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Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭gnfnrhead


    batistuta9 wrote: »
    It's surprising your sticking up for the team in a way but...

    Mertesacker - isn't a guaranteed first choice
    Koscielny - isn't first choice
    Santos - hasn't even been in a Brazil squad for nearly 18 months
    Podolski - not necessary first choice anymore, he's came on as sub in Germany's 4 qualifying games so far
    Giroud - isn't first choice
    walcott - probably starts more often than not, but he's not a nailed on starter

    Apart from Ireland, most International teams don't really have a guaranteed first 11. Six or seven would be guaranteed but the rest do be up for grabs. I'd say the match day squad is a better indicator for International arguments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    gnfnrhead wrote: »
    They are probably the only three I'd take but don't think we need Agger right now while Suarez would not be short of offers if he were to be leaving, pretty much ruling us out.

    I don't watch Liverpool on a weekly basis but Lucas always seems to do well whenever I do watch. One of their better players and in a position we could do with someone in. Vermaelen often seems to be trying to play DM and CB at the same time and it rarely, if ever, works out. Having a proper DM to sit in front of the back four like Gilberto did would be a big plus in my book. Offers an extra layer of protection and allows Wilshere and Cazorla (or whoever is playing on the day) to focus on creating chances. Right now, the midfield trio seem to swap around a lot and too often don't seem to know what they are supposed to be doing so end up doing nothing productive.

    I'd much rather Lucas over this Lampard talk that keeps popping up anyway.

    Definitely agree with you about the defensive midfielder but i really just don't like Lucas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,631 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    There's an element of Ba perhaps having found his level, or at least the level willing to take a risk on him.

    Don't think he's found his level at all, it's most likely the knee stopping him

    but there's stories of him supposedly being able to get a large bit of the buyout fee (~2/2.5mil of it) so you might be able to work something out in a contract for him

    He'll be found out over the rest of the season for what he is on the pitch.

    We'll see where he ends up, he'd be a good signing for Arsenal, Man U or even Chelsea
    So we're settling for 4th again?

    I said they could do a job, would you rather Djourou/Squilacci on the bench/possibly starting than Hangeland, seriously?

    Ruiz - he'd offer more in a wide position than Ramsey & arguably more than the other's used there as well

    Let's not kid ourselfs here, do you really think Arsenal are going to be going out spending a large amount of money on a world class player(s), i can't see it, especially in January when it's supposedly harder to get them. it'll be a few signed at the usually spending bracket, 10-15mil knowing Arsenal - hopefully i'm wrong



    You've yet to suggest who you'd think should be signed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭gnfnrhead


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Definitely agree with you about the defensive midfielder but i really just don't like Lucas.

    Fair enough.

    I was thinking Lucas because he has proven himself at the same level, in probably a worse team, and most importantly for Arsenal wouldnt cost a fortune. Quality DM's are few and far between, even rarer is someone who wouldnt need a settling in period. At least not one of more than a couple of weeks to get used to his new team mates which everyone needs.

    Probably wont happen anyway :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭Drexel


    gnfnrhead wrote: »

    Fair enough.

    I was thinking Lucas because he has proven himself at the same level, in probably a worse team, and most importantly for Arsenal wouldnt cost a fortune. Quality DM's are few and far between, even rarer is someone who wouldnt need a settling in period. At least not one of more than a couple of weeks to get used to his new team mates which everyone needs.

    Probably wont happen anyway :pac:

    Is he a bit injury prone? Last thing we need


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭gnfnrhead


    jonny666 wrote: »
    Is he a bit injury prone? Last thing we need

    He was injured for a while alright (missed most of last season) but I don't think he is injury prone. At least not any more than your average player. The two years before his injury he missed a combined eight league games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭Drexel


    gnfnrhead wrote: »

    He was injured for a while alright (missed most of last season) but I don't think he is injury prone. At least not any more than your average player. The two years before his injury he missed a combined eight league games.

