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Civil Partnership is it really that Gay?

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  • #32
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    GoldenLight wrote: »
    Really and what is the difference?

    There are over 160 differences

    http://www.marriagequality.ie/download/pdf/briefing_document_missing_pieces.pdf

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #33
    GoldenLight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭GoldenLight


    griffdaddy wrote: »
    There are a few slight differences, mostly in the area of parenting. A same sex couple in a civil partnership can't adopt a child together, only one of the partners can. This can lead to difficulties, especially if they break up. A couple that are married can adopt the child together. There are also grey areas about how the constitution recognises the structure of the family, and it's at odds with European directives in some respects insofar as it considers a family unit to primarily be composed of opposite sex parents. If you read the ICCL/GLEN Know Your Rights handbook that was published today you'll see more comparisons.

    If you meant is there a reason why they should be treated differently, then no, of course there isn't.

    Thank you, I already knew that, and as you said it not " reason why they should be treated differently, then no, of course there isn't" but not "they" anyone that enters marriage/parntnership, try enforcing the law in relation to a heterosexual couple, in comarpision to homosexual couple


  • #34
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    GoldenLight wrote: »
    Thank you, I already knew that, and as you said it not " reason why they should be treated differently, then no, of course there isn't" but not "they" anyone that enters marriage/parntnership, try enforcing the law in relation to a heterosexual couple, in comarpision to homosexual couple

    What? I don't understand what you are trying to say?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #35
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    GoldenLight wrote: »
    Thank you, I already knew that, and as you said it not " reason why they should be treated differently, then no, of course there isn't" but not "they" anyone that enters marriage/parntnership, try enforcing the law in relation to a heterosexual couple, in comarpision to homosexual couple

    Christ, you need to relax. No one is saying anything bad about The Gays. "They" is meant to mean partnerships, not people. Take a deep breath and stop assuming everyone apart from you is a hateful bigot.


  • #36
    GoldenLight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭GoldenLight


    mango salsa wrote: »
    What? I don't understand what you are trying to say?

    That civil partnerships in the eyes of the law is that much different to civil marriage, infact they are equal, marriage is given by a church ( marriage is a scarument), the law asks you to witness this that is the civil parnership, that as a couple, a couple has, that is what is their marriage in the eyes of the law. My point, is (look at my OP) out of 4 weddings I've gone to 3 are hetrosexual, all where civil parnerships, So therefore it's not a gay thing, which the RTE stated it was.

    Basically it was a non church event, but RTE seem to want to play it as a gay thing, that's what's wrong isn't it


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  • #37
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    The Hell...........?


  • #38
    GreenWolfe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭GreenWolfe


    GoldenLight wrote: »
    That civil partnerships in the eyes of the law is that much different to civil marriage, infact they are equal, marriage is given by a church ( marriage is a scarument), the law asks you to witness this that is the civil parnership, that as a couple, a couple has, that is what is their marriage in the eyes of the law. My point, is (look at my OP) out of 4 weddings I've gone to 3 are hetrosexual, all where civil parnerships, So therefore it's not a gay thing, which the RTE stated it was.

    Basically it was a non church event, but RTE seem to want to play it as a gay thing, that's what wrong it isn't

    Once again, a civil partnership is not a civil marriage. Have you read any of the links so far?

    http://www.marriagequality.ie/getinformed/marriage/faqs.html
    Isn't marriage about religion?

    Not at all. A civil marriage is a marriage which takes place in a registry office or other non-church venue. Religious marriage is a ceremony followed by the signing of the civil marriage register, which is the legally binding part of the event. Because of religion's traditional role in sanctifying marriages and presiding over wedding ceremonies it is easy to think of marriage as a religious rite only, but this is not the case. It is vital to separate "legal marriage" in the secular, or civil sense, from "holy matrimony" in the religious, or spiritual sense.


  • #39
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,506 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Nodin wrote: »
    Civil partnerships are same sex only.

