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Working stupidly hard

  • 16-12-2012 10:28PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭


    Just learned a life lesson the hard way.

    If you work really hard for someone else, i.e. live to work, and do a good job, in most cases your employer couldn't actually care less. You won't get any more recognition than someone who works 9-5 doing an average job. And if you decide to work normal hours after breaking your balls for months previous they'll think less of you than the person working 9-5.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    A Corkonian feeling the world is against them? :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Pure_Cork wrote: »
    Just learned a life lesson the hard way.

    If you work really hard for someone else, i.e. live to work, and do a good job, in most cases your employer couldn't actually care less. You won't get any more recognition than someone who works 9-5 doing an average job. And if you decide to work normal hours after breaking your balls for months previous they'll think less of you than the person working 9-5.


    Quite often you just bring bother on yourself. You can be taken for granted and then when you call a halt to it you are the worst in the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Pure_Cork wrote: »
    Just learned a life lesson the hard way.
    Do you pronounce that 'Pure Cawk'? Just asking, like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    Pure_Cork wrote: »
    Just learned a life lesson the hard way.

    If you work really hard for someone else, i.e. live to work, and do a good job, in most cases your employer couldn't actually care less. You won't get any more recognition than someone who works 9-5 doing an average job. And if you decide to work normal hours after breaking your balls for months previous they'll think less of you than the person working 9-5.

    True that the more hours and harder you work, they neither care or appreciate it but im suprised to hear they care less when you finally take your foot off the pedal, most of them actually respect you more for refusing to be a slave..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Pure_Cork


    Johro wrote: »
    Do you pronounce that 'Pure Cawk'? Just asking, like.
    No, because I don't talk like Jonathan Woss.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭gg2


    Its soul destroying dude, but hey, chin up. You know this now, don't let yourself be taken for granted anymore


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭amacca


    Pure_Cork wrote: »
    Just learned a life lesson the hard way.

    If you work really hard for someone else, i.e. live to work, and do a good job, in most cases your employer couldn't actually care less. You won't get any more recognition than someone who works 9-5 doing an average job. And if you decide to work normal hours after breaking your balls for months previous they'll think less of you than the person working 9-5.

    I wish more people would acquire this wisdom a little faster and leave themselves and everyone else a little happier and healthier

    If you want to work yourself to the bone then at least do it for yourself rather than an employer who is after all more or less just using you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 346 ✭✭petersburg2002


    Life is for living not for killing yourself with work.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 166 ✭✭peterk675




    Kinda off topic, but i think OP will get the gist..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I fear there will soon be a rush of 'libertarians' banging on about work ethics and how everyone should feel obliged to wear themselves into an early grave in order to make other people rich.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    Pure_Cork wrote: »
    No, because I don't talk like Jonathan Woss.
    Plenty do.
    On subject, I work for myself, so sometimes I got to work harder, sometimes I give myself a break. Sometimes there isn't the work so I have to work extra hard for a while when I do get work to make it up. There now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    My brother worked at 9-5 job in engineering and ended up staying until 1am some nights. He was fired after six months. I took that lesson to heart.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    You can go above and beyond, work yer ass off, sacrifice your social life, family & friends. Most employers don't give a fup.

    Unfortunately, everyone is replaceable!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    People generally are motivated by self interest. A lesson everyone should realise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭Gee_G


    Yep, you're only as good as your last five minutes to most employers!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    You work for free every evening

    Your boss gets a bonus from their boss for keeping payroll down

    You get a pat on the back, they get €€€


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Change employer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,941 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    'Breaking your back' does not necessarily mean doing a good job. You'll end up burning out and missing something.

    Just stick to doing a good job 9-5. You'll still get noticed if you're good at what you do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Remmy


    Fcukin cat like boy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭BlatentCheek


    In fairness in some jobs working very hard does pay off and is appreciated, in most jobs however the opposite is the case. It's usually easy enough to tell which type of job your in


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    Maybe you should become an entrepreneur and get some other douchebag to bust his bawlz for you instead then.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,197 ✭✭✭daenerysstormborn3


    I worked in one job where I went above and beyond what was required of me. I was always rewarded and my immediate boss was an absolute pleasure to work with. I was made redundant. I was picked above idiots in the same department, who did SFA, because I was the last one in. I loved that job and will probably never have a job like that again. I will certainly never work that hard again.

    Right now I work for a woman that the entire South East legal community despise. Her time management is appalling. She expects you to go above and beyond every single day for no thanks, no rewards and you can readily expect a bollocking anytime she forgets something due to her appalling time management. She regularly says she has told you something or asked you to do something only to change her mind (your fault of course) and it'll be your own fault you wasted time doing the original task. Or, even worse, she'll say she asked you to do something when no such conversation occurred, just to cover her own arse.

    She acts indignant when I leave on time and I get the cold shoulder the following morning when I do leave on time. We have a running joke in the office that you're on the "bold step" because we all feel like we're in primary school lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Aciiiiiiiiiiid


    In fairness in some jobs working very hard does pay off and is appreciated, in most jobs however the opposite is the case. It's usually easy enough to tell which type of job your in
    I think putting in extra hours gets noticed more in smaller companies, especially when the owners/directors are lurking around. Doing free overtime in big corporate multinationals is for the birds though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,197 ✭✭✭daenerysstormborn3


    I think putting in extra hours gets noticed more in smaller companies, especially when the owners/directors are lurking around. Doing free overtime in big corporate multinationals is for the birds though.

    It's funny because it was actually the large law firm (600+ staff at the time I worked there) where I was compensated for overtime and always well looked after (bonuses, birthday presents, leave whenever I needed it), although in the end, I was made redundant.