    He has been out a lot this season too I think but 8 games in two years is ok I suppose. I hope to god we sign someone like him if not him. I wasn't too fussed about losing song but we are missing him this season. For his assists and defensive work


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,478 ✭✭✭✭gnfnrhead


    jonny666 wrote: »
    He has been out a lot this season too I think but 8 games in two years is ok I suppose. I hope to god we sign someone like him if not him. I wasn't too fussed about losing song but we are missing him this season. For his assists and defensive work

    Wiki says he came back two months early and as such ended up getting injured again. He's not back long which is why he's only played a handful of games. I reckon had he not come back early he'd have been fine.

    Didnt want to lose Song myself but we got stupid money for him. Had it been used to replace him he wouldnt even be remembered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,629 ✭✭✭wonga77


    How as Song being doing since he left? getting any game time? I havent really been following the Spanish footy this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Definitely agree with you about the defensive midfielder but i really just don't like Lucas.

    Your personal dislike aside, he is more than good enough to walk into the Arsenal team. Wouldn't happen though it would be a sideways move.


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  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    batistuta9 wrote: »
    Don't think he's found his level at all, it's most likely the knee stopping him
    I mentioned it.
    but there's stories of him supposedly being able to get a large bit of the buyout fee (~2/2.5mil of it) so you might be able to work something out in a contract for him
    And 18 months later we'd be annoyed at him for getting ready to leave like he always does.
    I said they could do a job, would you rather Djourou/Squilacci on the bench/possibly starting than Hangeland, seriously?
    Djourou on paper is fine. I just don't see why one of our priorities should be signing a CB to be 4th in the pecking order.
    Ruiz - he'd offer more in a wide position than Ramsey & arguably more than the other's used there as well
    Cazorla, Rosicky, Santos, Gervinho, Arshavin, Walcott all offer more than Ramsey on the wing.
    Let's not kid ourselfs here, do you really think Arsenal are going to be going out spending a large amount of money on a world class player(s), i can't see it, especially in January when it's supposedly harder to get them. it'll be a few signed at the usually spending bracket, 10-15mil knowing Arsenal - hopefully i'm wrong
    What's the ****ing point then? Let's settle back into mediocrity.
    You've yet to suggest who you'd think should be signed?
    I'm not full of ideas but players who look good in mid-table teams aren't usually the answer. Berbatov would've been a smart short-term signing last summer. Again, on paper we look fine and are performing far below where we should because of players being out of position, a complete lack of a DM and no finishers up front. I haven't got to have the right answers to reject certain players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Sideways indeed.

    guaranteed starter for a bottom table team or bench warmer and capital 1 cup starter for a champion league side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Sideways indeed.

    guaranteed starter for a bottom table team or bench warmer and capital 1 cup starter for a champion league side.

    :rolleyes: Keep trying Orange, Keep trying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    :rolleyes: Keep trying Orange, Keep trying.

    Keep trying what? Youre the one talking nonsense of arsenal all day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    Your personal dislike aside, he is more than good enough to walk into the Arsenal team. Wouldn't happen though it would be a sideways move.

    Like his passes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,631 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    Djourou on paper is fine. I just don't see why one of our priorities should be signing a CB to be 4th in the pecking order.

    the whole fúcking first team is fine on paper - but what's happened on the pitch

    he'd push the 3 CB harder for a starting spot, you need a good squad not just a good 11
    Cazorla, Rosicky, Santos, Gervinho, Arshavin, Walcott all offer more than Ramsey on the wing.

    Why does ramsey play so often there then?

    and i said arguably more than the others as well - most of which you mentioned - Arshavin, Gervinho (who i don't actually mind as much as others do), Santos

    Rosicky's better in the middle,

    Walcott's looking like a goner, i though he'd stay, as they'd meet in the middle, he's just holding out for the best deal, but i'm getting less sure of it now

    What's the ****ing point then? Let's settle back into mediocrity.

    what do you mean what's the point then?

