Population Overload

number10a · 10-12-2012 01:17PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

So countries like Ireland who already have a declining populations should discourage people from having kids, because population is on the rise in Asia? Right.

If there is a limit on how many people the Earth can support, then the problem will solve itself once we reach that limit. There's no need for eugenics.

Not to mention that in developed countries birthrates always drop below equilibrium and the populations are bolstered by immigration. So, the solution is not to dictate who can have kids, but to work on developing the rest of the world.

Haven't we got the highest birth rate in Europe? And aren't we one of the only member states in the EU with a growing population? We're predicted to have a population of 7 million by 2050. That's an extra 2.5 million people in the country, an increase of over 50% on 2011 census figures in 39 years.

Madam_X · 10-12-2012 01:24PM

Gaynna wrote: »

The potential aftermath of over-population is the reason why I'm staunchly pro-abortion and pro-euthanasia. It's also the reason why I'm desensitised to news of mass death such as pandemics, war and natural disasters - basically I don't get my knickers in a twist when people on the other side of the planet perish, just as long as my friends and family are ok.

So you're worried about humanity due to over-population... and how you express this is by... *not* being worried about humanity.

Ok.

Maximus Alexander · 10-12-2012 01:36PM

number10a wrote: »

Haven't we got the highest birth rate in Europe? And aren't we one of the only member states in the EU with a growing population? We're predicted to have a population of 7 million by 2050. That's an extra 2.5 million people in the country, an increase of over 50% on 2011 census figures in 39 years.

Yeah, the birth rate shot up since the recession hit, which just highlights the point that financial hardship leads to more babies. Sort out economies and you sort out population issues.

It's already starting to fall off again though and if / when the country gets back on its feet I would expect it to return to the pre-2009 state.

If you compare our population to asian countries, trying to control birth rates in Ireland in order to save the world is a ludicrous suggestion. Trying to control birthrates directly in any country is arguably tyrannical.

Faith+1 · 10-12-2012 01:49PM

Gaynna wrote: »

1800: 1 billion
1927: 2 billion
1960: 3 billion
1974: 4 billion
1987: 5 billion
1999: 6 billion
2012: 7 billion
2025: 8 billion
2043: 9 billion
2083: 10 billion

Jokes on them, I'll be dead!:cool:

MaxSteele · 10-12-2012 05:04PM

That Nat Geo doc is kind of sensationalist. Look at the vast swathes of land in the american Midwest and even the rust belt from the Mississipi to the east coast and bible belt in the south.

It's the 3rd world which will be taking a hit for the most part. "I'm poor , so I'll squeeze out kids I can't look after, in the deluded hope they can survive long enough to care for me in my old age". They're digging they're own graves really. No drought and famine where we are.

Worst case for Ireland and the rest of the developed world is, limited access to unnecessary resources for consumer products etc. We won't be scavenging for food, water or land to live on. Plenty abundant. Oil will be obsolete by this time more than likely.

The third world will sort itself out by either education, strict birth control or mass death through government corruption and civil war.

bb1234567 · 10-12-2012 05:13PM

Gaynna wrote: »

Here is an interesting documentary on our world in the future if we continue to over-populate the planet. The potential aftermath of over-population is the reason why I'm staunchly pro-abortion and pro-euthanasia. It's also the reason why I'm desensitised to news of mass death such as pandemics, war and natural disasters - basically I don't get my knickers in a twist when people on the other side of the planet perish, just as long as my friends and family are okay.

Here's a estimation of the Earth's population over the years from Wikipedia :

1800: 1 billion
1927: 2 billion
1960: 3 billion
1974: 4 billion
1987: 5 billion
1999: 6 billion
2012: 7 billion
2025: 8 billion
2043: 9 billion
2083: 10 billion

There's another one on this website: http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

(not too sure about their accuracies)

Well you seem like a good person:pac:

Saruman · 10-12-2012 05:17PM

There is plenty of physical space for people to live. It's resources that are a problem.
Australia has a tiny population for its size with the majority of the land unpopulated.

Pilotdude5 · 10-12-2012 05:34PM

I think we will evolve to a point where sex isn't fun and will be as pleasurable as eating a bowl of celery. This will reduce the population naturally.

Pilotdude5 · 10-12-2012 05:37PM

Saruman wrote: »

There is plenty of physical space for people to live. It's resources that are a problem.
Australia has a tiny population for its size with the majority of the land unpopulated.

And the US state of Wyoming has a population not much larger than County Cork. It's not Cork though.

Mensch Maschine · 10-12-2012 05:38PM

Pilotdude5 wrote: »

I think we will evolve to a point where sex isn't fun and will be as pleasurable as eating a bowl of celery. This will reduce the population naturally.

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Great insight there. You really thought about that one. :pac:

Well, Stanhope says Abortion is green. Try Sodomy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkgDhDa4HHo

UCDVet · 10-12-2012 05:40PM

the groutch wrote: »

and the first world's countries' solution to it is to just keep throwing money at them to keep more and more of them barely alive.
the fact that foreign aid to 3rd world countries is still needed nearly 30 years after Live Aid is a clear sign that it doesnt work.

I'd argue that giving any money contributes to the problem. The fact that decades of support hasn't solved any of their problems would support the idea that it's not an effective system.

