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12 weeks in Jail for offensive web posts about poor April Jones

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  • #422
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    steve9859 wrote: »
    The upset of the police was due to him being deliberately provocative, which I don't think counts as free speech....the timing of it proves that. It is not a sick joke....it is deliberate taunting. And you're blaming the police...!!!

    yes i am, they weren't impartial, they let their upset and anger cloud their judgement, also theirs going to be at least a 10 to 20 % cut in officers in the uk so they will try and do what they can to either hault the reduction or make it less of a reduction and if arresting people for saying something offensive is an option they will take it as they can say something like this.
    (with inventions such as social networking we will not be able deal with ordinary crimes as well as this if this reduction happens, social networking needs as much dedication from us as investigating murder for example)

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #423
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Allyall wrote: »
    That's what originally reminded me. That these people were offended by something he said, and then acted on it.
    FB is just a community, with, as in real life, plenty of people you don't like, watching your business. I'm not on it, nor will i ever be, My perception of it is, the people that use it, don't have general common sense.

    I think people who don't use Facebook ( for whatever reasons they care to name ) fail to realize is that you only add as friends who you wish and you also get rid of anybody who you deem to be causing offense or you just ' plain don't like ' but also having tons of friends just for the sake of numbers is daft and stupid in itself .
    but i watch the news and nearly once a fortnight without fail, something ludicrous happens on it.
    We seem to live in a news world were we are waiting for the next big human ''**** stirring '' story


    I added the book burning as an afterthought because of the stupidity of it
    I knew why you did to .


  • #424
    steve9859
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    end of the road wrote: »
    yes i am, they weren't impartial, they let their upset and anger cloud their judgement, also theirs going to be at least a 10 to 20 % cut in officers in the uk so they will try and do what they can to either hault the reduction or make it less of a reduction and if arresting people for saying something offensive is an option they will take it as they can say something like this.
    (with inventions such as social networking we will not be able deal with ordinary crimes as well as this if this reduction happens, social networking needs as much dedication from us as investigating murder for example)

    Well, I blame him, 100%. The context of this is very different to Franky Boyle making a similarly offensive joke. 8 months is harsh but he wont serve that. But I'm with the police on this one.

    As as fpr social networking, it needs boundaries set....but we ain't ever gonna agree on that, so no point going round in circles.


  • #425
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    steve9859 wrote: »
    The context of this is very different to Franky Boyle making a similarly offensive joke.

    How? What if Frankie Boyle had gone on stage in Manchester that night wearing that t shirt or telling jokes about dead pigs? 8 months jail for him?

    As as fpr social networking, it needs boundaries set....but we ain't ever gonna agree on that, so no point going round in circles.

    It does have boundaries set. You can adjust your privacy settings and there's actually quite a lot of choice. You can block people. You can make your account visible to friends only. You can organise your friends into lists and select who sees what (for example, no children can see anything I post unless I specifically allow that list to see a post). And with social media, you actually can choose your family as well as your friends. You can report spam and threatening/incitement to hatred posts (which ARE illegal) to facebook.

    Do really you think you should actually be able to monitor and choose what I post on there?


  • #426
    Allyall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    Latchy wrote: »
    I think people who don't use Facebook ( for whatever reasons they care to name ) fail to realize is that you only add as friends who you wish and you also get rid of anybody who you deem to be causing offense or you just ' plain don't like ' but also having tons of friends just for the sake of numbers is daft and stupid in itself .

    Yep, i get it, but people can still read my posts, or repost my posts. People you may add may will not have the same sense of humour as you, only some will, and that in itself could lead to misunderstandings.. I wouldn't be in a pub/Bingo Hall/Club and walk up to a guy i know barely, and proceed to tell him some story about my coat hangers, or tell him my beliefs, or whether or not i agree with abortion etc.. So why do it online?
    Latchy wrote: »
    We seem to live in a news world were we are waiting for the next big human ''**** stirring '' story

    Yeah, but i'm referring to cráp that apppears, like People's private messages on the front wall, or a girl in Netherlands inviting 23,000 people to a party. (Which has happened loads of times IIRC)

    Not slating FB, each to their own, but if you use it, you have to show some common sense.
    That applies to everyone. But no matter what you say on it, Jail should not be a possible outcome. It is sheer Madness.


