Church bashing in AH

SebBerkovich · 24-12-2012 11:30AM

The Church did some really horrible, unethical things for many years. I can get through my day ignoring their existence.
Only thing that gets to me is that they're completely oblivious to how far they've fallen from any moral high ground.
They STILL feel they have an authority on moral issues. Their condescending orders to follow them blindly drives me nuts.

But they'll be gone soon and some of those churches are gonna make some really nice converted apartments. so... something to look forward to i guess

upstairs for coffee · 24-12-2012 11:31AM

newmug wrote: »

I am a Catholic. I never raped anyone. I never facilitated the rape of anyone. Of the 2 billion or so of us, I've only heard of a handful of rapists who do not represent me or my views, hiding among our ranks. I didnt cover up for them or keep their deeds a secret, I only heard about their un-Catholic, un-Christian acts at the same time as everyone else. I am as repulsed as you, and I wish the government would administer justice to these people.

But you continue to support this organisation that facilitated, aided and abetted these atrocities. It is the equivalent of your support not wavering for Hitler after the fact.

The organisation that you believe in has been bought and sold more times by the Roman aristocracy than a pimp would sell a prostitute. Yet you continue to believe that this organisation has a divine moral right over you.

You continue you to believe that this organisation is the link between this world and God. If there is a God he/she would have severed this link thousands of years ago.

I've never seen an organisation as self righteous as the Roman Catholic Church. The organisation are suppliers of amorality, destruction and death. Not even the Westboro Baptist Church has death on their hands.

Believe in God if you so wish, don't blindly follow an organisation that is destitute of morality and holiness.

padd b1975 · 24-12-2012 11:32AM

super_furry wrote: »

People are angry at the Catholic church because of their history of raping and abusing children, covering it up, attempting to frustrate investigations into it and then preaching to adults about their sexuality.

This anger is reflected on this forum and in many other facets of Irish life.

Why are these people so silent when it comes to the disgusting actions carried out in the name of Islam?

SebBerkovich · 24-12-2012 11:33AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Why are these people so silent when it comes to the disgusting actions carried out in the name of Islam?

I've always said, Islam gets a free ride in the west.. lucky bastards.

Corkfeen · 24-12-2012 11:40AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Why are these people so silent when it comes to the disgusting actions carried out in the name of Islam?

Because Ireland doesn't have a schooling system that is primarily Islamic etc. However the A&A forum does discuss Islam and atrocities that occur under it..... Just Catholicism tends to be the priority in Ireland....

padd b1975 · 24-12-2012 11:41AM

philologos wrote: »

I never said that people weren't abused by their own families. Some were abused by the State. This is completely wrong, and horrific, and equally worthy for our condemnation.

I think for a lot of people though, it is difficult to underestimate the pain that is involved in people claiming to be the representatives of Jesus Christ being involved in such horrific child abuse. I can understand firmly why many people will never walk into a church again, and I find it deeply regrettable considering that these actions have so little to do with the actual Gospel.

By the by, I'm a Christian, I have to say though that a lot of the criticism concerning the Roman Catholic Church particularly in how it handled child abuse is completely just. I have to say, if this happened in my own church community, I think I would have to leave it and look elsewhere.

What would disgust you more?
A child being raped by a parent or close relation or a child being raped from someone outside the family.

I think that when the abuse comes from within the family, it just seems more disgusting.

I am by no means trying to cheapen clerical sex abuse here.

SebBerkovich · 24-12-2012 11:46AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

What would disgust you more?
A child being raped by a parent or close relation or a child being raped from someone outside the family.

I think that when the abuse comes from within the family, it just seems more disgusting.

I am by no means trying to cheapen clerical sex abuse here.

I don't think you're gonna wanna enter a "Which rape is worse rape" argument... there's no way out of that spiral

Corkfeen · 24-12-2012 11:47AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

What would disgust you more?
A child being raped by a parent or close relation or a child being raped from someone outside the family.

I think that when the abuse comes from within the family, it just seems more disgusting.

I am by no means trying to cheapen clerical sex abuse here.

You are attempting to cheapen it. The church claims to be a moral authority yet covered up sex abuse perpetrated by the clergy(not just in Ireland) and to this day won't pay compensation to those who were abused.

padd b1975 · 24-12-2012 11:49AM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Because Ireland doesn't have a schooling system that is primarily Islamic etc. However the A&A forum does discuss Islam and atrocities that occur under it..... Just Catholicism tends to be the priority in Ireland....

I would love to see some statistics regarding the amount of murders carried out in the name of Islam compared to Catholicism over the past 50 years.

super_furry · 24-12-2012 11:50AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Why are these people so silent when it comes to the disgusting actions carried out in the name of Islam?