UCDVet · 10-12-2012 05:41PM

Grayson wrote: »

Globally, the biggest cause of death for females under the age of 18 is childbirth.

these are teenage girls who have no access to birth control or sex education. They are married off young and they start having kids. It is not their fault.

@everyone who mentions that we (the developed world) have a declining birth rate. We still use **** loads more resources than the rest of the planet. Even with a declioning birth rate, every one of those kids will probably use 10 times more resources during their life times than a child born in the slums of calcutta.

Whose fault do you think it is?

UCDVet · 10-12-2012 05:42PM

hooradiation wrote: »

I don't believe you have the as firm a grasp on the situation you think you do.

Perhaps you could illuminate with some counterpoints?

LivelineDipso · 10-12-2012 05:45PM

The population explosion has its origins with this muppet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus

It was BS then and it is BS now. Rich white bigots like Attenbrough are talking cock.

Ziphius · 10-12-2012 05:49PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

The population explosion has its origins with this muppet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus

It was BS then and it is BS now. Rich white bigots like Attenbrough are talking cock.

You think population can keep growing indefinitely with no negative effects?

Hippies! · 10-12-2012 05:51PM

Gaynna wrote: »

basically I don't get my knickers in a twist when people on the other side of the planet perish

I hear ya, like if your country has a population in excess of 100 million or a city you live in has 20+ million people then you're asking for trouble and Mother Nature knows how to sort trouble makers out.

LivelineDipso · 10-12-2012 05:52PM

number10a wrote: »

Haven't we got the highest birth rate in Europe? And aren't we one of the only member states in the EU with a growing population? We're predicted to have a population of 7 million by 2050. That's an extra 2.5 million people in the country, an increase of over 50% on 2011 census figures in 39 years.

and that's great news!

As for oil they are finding massive reserves constantly. Peak Oil was a scam created by the indusrtry to jack up the prices in 2009 as most refineries needed vast investment to meet new emissions guidlines. This Peak Oil scam was how they funded it.

LivelineDipso · 10-12-2012 05:54PM

Ziphius wrote: »

You think population can keep growing indefinitely with no negative effects?

But that can't happen for lots of reasons:

Hippies! · 10-12-2012 05:58PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

But that can't happen for lots of reasons:

I don't understand the bit about the thing where he says the population will peak in 30 years and go back down...seems like he based that on nothing.

Ziphius · 10-12-2012 05:59PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

But that can't happen for lots of reasons:

Provide them. Your video just asserts that population will peak and then decrease (which of course it will) but doesn't mention the causal mechanism behind this.

LivelineDipso · 10-12-2012 06:03PM

Hippies! wrote: »

I don't understand the bit about the thing where he says the population will peak in 30 years and go back down...seems like he based that on nothing.

watch the rest of the vids. That is just the intro.

http://overpopulationisamyth.com/2-point-1-kids-a-stable-population

Hippies! · 10-12-2012 06:08PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

watch the rest of the vids. That is just the intro.

I don't get that either, sure why's the population of the Earth increasing ten fold if any of what he said is true

Ziphius · 10-12-2012 06:10PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

watch the rest of the vids. That is just the intro.

http://overpopulationisamyth.com/2-point-1-kids-a-stable-population

These videos are made by the Population Research Institute, an American pro-life organisation.

It's basically just anti-abortion propaganda.

Giving women in the developing world control over their own fertility would reduce existing inequality not promote it.

Chinasea · 10-12-2012 07:29PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Yeah, the birth rate shot up since the recession hit, which just highlights the point that financial hardship leads to more babies. Sort out economies and you sort out population issues.

It's already starting to fall off again though and if / when the country gets back on its feet I would expect it to return to the pre-2009 state.

If you compare our population to asian countries, trying to control birth rates in Ireland in order to save the world is a ludicrous suggestion. Trying to control birthrates directly in any country is arguably tyrannical.

I fail to see what is wrong with forcing a nation to be responsible or sustainable if they can't work it out for themselves. Intervention is sometimes essential, call it tyrannical, but the human species although intelligent seem to be dumb when left to their own irresponsible devices.

AnonoBoy · 10-12-2012 07:31PM

Maybe people will start to die off because they're forced into watching loads of boring videos on Youtube? :pac:

BrokenArrows · 10-12-2012 07:37PM

The nature will sort the issue out. Bound to be some crazy disease or war or whatever.

AnonoBoy · 10-12-2012 07:40PM

BrokenArrows wrote: »

The nature will sort the issue out. Bound to be some crazy disease or war or whatever.

Or THE HAPPENING........ :pac:

Nodin · 10-12-2012 07:55PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Or THE HAPPENING........ :pac:

I thought gay marriage was going to lead to doom by......THE BUMMENING

shruikan2553 · 10-12-2012 07:58PM

When we get to a point where we cant feed everyone and we cant get handouts from somewhere else people will starve until it gets to a point where the population can survive on what resources they have. Also is densely populated areas spread disease from person to person a lot quicker. Humans are just like any animal, no food? die or move to somewhere with food.

If aid to the third world countries was stopped tomorrow their population would fall and become stable. Then we can start pumping money back in and watch it rise.

sock puppet · 10-12-2012 08:00PM

number10a wrote: »

Haven't we got the highest birth rate in Europe?

Why do so many people repeat this rubbish? It's like saying Sleepy was the tallest dwarf, therefore he must be tall.

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