Another mass shooting in the U.S

LittleBook · 19-12-2012 03:29PM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Apparently those fcukers from the Westboro Baptist Church are planning on making their way to Connecticut to picket the school in order to "praise God's judgement". Ugh. :mad:

Are there no depths to which these crazy fúckers will not stoop?

Hopefully they'll get the same greeting as they got here:

Texas A&M Students Form Human Wall To Block Westboro Baptist Church Protestors From Soldier Roy Tisdale's Funeral

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Biggins · 19-12-2012 03:43PM

This says a lot - one of the below is illegal in America because its considered a danger towards children:
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8450/52841218551183492106110.jpg

folamh · 19-12-2012 03:53PM

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/none-of-the-5-worst-shooting-rampages-was-carried-out-by-an-american/

Relative to the rest of the world, the frequency of mass shootings in America seems proportional to its large population. These incidents get more attention because of America's buzzing media culture.

GeorgeBailey · 19-12-2012 03:56PM

paperclip2 wrote: »

In the days after my brother was killed in a road accident there was a lot of laughter in our house. Remembering the things he'd said and done. Speculating about what he would think of the goings-on and imagining his take on the things people were saying about him. At his funeral quite a few priests officiated. My sister turned to me and whispered 'Its like being at a KKK rally.' Sitting in the front pew of the church I seriously got the giggles.

It wasn't that I didn't care he was gone or that I didn't cry my eyes out when I was alone.
You cant predict grief. You cant reason with shock. When something overwhelms you so completely your mind will do its best to protect you. That includes humour. It can insulate you from the agony for a while. But it doesn't last. The pain is real and will be felt.
Those parents and families in Newtown are in agony and will be for years. I don't presume to judge how they choose or need to deal with a loss so crippling. Neither should anyone else.

Very good post. Fair play.

smurgen · 19-12-2012 03:56PM

I can understand how a handgun might be used for self defence but a semi automatic rifle? Has there ever been a case where a member of the public stopped a potential mass killer with a semi automatic rifle?I honest think that banning these semi automatic weapons from public ownership would go a long way to reduce the amount of shootings like these. Why isn't a handgun enough for Joe Blogs?

Witcher · 19-12-2012 04:05PM

smurgen wrote: »

I can understand how a handgun might be used for self defence but a semi automatic rifle? Has there ever been a case where a member of the public stopped a potential mass killer with a semi automatic rifle?I honest think that banning these semi automatic weapons from public ownership would go a long way to reduce the amount of shootings like these. Why isn't a handgun enough for Joe Blogs?

People dont carry rifles around with them in public for self defence so its unlikely anyone has ever stopped an active shooter with one.

smurgen · 19-12-2012 04:08PM

folamh wrote: »

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/none-of-the-5-worst-shooting-rampages-was-carried-out-by-an-american/

Relative to the rest of the world, the frequency of mass shootings in America seems proportional to its large population. These incidents get more attention because of America's buzzing media culture.

what a crap article. If you compare the usa gun related murder statistic to Switzerland's (the country with the highest rate of gun ownership in the world) you get 1 in 250,000 murders per capital by firearm in Switzerland in 2009 v's 7.5 in 250,000 murders per capital by firearm in the U.S.

LiamMc · 19-12-2012 04:21PM

smurgen wrote: »

what a crap article. If you compare the usa gun related murder statistic to Switzerland's (the country with the highest rate of gun ownership in the world) you get 1 in 250,000 interntional murders per capital by firearm in Switzerland in 2009 v's 7.5 in 250,000 murders per capital by firearm in the U.S.

All that proves is that the Swiss aren't very good shots.
Never were, never will be.

books4sale · 19-12-2012 04:22PM

wordsmithi wrote: »

Conspiracy theorists should read this carefully and realise that predicting how people act in awful circumstances is not really possible. May all those poor people who were murdered rest in peace.

I think the vast majority of people with a stable life including daily interaction with friends and family understand this.

The conspiracy theorist wouldn't, they live a sad pathetic lifestyle that revolves around a fantasy world of their own making helped on by the internet.

They see people as objects. Suffice to say human interaction wouldn't be top of their list. Even making it past the front door would be a challenge.

Sparks · 19-12-2012 04:25PM

LiamMc wrote: »

All that proves is that the Swiss aren't very good shots.
Never were, never will be.

And the Kenyans aren't very good long distance runners, and the French don't know how to make wine.

Biggins · 19-12-2012 04:32PM

LiamMc wrote: »

All that proves is that the Swiss aren't very good shots.
Never were, never will be.