Mostly because we don't live in a society that forces Islam down the throat of every child from the moment they're born. We're not indoctrinated into that religion in school and we don't have to listen to the their hypocritical leaders continue to try and run peoples lives.

Can't say the same for Catholicism unfortunately.

padd b1975 · 24-12-2012 11:51AM

Corkfeen wrote: »

You are attempting to cheapen it. The church claims to be a moral authority yet covered up sex abuse perpetrated by the clergy(not just in Ireland) and to this day won't pay compensation to those who were abused.

And whats the role of a parent in a child's upbringing??

upstairs for coffee · 24-12-2012 11:52AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

I would love to see some statistics regarding the amount of murders carried out in the name of Islam compared to Catholicism over the past 50 years.

Of course the number will be vastly disproportionate, your point is so invalid.

The west societies are more developed than the middle east, but give it another 50 years or so and things will start to calm down as the middle east becomes more liberal and open minded.

padd b1975 · 24-12-2012 11:53AM

super_furry wrote: »

Mostly because we don't live in a society that forces Islam down the throat of every child from the moment they're born. We're not indoctrinated into that religion in school and we don't have to listen to the their hypocritical leaders continue to try and run peoples lives.

Can't say the same for Catholicism unfortunately.

We are all human beings, are we not??

Are you saying those murdered in the name of Islam don't matter because they are "far far away"?

Corkfeen · 24-12-2012 11:53AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

I would love to see some statistics regarding the amount of murders carried out in the name of Islam compared to Catholicism over the past 50 years.

Where did I say Islam doesn't do bad things?

Fr_Dougal · 24-12-2012 11:55AM

Mammanabammana wrote: »

Is it just me? Or is anybody else starting to get tired of seeing thread after thread hijacked by people who can't wait to stick the boot into the church (specifically RC, although there may be others)...it's now getting to a point where I sit reading threads, waiting for somebody to grab any excuse at all to have a go at the church. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a church advocate or defender at all, and I'm, as much as anybody else, sickened by the behaviour of the church, not only in Ireland but worldwide. (They're starting to throw their weight around in the Philippines now because of a new government ruling that family planning - as in contraception - should be state funded and properly provided and the hypocrisy is frankly disgusting).

But it's getting to a point where I seem to be constantly reading threads and then suddenly, out of nowhere, a complete non seqitur pops up just for somebody to have a go at the church and for no other reason. Why bother? What's the point? If you want to have a go at the church, start a thread about it, find another forum...

But stop hijacking my enjoyment of AH with your church bashing. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not saying stop doing it, I'm not saying ignore your convictions...

I'm just saying, find a proper place to talk about it if it pisses you off THAT much, and stop throwing it in my face over and over again!

No.

SebBerkovich · 24-12-2012 11:58AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

We are all human beings, are we not??

Are you saying those murdered in the name of Islam don't matter because they are "far far away"?

Raping children or stoning women to death.. religion is an impossible choice, i just have to hope that when i flip the coin it somehow explodes and kills me.

padd b1975 · 24-12-2012 11:59AM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Where did I say Islam doesn't do bad things?

No where.

My point is that a lot of people are slow to say that they do.

RossFixxxed · 24-12-2012 12:01PM

Their church does more evil things than mine, therefore mine is grand.

Logic.

$:\$

krudler · 24-12-2012 12:09PM

When are people going to realise that your religious beliefs afford you NO special rights, you're basically saying someone can't discuss or criticise something because you believe in a thing that has not one single bit of tangible evidence, not one, and you'll get offended if anyone belittles it,well **** that.

The church apologists will trot out the "not all priests are bad" line, which of course they're not, but they do still work for an organisation that makes money on the back of outright, blatant lies. That condoms spread AIDS, that up until recently unbaptised children couldn't go to heaven and suicide victims would go to hell, who covered up child rape and moved rapists from one parish to another without anything said to the authorities. The HEAD of this business,who is supposedly the infallible spokesman for god on earth is on record of saying that gay people are evil, and this is an organisation people want to DEFEND? The church deserves every single bit of criticism it gets.

Grayson · 24-12-2012 12:09PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

I would love to see some statistics regarding the amount of murders carried out in the name of Islam compared to Catholicism over the past 50 years.

And if you have to resort to saying "Well, it's not as bad as", you've lost the argument. Eventually you'll start comparing them to the nazis (btw, i wouldn't do that Hitler was catholic and stalin was a seminarian in an orthodox church and that is very similar to catholicism)

And if it's christianity in general, over a million died as a result of two Christian rulers invading another country because they believed it was the right thing to do. One of them was a serious born again christion. the other was church of england, but later converted to catholicism. Bush and Blair allowed their religion to influence their decision to invade.

Corkfeen · 24-12-2012 12:14PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

No where.

My point is that a lot of people are slow to say that they do.

