Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

sonic85 · 14-12-2012 11:05PM

jmayo wrote: »

I think people need to realise Arsenal is no longer at the top table from the point of view of spending power.
And I know the club is highly financially rated but that means nothing when you win nothing and don't pay rates that the competitors pay.

Arsenal's stature is now that of a club that guarantees nothing much more than perennial champions league football (and yes i know that is major achievement in itself) and the ultimate sale of their best players.
It is no longer the biggest club in London. it is no longer a club that wins or even challenges for trophies.

Arsenal is now a club that buys some possibly useful players, plays them for a few years improving their craft and then once they are proven we can watch the boys with the big bucks, who are the real challengers, step in and take them.

this sums up arsenal as a club now. talk of spending 100m is pie in the sky stuff really - whats our record signing 15 or 16 mill? never happen.

didnt we make an approach for mario goetze last year? i heard a figure of 30m being tossed about - hes worth more now so thats definitely out the window.

henry will come in and probably zaha from palace

wandatowell · 14-12-2012 11:07PM

DenMan wrote: »

70 million being honest probably equals transfer fees, agent fees and players wages for the duration of their contracts

Is this standard affair for other football clubs do we know???

Mr.Micro · 14-12-2012 11:09PM

Sergio wrote: »

Couldnt agree with you more. Its not just the lack of spending power at the club that bothers me but the whole attitude and mentality of the people that run AFC is very worrying in my opinion. I dont have any confidence in the Club as a whole at the moment and everyone involved there.

Agree, no amount of money is going to solve the malaise at the club IMO. It needs new mojo as Wenger has had his day and freshness and vitality is needed to go forward to get rid of the staleness and malaise. Roll on next season,

15-12-2012 12:27AM

jmayo wrote: »

Ehh there is a place called Everton and afaik that was where they started.

Wikipedia says they never played there.

jonneymendoza · 15-12-2012 12:34AM

offer 60m for Falcoe!!

sell walcott for 15m to chelsea plus chamack and gevinho for say 8m each totaly at a profit of 3 players gone equal to around 31m and use 20m to buy a DM,

done. 60 + 20m = 80m transfer and 31m = sales making us only using up to 49m out of that 70m we have to play with.

dvemail · 15-12-2012 12:45AM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

offer 60m for Falcoe!!

sell walcott for 15m to chelsea plus chamack and gevinho for say 8m each totaly at a profit of 3 players gone equal to around 31m and use 20m to buy a DM,

done. 60 + 20m = 80m transfer and 31m = sales making us only using up to 49m out of that 70m we have to play with.

gnfnrhead · 15-12-2012 01:06AM

Who the hell is going to pay £8m for Gervinho and Chamakh combined, let alone each?

As for Falcao, Chelsea are seemingly offering him £200,000 per week.

batistuta9 · 15-12-2012 02:18AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Everton aren't from Everton are they?

they were founded in Everton & named after the area

greendom wrote: »

you can find Arsenal on a map of the Underground

doesn't count, that station is named after the club

& that's another interesting/stupid fact; Arsenal are the first & only - i think - english club to have a station named after them

gnfnrhead wrote: »

http://goo.gl/maps/nYY3f

:pac: This doesn't count either, they weren't named after that road. I've worded the question wrong it should be named after a geographical area (still mightn't be worded the best)

extra gravy · 15-12-2012 02:28AM

batistuta9 wrote: »

they were founded in Everton & named after the area

doesn't count, that station is named after the club

& that's another interesting/stupid fact; Arsenal are the first & only - i think - english club to have a station named after them

:pac: This doesn't count either, they weren't named after that road. I've worded the question wrong it should be named after a geographical area (still mightn't be worded the best)

Re: the station name, pretty sure it was Herbert Chapman that persuaded the local council to rename it Arsenal. His legacy continues to live on!

batistuta9 · 15-12-2012 02:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

For a team 14th in the league, why aren't we targeting some Fulham players? Ba won't settle and apparently is a timebomb injury-wise. Tiote is a thug.