Someone should do their homework before posting:

* http://www.swissrifles.com/shooting/

* http://shootingag.indoorswiss.ch/

* http://www.fst-ssv.ch/desktopdefault.aspx

Even for those in wheelchairs:

* http://www.spv.ch/en/what_we_do/wheelchair_sport_switzerland/shooting/

A Dub in Glasgo · 19-12-2012 04:34PM

folamh wrote: »

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/none-of-the-5-worst-shooting-rampages-was-carried-out-by-an-american/

An apologist for gun lusting

wonderfullife · 19-12-2012 04:46PM

folamh wrote: »

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/none-of-the-5-worst-shooting-rampages-was-carried-out-by-an-american/

Relative to the rest of the world, the frequency of mass shootings in America seems proportional to its large population. These incidents get more attention because of America's buzzing media culture.

smurgen wrote: »

what a crap article. If you compare the usa gun related murder statistic to Switzerland's (the country with the highest rate of gun ownership in the world) you get 1 in 250,000 interntional murders per capital by firearm in Switzerland in 2009 v's 7.5 in 250,000 murders per capital by firearm in the U.S.

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

An apologist for gun lusting

The writer, Daniel Greenfield, is a neo-right wing Islam hater. No surprise he a) loves guns b) seeks to draw attention away from Americans and c) has his head stuck up his arse.

Bruthal · 19-12-2012 04:47PM

LiamMc wrote: »

All that proves is that the Swiss aren't very good shots.

It could show the opposite.

smurgen · 19-12-2012 04:48PM

LiamMc wrote: »

All that proves is that the Swiss aren't very good shots.
Never were, never will be.

The Swiss are some of the best marksmen there are. All this proves is that you can trust the average swiss with a gun more than you can your average american. and that there's a cuture of blasting your problems away in the U.S.

smurgen · 19-12-2012 04:58PM

Blay wrote: »

People dont carry rifles around with them in public for self defence so its unlikely anyone has ever stopped an active shooter with one.

so what is the point of them?And why are people so against getting them banned?

Witcher · 19-12-2012 05:06PM

smurgen wrote: »

so what is the point of them?And why are people so against getting them banned?

People use them hunting and target shooting...I must have posted this 50 times across Boards to various posters in the last few days...people here in Ireland use them for exactly the same purposes.

People are against them because people by their nature fear that which they dont understand. People all across the world own and use s/a rifles and dont kill people. The issue in America is about more than just firearms but people largely fail to see that. As I showed on this very thread, te ban Obama will bring in will change nothing...AR15's etc will still be available with minute changes that have no effect on the function of the rifle...like Clinton before him he justs wants to be seen to be doing something to appease the ban ban ban crowd when in reality nothing will be different.

smurgen · 19-12-2012 05:17PM

Blay wrote: »

People use them hunting and target shooting...I must have posted this 50 times across Boards to various posters in the last few days...people here in Ireland use them for exactly the same purposes.

People are against them because people by their nature fear that which they dont understand. People all across the world own and use s/a rifles and dont kill people. The issue in America is about more than just firearms but people largely fail to see that. As I showed on this very thread, te ban Obama will bring in will change nothing...AR15's etc will still be available with minute changes that have no effect on the function of the rifle...like Clinton before him he justs wants to be seen to be doing something to appease the ban ban ban crowd when in reality nothing will be different.

do you not think that a full ban on semi auto's will reduce the amount of murders? Could people not use normal, non rapid fire rifles for target shooting and hunting?

Overheal · 19-12-2012 05:20PM

smurgen wrote: »

do you not think that a full ban on semi auto's will reduce the amount of murders? Could people not use normal, non rapid fire rifles for target shooting and hunting?

it might marginally reduce the body count during massacres, but in the majority of homicides its really not going to matter much. Besides the impracticality of banning semi-automatics, you could argue a revolver is a semi automatic. In fact an example of a bolt-action handgun escapes me, short of gunpowder weapons.

Witcher · 19-12-2012 05:26PM

smurgen wrote: »

do you not think that a full ban on semi auto's will reduce the amount of murders? Could people not use normal, non rapid fire rifles for target shooting and hunting?

The Swiss and Czechs have easy access to s/a firearms and I don't recall any school shootings there. Something wrong with the US when those with mental health issues see shooting 20 kids as the answer to their problems...not the only nation with mental health issues and firearms.

Some target shooting disciplines require a s/a rifle. The Gardai see a reason for them here...in a country that views firearms as the height of evil and treat you almost like a criminal when you apply for a licence. There's no mental health check here to get a licence..the very things people want to see enforced in the US arent even enforced in our own country.

hooradiation · 19-12-2012 05:30PM

Overheal wrote: »

it might marginally reduce the body count during massacres, but in the majority of homicides its really not going to matter much. Besides the impracticality of banning semi-automatics, you could argue a revolver is a semi automatic. In fact an example of a bolt-action handgun escapes me, short of gunpowder weapons.

The answer is clear, Americans are to be limited to Flintlock pistols only.

Anyone disagrees and they'll be reminded that it's just like the founding fathers and then asked why do they hate freedom.

Sparks · 19-12-2012 05:31PM

smurgen wrote: »

so what is the point of them?