    I can't make Arsenal/Wenger spend money fss. No one can, whatever the black scarf like to think

    If you want them to notice every season ticket holder would have to not renew their ticket, no one else take it, the stadium be empty & people who have to stop buying the merchandise - never going to happen on large enough scale to make them really notice, a small number and you'll get some BS press release from Gazidas so as it looks as if they care

    based on what's being signed over the last no. of years - i can't see it changing - Arsenal have had millions supposedly to spend for a number of transfer windows yet it doesn't get spent, it looks as if it's BS being spooned out by the board

    Vertongen said the last day Arsenal wanted him for DM but didn't want to come because of it, he could've been used a CB too.
    Javi Martinez was available could've been used for the same thing, but was he even bid for? Not afaik, Millions to spend my ass

    I'm not full of ideas but players who look good in mid-table teams aren't usually the answer. Berbatov would've been a smart short-term signing last summer. Again, on paper we look fine and are performing far below where we should because of players being out of position, a complete lack of a DM and no finishers up front. I haven't got to have the right answers to reject certain players.

    no finishers & you wouldn't take Ba, no DM & you wouldn't take Tiote :pac:


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    batistuta9 wrote: »
    what do you mean what's the point then?
    If the reply to wanting to sign top-class players is "Sure we won't spend the money anyway" then what's the point in discussing it? Let's just accept that we're going to sign mediocre players and hover around 4th. Why bother getting wound up?
    no finishers & you wouldn't take Ba, no DM & you wouldn't take Tiote :pac:
    A finisher who won't **** off after 18 months and a DM who has more about him than kicking people are what we should be after.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,631 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    If the reply to wanting to sign top-class players is "Sure we won't spend the money anyway" then what's the point in discussing it? Let's just accept that we're going to sign mediocre players and hover around 4th. Why bother getting wound up?

    I'm not getting wound up but you've got to have a sense of realism

    We could talk about banging Sofia Vergara but sooner or later we'll have to realise we probably won't

    i gave players who Arsenal could realistically sign, decent players, you think they're not good enough & want to sign players you think are better, yet you can't even mention names


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,446 ✭✭✭sonic85


    what about stephane mbia? was good for marseille and is versatile which wenger likes. played a load of times for cameroon too. should be fairly cheap


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden




    A finisher who won't **** off after 18 months and a DM who has more about him than kicking people are what we should be after.

    Completely agree with this. Dont want a Tiote, M'Vila would have been perfect but he has dropped off completely. Diame from West Ham looks the best option. Huntelaar and Llorente are too similar to Giroud need a speedy forward with a good eye for goal. Dont say Theo!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    Raf32 wrote: »
    Completely agree with this. Dont want a Tiote, M'Vila would have been perfect but he has dropped off completely. Diame from West Ham looks the best option. Huntelaar and Llorente are too similar to Giroud need a speedy forward with a good eye for goal. Dont say Theo!

    M'Vila stock has fallen so much that he can probably be got for less than half of what was proposed in the Summer.

    He's banned from playing for France for a couple of years too so no chance of getting injured then. I've always thought he would be perfect for the Arsenal midfield and if Arsene thinks he can get his off the field behaviour into line then heh'd still be good fit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom



    And another from Patrick Collins

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2248752/Patrick-Collins-The-anti-Wenger-mob-careful-wish-for.html

    Who would have thought that the Daily Mail would be so vigorous in his defence.

    i must admit after the Bradford game I posted that I thought his time was up. As time has gone on though since that awful nadir I found myself agreeing with the declining pro-Wenger brigade and disagreeing with the Wenger outs. i think the 7 year without a trophy is a very weak argument as I don't think he could have done any better (in the league anyway we should have picked up a cup or 2 in that time frame). This is the first season the team is playing below its par level. He can still turn this season around and should get the opportunity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,629 ✭✭✭wonga77


    Much as I disliked Neville as a player, he is an excellent pundit and calls it as it is, i hope over time he doesnt mould into the same predictable nonsense we hear every week from the other pundits


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    When appraising individual players it's worth noting what Arsenal have

    Polish Goalkeeper
    French RB---German CB---French/Belgian CB----Brazilian LB/Gibbs
    Arteta---Cazorla----English MF
    German winger
    French striker
    English winger

    Arteta and Cazorla are the only players not first choice for their country, being kept out by a few of the best players ever. On paper our players are of a high enough standard to be doing a lot better than they are.

    When I look at the international pedigree in our squad (don't forget Rosicky and Arshavin warming the bench) it makes makes me wonder if any amount of new signings can fix our team. On paper our team should be trouncing the likes of West Brom, Norwich, Stoke, Swansea week in, week out, but instead we constantly struggle.
    I think it must be a mentallity thing. The players have the ability, but not the cahonies. They know they're a top 4 team at best aand cannot build on that as any outstanding players will inevitably leave before the team can achieve anything significant. The team's morale is shattered.


