Van Gerwen tonight.

Nobody will force you to watch, the BDO is proper old skool darts with decent players who are not professional and good crowds who go to watch the darts and i for one will enjoy it

ArmaniJeanss · 30-12-2012 02:26PM

@ Mods,
Maybe have a seperate thread for the 'oh my god BDO number 28th seed isnt a patch on Phil Taylor' stuff thats already started to creep in, and keep this thread purely for discussion of the BDO competition.

(By the way I remember as recent as BDO 2009 being told on the threads here that guys like Chisnail, Thornton, Whitlock, Anderson and Webster were complete nobodies who wouldn't win a match against any of the PDC Top 32. It's a soul destroying argument every year).

30-12-2012 03:55PM

briany wrote: »

Would be nice to see silverback take the title as it would for Waites but as always the BDO champs are just so wide open that you never really know. Both could go out in the first round.

Yeah, would like to see Waites or O'Shea take it, put money on O'Shea cos the odds weren't bad. Huge pressure on both though. To be honest, can't claim to see Bunting that often but to win the World Masters means he has the game and the nerve, the last few winners have all gone on to become household names, its been 10 years since West and Dudbridge won it. He is the no. 1 in the BDO and it's a bit of a disappointment that he didn't make the Grand Slam though on the other hand they have a qualification process that is well known and there is no automatic spot for the no. 1. But as you say it is wide open and you'll always get some relative unknown who makes a charge like Chisnall and Winstansley in recent years, or even win it as Kist did last year.

The other important and often overlooked aspect of the BDO is that there is a women's section. Plus the crowds seem a bit more respectful, being smaller, and the viewing figures are good, it's ridiculous that the BDO can't convert that into more televised tournaments and better money for the players.

celt262 · 30-12-2012 04:21PM

O'Shea wont win it he doesn't have the nerve, would like to see my favourite BDO player Scott Waites win it.

briany · 30-12-2012 04:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The other important and often overlooked aspect of the BDO is that there is a women's section. Plus the crowds seem a bit more respectful, being smaller, and the viewing figures are good, it's ridiculous that the BDO can't convert that into more televised tournaments and better money for the players.

It almost seems as if the BDO boys are happy just to look after the grass roots side of things and not worry about trying to get more exposure at the top level.

Also it's fine that the BDO have the women's tournament alongside the men's but it's very patronising to them that the final is only something like first to 3 sets. They should be well able to play the same length as the men's. It makes the women's look like a token sideshow that they don't want to run over long for fear of boring the audience.

30-12-2012 04:35PM

briany wrote: »

They should be well able to play the same length as the men's. It makes the women's look like a token sideshow that they don't want to run over long for fear of boring the audience.

Is not because of some worry about women's ability to play longer.

That would be patronising and sexist.

It's because if they play too long, who would cook dinner?

briany · 30-12-2012 04:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is not because of some worry about women's ability to play longer.

That would be patronising and sexist.

It's because if they play too long, who would cook dinner?

Ahhhh! I knew I should have added the ironic (?) sexism disclaimer.

Seriously though, I think that the women should get a decent showing in the BDO world's. Why not? Give them best of 11 sets or so and just show the highlights on TV if they're worried about people turning off and I'm sure the Lakeside fans will stick around for it, or just come in, mainly, when it's over.

buster180 · 30-12-2012 05:43PM

Are ESPN showing it again this year????

KevIRL · 30-12-2012 05:45PM

buster180 wrote: »

Are ESPN showing it again this year????

Yep

Treble20 · 31-12-2012 01:02AM

Not surprising to see some negative comments on here. Personally I've always enjoyed Lakeside and BDO darts on TV. After the carry on tonight on Sky I'm looking forward to seeing some familiar and new faces throwing darts in a friendly atmosphere in Lakeside in front of an appreciative audience and by an unbiased commentary teams on both ESPN and BBC. Bring it on!

Tobyglen · 31-12-2012 02:28AM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

@ Mods,
Maybe have a seperate thread for the 'oh my god BDO number 28th seed isnt a patch on Phil Taylor' stuff thats already started to creep in, and keep this thread purely for discussion of the BDO competition.

(By the way I remember as recent as BDO 2009 being told on the threads here that guys like Chisnail, Thornton, Whitlock, Anderson and Webster were complete nobodies who wouldn't win a match against any of the PDC Top 32. It's a soul destroying argument every year).

Why do you think all of the above moved to pdc? More money cause the higher level of competition attracts the better players. The standard is country miles apart. 1/2 decent games towards the end but the overall standard is shocking in comparison to the PDC world champs.

Tobyglen · 31-12-2012 02:29AM

celt262 wrote: »

Nobody will force you to watch, the BDO is proper old skool darts with decent players who are not professional and good crowds who go to watch the darts and i for one will enjoy it

Good crowds argument is used to excuse the poor averages. Lots of these guys are just very good pub players

31-12-2012 02:42AM

Tobyglen wrote: »

Why do you think all of the above moved to pdc? More money cause the higher level of competition attracts the better players. The standard is country miles apart. 1/2 decent games towards the end but the overall standard is shocking in comparison to the PDC world champs.

Why does it bother you then?

Do you visit soccer forums and laugh at fellows who follow Liverpool and Leeds when they should all be watching La Liga? Or how about those who would watch the Irish rugby team, when of course they are a country mile behind teams like the All Blacks?

No one is making you watch it. It's seems like a weak effort to wind up those who like it.

Tobyglen · 31-12-2012 03:06AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why does it bother you then?

Do you visit soccer forums and laugh at fellows who follow Liverpool and Leeds when they should all be watching La Liga? Or how about those who would watch the Irish rugby team, when of course they are a country mile behind teams like the All Blacks?

No one is making you watch it. It's seems like a weak effort to wind up those who like it.

I just think it's very patronising to hear these BDO fans talking about poor crowds when it's essentially the skill of the dart player that is all important.

31-12-2012 03:11AM

Tobyglen wrote: »

I just think it's very patronising to hear these BDO fans talking about poor crowds when it's essentially the skill of the dart player that is all important.

But I think the BDO players have no little skill. So I disagree with your comments about it all being a waste of time, pub players and country miles apart. I referred to Waites handily beating the likes of Taylor...only one of them has won his organisations top prize. I agree that the PDC is stronger, but I think the gap is a lot a lot closer than, say, watching the Irish rugby team get absolutely battered out the gate by NZ. Either way, even at that I wouldn't go onto a rugby forum and sneer at fans of that sport for watching allegedly second rate players.

Tobyglen · 31-12-2012 03:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

But I think the BDO players have no little skill. So I disagree with your comments about it all being a waste of time, pub players and country miles apart. I referred to Waites handily beating the likes of Taylor...only one of them has won his organisations top prize. I agree that the PDC is stronger, but I think the gap is a lot a lot closer than, say, watching the Irish rugby team get absolutely battered out the gate by NZ. Either way, even at that I wouldn't go onto a rugby forum and sneer at fans of that sport for watching allegedly second rate players.

I don't see many Irish rugby fans sneering at the ABs for being a better class of people. I just don't get the sniggering when you're looking at 2nd rate players

The gulf in class is huge BTW, how many 9 darters have been in the world champs in the BDO in the last 5 years? The gulf is averages is huge.

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