In Conneticut? Target shooting competitions, mostly.

And why are people so against getting them banned?

Because "ban them" is too simple a solution to a complex problem. If you were out there now campaigning for it to be mandatory to have secure storage for any firearms you own, do you think you'd be getting as much hassle? Secure storage has been something the NRA have been recommending for decades, whether through gunsafes, cable locking systems, trigger locks or a combination of those.

But you say "hey, a mentally ill person broken thirty or forty local, state and federal laws, so you thousand people with your weekend sport that's got an accident record better than golf? And you lot who use those things to hunt varmint species to protect your fowl? Yeah, your stuff is all banned now. Go find another sport", and oddly, those people are not going to take that well.

Oddly, some of the editorial cartoons from the US have hit the nail square on the head here:

Witcher · 19-12-2012 05:33PM

hooradiation wrote: »

The answer is clear, Americans are to be limited to Flintlock pistols only.

Anyone disagrees and they'll be reminded that it's just like the founding fathers and then asked why do they hate freedom.

Can we have a serious debate about the issues in the US? Spouting on about how the FF only meant flintlocks does not help solve the problem in America right now. There's 270m+ firearms in public hands in the US...blabbing on about flintlocks won't change the culture in the US so it's irrelevant.

Sparks · 19-12-2012 05:36PM

smurgen wrote: »

do you not think that a full ban on semi auto's will reduce the amount of murders?

No, because (a) they're not the main weapon used in homicides in the US and (b) I don't think that will be addressing the root cause; and like the unfortunate events in Canada when they brought in firearms restrictions for pistols showed, changing the means someone uses doesn't mean you'll stop them reaching their end.

And remember, Connecticut's had an assault weapons ban since 1994 at state level and it did not prevent Sandy Hook. Neither did the mandatory background checks, neither did the laws that prohibited the shooter owning handguns or being given access to them.

Run_to_da_hills · 19-12-2012 05:38PM

hooradiation wrote: »

The answer is clear, Americans are to be limited to Flintlock pistols only.

Anyone disagrees and they'll be reminded that it's just like the founding fathers and then asked why do they hate freedom.

Why should the American public be restricted to just Flintlock pistols when the Government can go about ordering millions of rounds of hollow point bullets along with semi automatics.

I thought the original idea of the second amendment was for the people to be able to stand up against a corrupt Government and be able to defend themselves.

Hitler needed to disarm the Jews before he made his mass arrests and round ups.

Defenseless public = slaves.

Sparks · 19-12-2012 05:41PM

hooradiation wrote: »

The answer is clear, Americans are to be limited to Flintlock pistols only.
Anyone disagrees and they'll be reminded that it's just like the founding fathers and then asked why do they hate freedom.

Okay, let's restrict them to flintlocks only.
Now, do you know how you reload a flintlock? You pour gunpowder (or a more modern propellant) into the barrel, then some wadding, then the ball (I'm getting details wrong here, but for argument's sake, ignore that for the moment).

Now, that propellant...
How much damage do you think a crate of that, filled with nails and put in a metal box, would do if you set it off?

Or have you forgotten that some of the most devestating mass murders in US history used bombs and not guns? (Including the worst school massacre they ever suffered)

Details. Lousy fecking details, always mucking up simple ideas...

Sparks · 19-12-2012 05:45PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Hitler needed to disarm the Jews before he made his mass arrests and round ups.

Oh for pete's sake...
http://propagandaprofessor.net/2011/09/26/the-myth-of-hitlers-gun-ban/

Overheal · 19-12-2012 05:45PM

True indeed, the Trenchcoat Mafia made 'pipebomb' a new dirty word, and trying to research how to make one was tantamount to terrorism from there on.

hooradiation · 19-12-2012 05:54PM

Sparks wrote: »

Okay, let's restrict them to flintlocks only.
Now, do you know how you reload a flintlock? You pour gunpowder (or a more modern propellant) into the barrel, then some wadding, then the ball (I'm getting details wrong here, but for argument's sake, ignore that for the moment).

Now, that propellant...
How much damage do you think a crate of that, filled with nails and put in a metal box, would do if you set it off?

Or have you forgotten that some of the most devestating mass murders in US history used bombs and not guns? (Including the worst school massacre they ever suffered)

Details. Lousy fecking details, always mucking up simple ideas...

Hyperbole.
You might want to familiarise yourself with it, it's a basic concept.

kristopher_1 · 19-12-2012 06:08PM

Michael Moore agrees most shootings like the one carried out by Adam Lanza are due to prescription drugs.

In the following video, he attributes Columbine massacre to drugs prescribed for depression which the 2 shooters were taking due to bullying at their school.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04UqzYOdGNs

If you're in any doubt these drugs are extremely dangerous, try arguing with the list of cases listed on this site here

Another mass shooting in the U.S

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