    Well that's just broad daylight discrimination, It's alright for gays to have civil partnership but straight people can't. Seriously, wft? One rule for us and one rule for them. :mad:


  • #40
    Rothmans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Rothmans


    Pretty sure this fella's takin the piss, for anyone who hasn't noticed


  • #41
    GoldenLight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭GoldenLight


    EarthlyPangaea wrote: »
    Once again, a civil partnership is not a civil marriage. Have you read any of the links so far?

    http://www.marriagequality.ie/getinformed/marriage/faqs.html


    Yep I have actually, maybe read my OP post it's not all about being gay you know that JESUS wept, I talking about RTE, is Civil Partnership note exactly the same between hetro's and gay people, if not why am I going to so many weddings done outside of the church, by the way marriage is a scarument to the catholic church, not more, nothing less. :)


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  • #42
    GoldenLight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭GoldenLight


    Infact I know what the difference is, here I state it

    a small film I made

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI2lDpkPV9o

    Part 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVPJURWv1BM

    Part 2

    So yep I know what I'm talking about, when I asked the questions I knew the difference.

    It dosen't mean you have the right to hammer my view point.

    But not one of you asked, nor did I claim.

    I just stated that every marriage stated (is a legal agreement) is consider equal in the eyes of the law, look at your consitution


  • #43
    GreenWolfe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭GreenWolfe


    GoldenLight wrote: »
    Yep I have actually, maybe read my OP post it's not all about being gay you know that JESUS wept, I talking about RTE, is Civil Partnership note exactly the same between hetro's and gay people, if not why am I going to so many weddings done outside of the church, by the way marriage is a scarument to the catholic church, not more, nothing less. :)

    Link to the RTÉ article/video please?

    Just because a marriage takes place outside a church does not mean it is a Civil Partnership. A Civil Marriage can be held in a registry office or another approved location. And again, a Civil Partnership does not provide the same rights and protections as a Civil Marriage.
    GoldenLight wrote: »
    Infact I know what the difference is, here I state it

    a small film I made

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI2lDpkPV9o

    Part 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVPJURWv1BM

    Part 2

    So yep I know what I'm talking about, when I asked the questions I knew the difference.

    It dosen't mean you have the right to hammer my view point.

    But not one of you asked, nor did I claim.

    I just stated that every marriage stated (is a legal agreement) is consider equal in the eyes of the law, look at your consitution

    I'd argue that seeing as you weren't aware of the difference between a civil marriage and a civil partnership (here), how did you make the videos?


  • #44
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    GoldenLight wrote: »
    Infact I know what the difference is, here I state it

    a small film I made

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI2lDpkPV9o

    Part 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVPJURWv1BM

    Part 2

    So yep I know what I'm talking about, when I asked the questions I knew the difference.

    It dosen't mean you have the right to hammer my view point.

    But not one of you asked, nor did I claim.

    I just stated that every marriage stated (is a legal agreement) is consider equal in the eyes of the law, look at your consitution

    I'm really struggling to understand what your point is at all in this thread is.

    If you understand the differences between civil marriage and civil partnership is why do you keep saying there is no difference?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #45
    Mr Benevolent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    mango salsa wrote: »
    I'm really struggling to understand what your point is at all in this thread is.

    If you understand the differences between civil marriage and civil partnership is why do you keep saying there is no difference?

    He's just trying to increase his Youtube hits. Admittedly, none of his questions make any sense.


  • #46
    Tope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭Tope


    GoldenLight wrote: »
    Yep I have actually, maybe read my OP post it's not all about being gay you know that JESUS wept, I talking about RTE, is Civil Partnership note exactly the same between hetro's and gay people, if not why am I going to so many weddings done outside of the church, by the way marriage is a scarument to the catholic church, not more, nothing less. :)


    Honestly Goldenlight, you don't understand the difference at all. You seem to think that your straight friends and your gay friends had the same legal ceremony, but they didn't.

