Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

jonny666 wrote: »

This and all the other replay are all valid points and I agree to an extent but I still think sacking him now, in the middle of the season is the wrong thing to do. Give him at least til the end f the year and see how we're doing. We are still only a couple of points ff fourth which is all we can hope for with this squad.

Getting beaten tonight was awful but something like this happens every year in the cups

Arsenal wage spend last year £143mil, Spurs wage spend, sub £90mil, Spurs finished 1 point behind us, and it took Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool(over more season) to have complete meltdowns to let us up into third and realistically into even 4th last season.

Miracle, we are by a HUGE margin the 4th highest spenders in the league, we have the 4th most expensive squad, 4th is the essentially breaking even, below fourth is a bad season, above 4th is a fully attainable target, as is the title. Do I expect to win every year, no, do I expect to be in the fight and competitive, sure. Do I expect when we get into a final against Brum, that it takes a HUGE amount of errors and bad luck to not lose, yes. Do I expect a "meh" performance, because that is all we can produce, no I don't, its unprofessional.

Gervinho was diabolically awful, he missed the easiest chance I've seen this season, and I FULLY EXPECTED him to, he's been truly horrendous since we signed him. Now, a one off signing going to crap, I can get behind that, people react badly to moves, sometimes form disappears, thats all part and parcel of football. But more transfer than not end up that way for Arsenal and more crucially, when a player is truly awful I expect them to be dropped, and when a player is absolutely brilliant and shows quality or potential, I expect them to get games or chances respectively.

Our youngsters who show the MOST potential are getting next to no starts, even the ones who don't look as good but Wenger likes(Gnabry) has gotten what 1-2 games, 1-2 sub appearances. Fergie would give a player like Eisfeld of Gnabry(think macheda or Welbeck) plenty of chances in mostly the right games, Wenger won't. Arshavin is consistently excellent for us, he produces assists, goals, turns games around and looks a class above most of what we have, yet can't get a game.

Coming 4th, while playing players who are consistenly awful, refusing to give some players a chance, and pushing out quality players is not good at all, let alone good enough. Progress, is possible under ANY budget, it requires fixing mistakes, pushing out the worst players and replacing them, that might be with a free 17yr old who shows potential, who fails, then you try another kid. Sticking with a known awful player is nothing short of bad managing. Arsenal have spent half a billion in the past 4 seasons on wages..... and won nothing, I'd have to add them all up but I would guesstimate around 850million in wages in the past 8 years, without winning a thing, couldn't even beat Brum in a "easy" final. Do we have the right to win that final, no, but the fact that we couldn't get up for that game, couldn't put in a good performance, had the SAME years old problems in that game AND massive managerial mistakes in the lead up to the game that NO other manager would have made.

Anyone who thinks Arsenal dont' spend MASSIVELY is simply ill informed or deluded, I very much doubt there is a club anywhere near as unsuccessful in the past 8 years who has spent anywhere near as much as we have. Spurs have spent a lot less and still won a cup, more importantly, they've improved, gotten champs league, sustained Euro football, an increasingly quality squad.

If you want to look at a team doing well, everton spend around £60mil in wages because they have smeg all other money and are in debt.... £143mil last year... Arsenal spend over 50% more than the next lowest spending team in the league, we spend OVER twice what a team like Everton spend... and Everton are significantly outperforming us on the pitch this year.

Ed Winchester wrote: »

We get it jonny, you want him out.

jonneymendoza wrote: »

So does many here. i ave simply posted some interesting flaws of wengerto counter act people backing wenger and blaming everything on Stan when in reality most of our failures is all down to wenger.

Ed Winchester wrote: »

There's something wrong with that photo.

Marty McFly wrote: »

Stolen from the match thread.. reactions after Verms miss, majority of the players dont seem to give a crap. Sagna along with this picture on a number off occassions during the match looked like he didnt care less when he made a mistake or lost the ball, and when him of all players normaly a model professional is displaying this attitude we know we have some serious issues going on withing the squad.

batistuta9 wrote: »

It's a still of wilshere turning to his knee's & pulling a face - it proves nothing at all,

look at picture:

chamberlain is doing the same thing - except not looking like jimmy saville's behind him

rosicky, mert. & sagna (even though it looks like he's smiling :pac:) are reacting as well

even gervinho looks shocked

chamakh looks as if he knew it was going to happen

cazorla looks please to be getting in from the cold

and gibbs is, well whatever

using a still picture proves nothing, even though you can take the things i said about some players & prove they cared

greendom wrote: »

Photo-shop job ?

markesmith wrote: »

Wenger does seem to be going backwards...the Arsenal work ethic and give-it-all attitude just doesn't seem to be there anymore. You're the critically acclaimed team, but you don't "like it up in you". I remember a time when Arsenal were pretty much the Leeds of London - hard, unforgiving, brutal and 100% commitment. That's long gone now.