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  • #427
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Allyall wrote: »
    Yep, i get it, but people can still read my posts, or repost my posts. People you may add may will not have the same sense of humour as you, only some will, and that in itself could lead to misunderstandings.. I wouldn't be in a pub/Bingo Hall/Club and walk up to a guy i know barely, and proceed to tell him some story about my coat hangers, or tell him my beliefs, or whether or not i agree with abortion etc.. So why do it online?

    why would you have a guy you barely know on your facebook?

    the only people who can read your facebook posts are the people you want reading your facebook posts. it's not rocket science

    if some friends are into more risque stuff than others, make a list and only make those posts visible to that list


  • #428
    sceptre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,607 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    It's a funny old world where being tauntingly offensive can get you a jail sentence while <insert other idiotic thing of your choice> doesn't. I get offended by blatant stupidity more than almost anything else, yet I don't want to see people put in prison for it. In any case, we'd run out of prison spaces before the weekend.

    I completely fail to see the difference between some random teenager making idiotic explicit posts on facebook and a well-known comedian saying the same thing in public or on twitter. Facebook has policies against certain things, it's their playground.


  • #429
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    steve9859 wrote: »
    I'm with the police on this one.
    really? your okay with a police force not being impartial? and using their anger and upset as an excuse to arrest people rather then a crime? if you are thats fine but most wouldn't be.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #430
    Allyall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    Helix wrote: »
    the only people who can read your facebook posts are the people you want reading your facebook posts. it's not rocket science

    But People can repost your posts..
    sceptre wrote: »
    It's a funny old world where being tauntingly offensive can get you a jail sentence while <insert other idiotic thing of your choice> doesn't. I get offended by blatant stupidity more than almost anything else, yet I don't want to see people put in prison for it. In any case, we'd run out of prison spaces before the weekend.

    Steve Hughes sums it up perfectly.. BBC removed his video from Youtube

    http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/2822


  • #431
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    It took the best part of 10 years to get Abu Hamza extradited and this guy gets jailed in the space of 10 days ? How is that possible ?

    It seems these stupid and naive posters are pressed into confessing to a vague internet crime as in a kind of plea bargain deal and on this basis are then sentenced ?

    This could not possibly happen with proper lawyers . Remember a few years ago Billy Connolly made a joke about a soldier held in captivity and constantly threatened with execution . And the following day he was excuted - cue shock outrage at Billy but only for a few days .

    It seems telling jokes in poor taste depends on who you are - plus sa change ...


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  • #432
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Allyall wrote: »
    But People can repost your posts..

    the only people who can read your posts are people you let read your post. set your privacy settings up properly and ONLY people on your friends list, or people who are on special lists for certain things, made by you, can read them

    you seem to be under the illusion that everyone can read everyone elses posts. they can't - not if you set your privacy settings up properly


  • #433
    Latchy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Allyall wrote: »
    Yep, i get it, but people can still read my posts, or repost my posts. People you may add may will not have the same sense of humour as you, only some will, and that in itself could lead to misunderstandings.. I wouldn't be in a pub/Bingo Hall/Club and walk up to a guy i know barely, and proceed to tell him some story about my coat hangers, or tell him my beliefs, or whether or not i agree with abortion etc.. So why do it online?
    Anybody posting their strong religious ,political views or their own brand of humor to the masses can expect to get a lot of attention and it wont always be of the nice kind either ....''you reap what you sow'' .

    I am sure many people have posted something on FB only to take it off or edit it ,not because they were out to intentionally offend ( sensible people don't need to ) but because they thought how they worded something ' might ' do and of course if you know somebody on FB and in real life then your banter is not going to be miscued .


    Yeah, but i'm referring to cráp that apppears, like People's private messages on the front wall,
    I think that was found to be false ,it wasn't private messages but only quote from what other people friends were posting .
    or a girl in Netherlands inviting 23,000 people to a party. (Which has happened loads of times IIRC)
    Yet people never seen to learn .
    Not slating FB, each to their own, but if you use it, you have to show some common sense.
    That applies to everyone. But no matter what you say on it, Jail should not be a possible outcome. It is sheer Madness.
    Exactly ...which is what people in the main are saying here but the idiots who don't put much or any thought into what they are posting don't have that basic common sense .


  • #434
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,225 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    The UK's director of public prosecutions today announced new guidelines which means that people making non-threatening yet offensive, obscene or just plain stupid posts online are less likely to face prosecution.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/dec/19/twitter-facebook-jokers-prosecution?INTCMP=SRCH
    The guidelines come into force on Wednesday and Starmer has drawn a clear distinction between grossly offensive, obscene or false posts and those that credibly threaten violence, harass or stalk and breach court orders such as anonymity for rape victims. He said the CPS would deal "robustly" with the latter categories of social media use which include trolling.

    Nice to see common sense prevailing...


  • #435
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Or join the Westboro Baptist Church.


  • #436
    kristopher_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭kristopher_1


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Nice to see common sense prevailing...