    A Civil Ceremony, (i.e. a non-church marriage ceremony), is still a marriage, recognised by the state, exactly the same as a religious marriage, with all the same legal rights and benefits. Most of my friends have been married in Civil Ceremonies; they're completely as married in the eyes of the law as those who married in a church.
    A Civil Partnership however is NOT a marriage. Couples in a Civil Partnership get certain legal rights but nowhere near the same as married couples. They are NOT seen as "married" in the eyes of the state.
    Your straight friends whose Civil Ceremonies you attended are married. Unfortunately, your gay friends whose Civil Partnerships you attended are NOT married. They're not allowed to be married.

    RTE are reporting an actual real issue for homosexual couples. I think you've completely misunderstood the situation.


  • #47
    anhedonia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭anhedonia


    GoldenLight wrote: »
    Rbut what I have just pointed out, out of 4 of them 3 were opposite sex marriages, , eg Male and Female (hetrosexual)

    Thanks for that example, was struggling to visualize it.


  • #48
    wonderfulname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    GoldenLight wrote: »


    Yep I have actually, maybe read my OP post it's not all about being gay you know that JESUS wept, I talking about RTE, is Civil Partnership note exactly the same between hetro's and gay people, if not why am I going to so many weddings done outside of the church, by the way marriage is a scarument to the catholic church, not more, nothing less. :)

    I think you'll find it's the sacrament of holy matrimony that is a catholic sacrament, it's not recognised by law, the bit in a church wedding that results in a legal union is that boring paper signy bit, the state can also officiate this, which is referred to as civil marriage, which is what you saw opposite sex couples do outside of church, it has been illustrated to you how this differs to civil partnership.

    It's not difficult.


  • #49
    big_joe_joyce
    Site Banned Posts: 107 ✭✭big_joe_joyce


    Nodin wrote: »
    Both, presumably. Certainly anyone who had to sit through the rose of tralee as a child may develop an adverse reaction to women that could haunt them forever.

    are you serious , the women on the rose of tralee are too good to be true , not a shrill angry feminist in site


  • #50
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Struggling to think of the last gay character I saw on RTE...
    I'm not saying anything but yer man that does the telly bingo or the lotto or whatever it is it the spitting image of Shirley Temple Bar


  • #51
    PC CDROM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 408 ✭✭PC CDROM


    I know a gay fella against gay marriage but for civil partnerships and all that Jazz. Thinks marriage is an old skool thing that should be left as it it is under its own merits.

    Should I kill him?


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  • #52
    jd007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭jd007


    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    ah cum on guys

    I was gonna make a gay joke, butt fuck it


  • #53
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    He used to dress up as Shirley til the holey joes Objected. I hope they object to Mrs Brown


  • #54
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    pontia wrote: »
    rte and most other media outlets have big numbers of homosexuals working for them,they put their own slant on the figures

    Ah, the shadowy "they".

    Do you know what, RTE also has a huge number of heterosexuals employed. Why is this never mentioned? Why not fixate on that, instead?

    Can you link to this "slant" you mention? Thanks ever so much.


  • #55
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    old hippy wrote: »
    Ah, the shadowy "they".

    Do you know what, RTE also has a huge number of heterosexuals employed. Why is this never mentioned? Why not fixate on that, instead?

    Can you link to this "slant" you mention? Thanks ever so much.

    It's in page 572 of the homosexual agenda.

    Only last week posters on AH found a page of it where it said we were going to covertly take over AH

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #56
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    old hippy wrote: »
    Do you know what, RTE also has a huge number of heterosexuals employed. Why is this never mentioned? Why not fixate on that, instead?
    And thespians too :eek:


  • #57
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    big_joe_joyce wrote: »
    are you serious , the women on the rose of tralee are too good to be true , not a shrill angry feminist in site

    Feminism simply means working for equality between the sexes. Men can be feminists, too.


  • #58
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    PC CDROM wrote: »
    I know a gay fella against gay marriage but for civil partnerships and all that Jazz. Thinks marriage is an old skool thing that should be left as it it is under its own merits.

    Should I kill him?
    Of course he is in favour of civil partnership, its the worlds easiest tax avoidance scheme.


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