There have been topics about public stonings etc in AH. In other forums, more in depth discussions occur on them. So yes, they do get discussed. However the RCC has the greatest amount of adherents of any faith so is likely to get criticised the most in an Irish forum. As soon as Mullahs start lobbying the government against gay marriage, abortion etc and they have control over 90% of the schools.... I'm sure you'll see topics about it. :pac:

This is what the pope did for his Christmas btw. http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-gives-blessing-to-ugandan-kill-the-gays-lawmaker

Grayson · 24-12-2012 12:19PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Why are these people so silent when it comes to the disgusting actions carried out in the name of Islam?

they're not. they're disgusted by the actions of the catholic church because it's disgusting. They're disgusted by the actions of islam because those actions are disgusting.

this is because they are fair people who find horrible actions horrible. It's not because of who carried them out, it because of they actions themselves.

You however appear to think that the reason people are offended is because of who carried them out, not because of the actions themselves.

There is one personal cavet I'll mention. i disagree with suicide bombings etc.. Especially when civilians are targeted. But i can see how, if someone grew up in occupied palestine, they would develop a hatred of israel. But this is politics reflected through religion. If they were catholics instead of muslims and they were in the same situation, they would still use violence (just look at the IRA).
So I'll still condemn it, but i won't be condemning it as a religious action Not that there aren't plenty of reasons to condemn islam. Stonings, burkas etc....

Lapin · 24-12-2012 12:21PM

publicious wrote: »

AH users thread carefully on Jewish threads.

Anti-Catholicism is the last acceptable prejudice, however.

Thats bollox.

I care no more a fúck for Judaism than I do for Christianity and its most financially successful franchise, Catholicism.

Or any other creed for that matter.

All religion is evil.

Madam_X · 24-12-2012 12:26PM

Sometimes it's brought up when it's not even relevant though - it's a bit lazy, an easy target. I don't have a problem with a person being a practising catholic as long as they acknowledge the wrongs of the organisation and are good people, unlike some of the "Christians" you'd encounter here.

publicious wrote: »

So what institute educated you?

Does it take a PhD to get into negative equity with multiple failed investment properties?

I suppose you expect me to bail you out too?

Huh?

Biggins · 24-12-2012 12:29PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I belive in god. I do not believe in the church however. I view it as a 'business'.

But what I don't like is someone using any excuse to show how atheist they are and slag people of faith. Like there is slagging the chruch, as they have ALOT to answer for :mad:, then there is using that as a means to poke fun of peoples beliefs.

I (and many others here and beyond boards.ie I suspect) has NO problem with people of any faith which they for their own reasons, decided to hold in their hearts and minds.

As for the Roman Catholic Organisation based from Rome - just as an organisation, I find them despicable, concrete liars, far out of date, a two-faced mafia (that is one one hand saying greed/money can be evil but on the other hand, give us your money!) and from top downwards. only interested in one thing - themselves mostly in covering their asses and abusing others!
...And don't get me started on just how anti-women they are!

padd b1975 · 24-12-2012 12:32PM

Grayson wrote: »

And if you have to resort to saying "Well, it's not as bad as", you've lost the argument. Eventually you'll start comparing them to the nazis (btw, i wouldn't do that Hitler was catholic and stalin was a seminarian in an orthodox church and that is very similar to catholicism)

And if it's christianity in general, over a million died as a result of two Christian rulers invading another country because they believed it was the right thing to do. One of them was a serious born again christion. the other was church of england, but later converted to catholicism. Bush and Blair allowed their religion to influence their decision to invade.

To the best of my knowledge, Bush and Blair did not invade in the name of their respective religions.

9/11 on the other hand......

24-12-2012 12:33PM

Birroc wrote: »

Philologos, I see you are still on the run from Nosferatu - he will find you and expose you!!

I love reading 'Philo' v 'Nossa', two of the smartest guys on this forum, heaven forfend if they ever joined forces, they would have the lot of us for breakfast.

admiralofthefleet · 24-12-2012 12:37PM

in before admiralofthefleet as his deep anti catholic views

dd972 · 24-12-2012 12:37PM

here you are OP, little xmas pressie for you

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padd b1975 · 24-12-2012 12:38PM

Biggins wrote: »

I (and many others here and beyond boards.ie I suspect) has NO problem with people of any faith which they for their own reasons, decided to hold in their hearts and minds.

As for the Roman Catholic Organisation based from Rome - just as an organisation, I find them despicable, concrete liars, far out of date, a two-faced mafia (that is one one hand saying greed/money can be evil but on the other hand, give us your money!) and from top downwards. only interested in one thing - themselves mostly in covering their asses and abusing others!
...And don't get me started on just how anti-women they are!

Ahem!.... Taliban?

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