They're better players in their position than Arsenal have

& what does league position have do with it?

should no one sign Zaha because he plays in the 2nd division, I suppose swansea shouldn't have signed Michu because Rayo finished 15th in La Liga last season, AC Milan had an bad start to the season, if they stayed there, would you think someone like El Shaarawy shouldn't be signed bcause of his teams league position :pac::pac::pac:

Ba's got 10 goals in the league ffs, 33 goals in 62 league apps. in England. I don't know if he's a timebomb, but i've heard he'll not pass a medical, still though he's better than what's at Arsenal now

Tiote, i couldn't care if he's a child molester, he'll improve the team & that's all that matters, years Arsenal are said to be soft touches, now people are complaining if someone with a bit of steal would be signed - designer fan attitude

speaking of Fulham players Bryan Ruiz & Hangeland could do a job at Arsenal - good shout

batistuta9 · 15-12-2012 02:42AM

extra gravy wrote: »

Re: the station name, pretty sure it was Herbert Chapman that persuaded the local council to rename it Arsenal. His legacy continues to live on!

yeah i think it was

jonneymendoza · 15-12-2012 10:48AM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Who the hell is going to pay £8m for Gervinho and Chamakh combined, let alone each?

As for Falcao, Chelsea are seemingly offering him £200,000 per week.

anyone will. 8m is cheap for each player in this current transfer climate.

We can also offer Falcoa 200k a week as we have something like 31m unused money to spend on wages for falcoa and the new DM.

all i am saying is that if we indeed have 70m to spend on player transfers wages and signing on fee, thats more then enough to get a player like falcoa and a DM whilst getting rid of 3 players.

2 world class players for the price of 3 + 50m+ of that 70m we are allowed to use.
hope taht makes sense

wonga77 · 15-12-2012 10:50AM

We'll have to offer somebody 8 million just to take Gervinho

greendom · 15-12-2012 10:58AM

batistuta9 wrote: »

yeah i think it was

yes it used to be called Gillespie Road. How many clubs have had place names named after them ?

bad2dabone · 15-12-2012 11:26AM

There's serious talk of Strootman, who's a very good player for PSV and could be a missing link for us in midfield. But we desperately need a striker! and to change the formation which doesn't work. And to STOP playing gervinho up front - he's a passable winger but ****e through the centre. And to stop putting ramsey out wide. And to rotate the midfield more often. and to sort Verm's form or ship him out. And to get rid of all the dead wood off the wage bill. And to put Podolski up front every now and then.

Lots of work to do.

15-12-2012 11:45AM

Gervinho really does get bashed on here...

From a tactical standpoint I'd much much much rather have Gervinho as our left winger as he actually plays the position properly, unlike Podolski who doesn't stretch the defence, doesn't track back and 90% of the time he gets the ball he passes it back to the centre mids or LB. When Gervinho plays on the left, we look more dangerous. Podolski really does very little except chip in a goal every every 3 games.

dvemail · 15-12-2012 11:49AM

AdamD wrote: »

Gervinho really does get bashed on here...

From a tactical standpoint I'd much much much rather have Gervinho as our left winger as he actually plays the position properly, unlike Podolski who doesn't stretch the defence, doesn't track back and 90% of the time he gets the ball he passes it back to the centre mids or LB. When Gervinho plays on the left, we look more dangerous. Podolski really does very little except chip in a goal every every 3 games.

Exactly, he was bought as a winger, he should be played as a winger. He is not a striker, while Podolski is. The solution is pretty clear, but Wenger seems stuck in his ways.

batistuta9 · 15-12-2012 12:13PM

greendom wrote: »

yes it used to be called Gillespie Road. How many clubs have had place names named after them ?

English or where?

greendom · 15-12-2012 12:16PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

English or where?

Rhetorical really. But if you have any suggestions, feel free

batistuta9 · 15-12-2012 12:26PM

Oh right, it's a bit early for them :pac:

& no, i couldn't be bothered

Barlett · 15-12-2012 12:40PM

Arsenal began life as Dial Square in South London then changed their name to Woolwich Arsenal as most of the team worked in that factory, then they moved North and dropped Woolwich from the name. Herbert Chapman convinced the council to change the underground station name to Arsenal which actually had quite a positive impact on the club.

wandatowell · 15-12-2012 02:34PM

Really wanna see Podolski played as a striker,

nothing to be lost trying it out as gervinho is a donkey

15-12-2012 02:35PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

They're better players in their position than Arsenal have

& what does league position have do with it?

should no one sign Zaha because he plays in the 2nd division, I suppose swansea shouldn't have signed Michu because Rayo finished 15th in La Liga last season, AC Milan had an bad start to the season, if they stayed there, would you think someone like El Shaarawy shouldn't be signed bcause of his teams league position :pac::pac::pac:

There's an element of Ba perhaps having found his level, or at least the level willing to take a risk on him.