    Hmm, fiscal sense?


  • #437
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,225 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    kristopher_1 wrote: »
    Hmm, fiscal sense?

    Well, amongst other things I'm sure, though I doubt it was a deciding factor.

    Do you believe that people who cause offense to others should be jailed despite no other crime taking place?


  • #438
    opti0nal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭opti0nal


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Do you believe that people who cause offense to others should be jailed despite no other crime taking place?
    That would depend on whether or not causing offense to others is a crime.


  • #439
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,225 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    opti0nal wrote: »
    That would depend on whether or not causing offense to others is a crime.

    Well it isn't.. so case dismissed! :p
    The Court's supervisory functions oblige it to pay the utmost attention to the principles characterising a "democratic society". Freedom of expression constitutes one of the essential foundations of such a society, one of the basic conditions for its progress and for the development of every man. It is applicable not only to "information" or "ideas" that are favourably received or regarded as inoffensive or as a matter of indifference, but also to those that offend, shock or disturb the State or any sector of the population. Such are the demands of that pluralism, tolerance and broadmindedness without which there is no "democratic society".

    http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/eng/pages/search.aspx?i=001-57499


  • #440
    kristopher_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭kristopher_1


    My name is URL wrote:
    Do you believe that people who cause offense to others should be jailed
    despite no other crime taking place?

    I believe you may feel different if it was your daughter that was raped and murdered and someone made a joke about it.


  • #441
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,225 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    kristopher_1 wrote: »
    I believe you may feel different if it was your daughter that was raped and murdered and someone made a joke about it.

    Thank god for objectivity...?


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  • #442
    kristopher_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭kristopher_1


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Thank god or objectivity...?

    People today lack empathy.

    The mother of April Jones is going out of her mind and people want to make jokes..


  • #443
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,225 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    kristopher_1 wrote: »
    People today lack empathy.

    The mother of April Jones is going out of her mind and people want to make jokes..

    The mother of poor little Tragic April has more important things to be thinking about at this point in time than a few nobodies cracking sillies.

    Isn't it all well and good for us to be able to get so offended about all the bad stuff happening to strangers?


  • #444
    kristopher_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭kristopher_1


    Am I missing something here?

    Is this a hoax or something?


  • #445
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    No, what people are saying here is that April Jone's mother has better things to be doing with her time than scouring the internet looking for people making sick jokes about her daughter. You are getting affronted on her behalf.
    kristopher_1 wrote: »
    People today lack empathy.

    The mother of April Jones is going out of her mind and people want to make jokes..

    Ahh, you're new. Welcome to the internet! LOLcats is that way and wikipedia is straight ahead. Never, ever confuse wikipedia with sickipedia. And DON'T GO INTO THE BASEMENT, it is many levelled and dark.


  • #446
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    kristopher_1 wrote: »
    People today lack empathy.

    People have the same level of empathy as they always have, some people are assholes, and that's always been true.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #447
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    kristopher_1 wrote: »
    I believe you may feel different if it was your daughter that was raped and murdered and someone made a joke about it.

    maybe he would but that doesn't mean he'd be right


  • #448
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    kristopher_1 wrote: »
    I believe you may feel different if it was your daughter that was raped and murdered and someone made a joke about it.

    I wonder could you point me to the approved list of subjects about which it is ok to make jokes without worrying about offending someone ?


  • #449
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    RustyNut wrote: »
    I wonder could you point me to the approved list of subjects about which it is ok to make jokes without worrying about offending someone ?

    airplane peanuts


    it's a short list


  • #450
    kristopher_1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭kristopher_1


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote:
    maybe he would but that doesn't mean he'd be right

    I think it's safe to say anyone that finds a joke about a child being murdered and raped has some issues and maybe needs help.

    They should have let the mob beat the sick asshole up, that would be completely well deserved. He probably watches children being raped on the internet if he can find something like that funny.

    That's my view on the matter and if you don't like it, tough sh!t because I really couldn't give a fck what any of you think and I really mean I don't care for what you think..seriously. stick your views up your ass. :)


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  • #451
    orestes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    kristopher_1 wrote: »
    I think it's safe to say anyone that finds a joke about a child being murdered and raped has some issues and maybe needs help.

    They should have let the mob beat the sick asshole up, that would be completely well deserved. He probably watches children being raped on the internet if he can find something like that funny.

    That's my view on the matter and if you don't like it, tough sh!t because I really couldn't give a fck what any of you think and I really mean I don't care for what you think..seriously. stick your views up your ass. :)

    I don't think we're the ones that need help dude, that's some serious anger management issues right there


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