    The office I work in now has 8 staff and is owned by a married couple and they couldn't care less about compensating their staff. If I want a day off I have to give at least one month's notice and even then it's a struggle to get a straight answer. If I work late I don't get paid overtime, I get time in lieu but it takes months to get this time back. I actually found out recently through another member of staff, that my boss was trying to do me out of 2 days in lieu that I was owed for working late. This member of staff raised the fact that I was owed x amount of days and my boss said oh well she thinks she's only owed y amount of days so don't tell her *wink wink*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,245 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I learned a similar lesson some years ago: you don't want to become indispensable. If there's something that only you can do - whatever it is - you're on the hook whenever it needs to be done. I resigned from a job because it was wearing me out, and the stress was doing weird things to me - and I haven't regretted it.

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Remmy


    Slightly off topic but I read a shed load of rags to riches entrepreneur books. The majority of these guys started off busting their arse for someone else and putting in crazy long hours for a few years to then have a high up management position before going off and doing something off their own back. Just how realistic is this? I am just out of college and I have very little "real world experience". There are a load of boardsies with more life experience than me so I'd be interested in hearing their take on it. Threads like this shows me how little I know about the working world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭amacca


    I worked in one job where I went above and beyond what was required of me. I was always rewarded and my immediate boss was an absolute pleasure to work with. I was made redundant. I was picked above idiots in the same department, who did SFA, because I was the last one in. I loved that job and will probably never have a job like that again. I will certainly never work that hard again.

    Right now I work for a woman that the entire South East legal community despise. Her time management is appalling. She expects you to go above and beyond every single day for no thanks, no rewards and you can readily expect a bollocking anytime she forgets something due to her appalling time management. She regularly says she has told you something or asked you to do something only to change her mind (your fault of course) and it'll be your own fault you wasted time doing the original task. Or, even worse, she'll say she asked you to do something when no such conversation occurred, just to cover her own arse.

    She acts indignant when I leave on time and I get the cold shoulder the following morning when I do leave on time. We have a running joke in the office that you're on the "bold step" because we all feel like we're in primary school lol.

    I worked for a gigantic gobsh1te similar to that once..........I found I had to train him to be a "normal" human being

    the best tool I had at my disposal to do that at the time was email....if I was given an instruction which I suspected would be forgotten about and then denied I started the task and a bit in I would send a nice polite email (in the office - he was only about 3/4 desks away) just confirming I was doing the thing he asked me to do etc...

    likewise if I suspected I would be blamed for not doing the thing he did tell me to do I would send an email asking him to confirm if I should do x,y, z task

    he treated other people the same way, blaming them for his own fcuk ups but after a couple of times of me reminding the bolox he had replied to the email/given me the go ahead/told me to do something or indeed not replied when asked to confirm he stopped communicating with me in front of colleagues as he was losing face and started to be very careful and clear in his directions and instructions which were now emailed to me

    my workload reduced dramatically as he actually had to think through the instructions he was giving or not giving, my office became a pleasant place to work in and a couple of months after that I got a promotion presumably so he could go back to being a gobsh1te in peace

    the one thing I took from that is a written record of instructions given so you cant be blamed keeps you sane, keeps management on their toes and is invaluable if you can finagle a way to get it going without being confrontational (I very slowly worked my way into this system more to keep myself sane than anything and I was never insulting/snappish etc - it was always couched in almost sub-sub servient terms but still achieved a medium term objective of transferring blame for stupid decisions where they belonged with the actual decision maker......it was actually good for him in a way as he had to think about what he did and the possible consequences for himself with no-one else to blame - something he would have had to face sooner or later anyway)

    + this is only a tool for managing bullies/morons who don't really want to be in their jobs themselves you very rarely have to resort to anything like this with truly intelligent people as they are capable of organisation/planning etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Remember those lads and indeed ladies who were bullies in school?

    They haven't changed.
    Now they are team leaders and assistant managers and they'll walk all over you if you let them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,197 ✭✭✭daenerysstormborn3


    amacca wrote: »
    I worked for a gigantic gobsh1te similar to that once..........I found I had to train him to be a "normal" human being

    the best tool I had at my disposal to do that at the time was email....if I was given an instruction which I suspected would be forgotten about and then denied I started the task and a bit in I would send a nice polite email (in the office - he was only about 3/4 desks away) just confirming I was doing the thing he asked me to do etc...

    likewise if I suspected I would be blamed for not doing the thing he did tell me to do I would send an email asking him to confirm if I should do x,y, z task

    he treated other people the same way, blaming them for his own fcuk ups but after a couple of times of me reminding the bolox he had replied to the email/given me the go ahead/told me to do something or indeed not replied when asked to confirm he stopped communicating with me in front of colleagues as he was losing face and started to be very careful and clear in his directions and instructions which were now emailed to me

    my workload reduced dramatically, my office became a pleasant place to work in and a couple of months after that I got a promotion presumably so he could go back to being a gobsh1te in peace

    the one thing I took from that is a written record of instructions given so you cant be blamed keeps you sane, keeps management on their toes and is invaluable if you can finagle a way to get it going

    Everything I do for her is put in a memo and I'm still told "you picked that up wrong" or her favourite line in the world "we had a miscommunication".

    It's sad because there are only 8 of us in the office and anytime any of us are communicating with her it is either by memo or e-mail so we have written proof but we all still get told that whatever we did is wrong.

    The woman is a crazy person. She is also the principal fee earner and there is nobody above her so if there's a problem there's nowhere to go.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭Eden3


    If you don't perform, you'll lose your job. We all have to stay "late" sometimes, but most bosses know they have to make it worth your while now and again! If they don't, you don't - simple!


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