Ba's got 10 goals in the league ffs, 33 goals in 62 league apps. in England. I don't know if he's a timebomb, but i've heard he'll not pass a medical, still though he's better than what's at Arsenal now

Kevin Phillips scored 44 in his first 70 PL appearances.

Tiote, i couldn't care if he's a child molester, he'll improve the team & that's all that matters, years Arsenal are said to be soft touches, now people are complaining if someone with a bit of steal would be signed - designer fan attitude

He'll be found out over the rest of the season for what he is on the pitch.

speaking of Fulham players Bryan Ruiz & Hangeland could do a job at Arsenal - good shout

So we're settling for 4th again?

15-12-2012 02:41PM

When appraising individual players it's worth noting what Arsenal have

Polish Goalkeeper
French RB---German CB---French/Belgian CB----Brazilian LB/Gibbs

Arteta---Cazorla----English MF
German winger

French striker

English winger

Arteta and Cazorla are the only players not first choice for their country, being kept out by a few of the best players ever. On paper our players are of a high enough standard to be doing a lot better than they are.

greendom · 15-12-2012 02:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

When appraising individual players it's worth noting what Arsenal have
Polish Goalkeeper
French RB---German CB---French/Belgian CB----Brazilian LB/Gibbs
Arteta---Cazorla----English MF
German winger
French striker
English winger

Arteta and Cazorla are the only players not first choice for their country, being kept out by a few of the best players ever. On paper our players are of a high enough standard to be doing a lot better than they are.

Whatever about how poor we've been this season, the team Wenger put out to play on Tuesday should have beaten Bradford very comfortably. They didn't and its the players who have to take the lion's share of the blame

Drexel · 15-12-2012 05:14PM

Could be a very good weekend for arsenal if we win!

gnfnrhead · 15-12-2012 07:21PM

Assuming we can get a top four finish again this year, what would people think of trying to get Lucas from Liverpool?

Oranage2 · 15-12-2012 07:26PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Assuming we can get a top four finish again this year, what would people think of trying to get Lucas from Liverpool?

Id be very much against it, i think he's average at best.

Agger is the only pool player id say would get into our team, suarez too but not really a player id like to have in the ranks.

batistuta9 · 15-12-2012 07:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

When appraising individual players it's worth noting what Arsenal have
Polish Goalkeeper
French RB---German CB---French/Belgian CB----Brazilian LB/Gibbs
Arteta---Cazorla----English MF
German winger
French striker
English winger

Arteta and Cazorla are the only players not first choice for their country, being kept out by a few of the best players ever. On paper our players are of a high enough standard to be doing a lot better than they are.

It's surprising your sticking up for the team in a way but...

Mertesacker - isn't a guaranteed first choice
Koscielny - isn't first choice
Santos - hasn't even been in a Brazil squad for nearly 18 months
Podolski - not necessary first choice anymore, he's came on as sub in Germany's 4 qualifying games so far
Giroud - isn't first choice
walcott - probably starts more often than not, but he's not a nailed on starter

gnfnrhead · 15-12-2012 07:43PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Id be very much against it, i think he's average at best.

Agger is the only pool player id say would get into our team, suarez too but not really a player id like to have in the ranks.

They are probably the only three I'd take but don't think we need Agger right now while Suarez would not be short of offers if he were to be leaving, pretty much ruling us out.

I don't watch Liverpool on a weekly basis but Lucas always seems to do well whenever I do watch. One of their better players and in a position we could do with someone in. Vermaelen often seems to be trying to play DM and CB at the same time and it rarely, if ever, works out. Having a proper DM to sit in front of the back four like Gilberto did would be a big plus in my book. Offers an extra layer of protection and allows Wilshere and Cazorla (or whoever is playing on the day) to focus on creating chances. Right now, the midfield trio seem to swap around a lot and too often don't seem to know what they are supposed to be doing so end up doing nothing productive.

I'd much rather Lucas over this Lampard talk that keeps popping up anyway.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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