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,707 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Really good read from Neville. I'm sure the irony of The Daily Mail printing it isn't lost on him either!


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Galvasean wrote: »
    When I look at the international pedigree in our squad (don't forget Rosicky and Arshavin warming the bench) it makes makes me wonder if any amount of new signings can fix our team. On paper our team should be trouncing the likes of West Brom, Norwich, Stoke, Swansea week in, week out, but instead we constantly struggle.
    I think it must be a mentallity thing. The players have the ability, but not the cahonies. They know they're a top 4 team at best aand cannot build on that as any outstanding players will inevitably leave before the team can achieve anything significant. The team's morale is shattered.

    That's what kinda worries me. Wenger used to sign nobodies, get loads out of them for a few years and they'd move on and do nothing. Now we seem to sign just below top class players and seem to get very little out of them.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    Galvasean wrote: »
    When I look at the international pedigree in our squad (don't forget Rosicky and Arshavin warming the bench) it makes makes me wonder if any amount of new signings can fix our team. On paper our team should be trouncing the likes of West Brom, Norwich, Stoke, Swansea week in, week out, but instead we constantly struggle.
    I think it must be a mentallity thing. The players have the ability, but not the cahonies. They know they're a top 4 team at best aand cannot build on that as any outstanding players will inevitably leave before the team can achieve anything significant. The team's morale is shattered.

    This is one thing that I would agree with and often I wonder why Arsenal fans arent more fixated on a DM signing. Call it what you will but a strong mentality, balls, steel etc seems to be the one thing lacking with regards Arsenal and perhaps the addition of such a signing would allow the others do what they are good at and stop sides from working through you at the same time. I find it odd when players like Tiote or even Lucas's abilities or worth as signings are played down as I think they are exactly the type of player Arsenal might need.

    Honestly I dont think Giroud has done badly at all, I mean he isnt RVP but who is and with only one spot up front and Podolski perhaps better suited to playing this role I wouldnt put a CF ahead as a priority. Having said that someone like Huntelaar or Llorente on a bosman/cheap fee would be too hard to pass up imo.

    I may be wrong but another player that I think is on a short contract and has even been linked to Newcastle recently (along with I think Juve or maybe one of the Milan sides) that Arsenal could be looking at would be Moussa Sissoko. Seems a quality player imo and im sure being French would probably (assumption i know) make him more eager to play for Wenger & perhaps easier to settle. On that I guess M'Vila could be mentioned who was originally the man pencilled in to replace Song it would seem if not for his attitude issues reportidly. Now available at a more knock down fee perhaps Wenger would be willing to gamble thinking he could bring much needed strenght to his Arsenal side.

    On the wings Walcott needs to be replaced if he isnt going to resign and tbh that does not seem too likely. I'd fear Zaha would be signed, not that he would be bad but it would just be a bit annoying for Arsenal fans to develop a talent like Walcott who then leaves just to essentially start all over again. A more established player already would be better esp if Walcott is sold in January to avoid a Bosman. I'm sure there would be far more names that culd be mentioned for this role but Ruiz who was mentioned before would fit the bill imo.

    *LB could also be an issue but I think Wenger will stick by Gibbs as his first choice unless he has another serious injury.

    The Odd thing is it wouldnt actually take a mad amount of cash or even breaking the wage structure to recruit the players mentioned but major reconstruction may not be needed if the players available are played to their strengths. Resign Sagne, get M'Villa/Tiote/Sissoko plus someone like Huntelaar & Ruiz would not break (especially if you could get even 1 or 2 of the catalogue of deadwood off your books in January & get any money for Walcott) the bank but would prove Arsenal could be proactive aswell as reactionary in terms of the transfer market and their ambition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭Drexel


    A win tomorrow and we are up to fifth. Crisis....pift :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭emergingstar


    Wilshere close to agreeing a new contract worth 80grand a week

    So that's Gibbs Jenks ox and wilshere signed, along with kos and verm at the start of the season

    Seems if both parties wanna get a deal done it gets done fairly quickly


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