Max Clifford arrested on sex charges

4zn76tysfajdxp · 06-12-2012 04:07PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

He's not forcing anyone to buy those newspapers is he?

Well, we'll see what emerges in court.

pickarooney · 06-12-2012 04:10PM

sfwcork wrote: »

I bt he knows alot of sh!t about high figures.

What is he, a mathematician?

Penn · 06-12-2012 04:11PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

He's not forcing anyone to buy those newspapers is he?

No.

mikom · 06-12-2012 04:13PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

He's not forcing anyone to buy those newspapers is he?

He forced a copy of the daily male on me once......

--Kaiser-- · 06-12-2012 04:21PM

Penn wrote: »

No.

Well, there you are. Perhaps you want all the consumers of tabloid/heat/OK/Hello/whathaveyou arrested?

Penn · 06-12-2012 04:23PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Well, there you are. Perhaps you want all the consumers of tabloid/heat/OK/Hello/whathaveyou arrested?

Of course not.

squod · 06-12-2012 04:24PM

Shryke wrote: »

"Historic"? Did he molest the Queen or something?

Post of the day. Nearly split my sides....

--Kaiser-- · 06-12-2012 04:28PM

Penn wrote: »

Of course not.

I don't see why a man should be excoriated for making money off the prying and vacuous nature of the proletariat

kneemos · 06-12-2012 04:48PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

I don't see why a man should be excoriated for making money off the prying and vacuous nature of the proletariat

Haven't heard those words for a while.

Penn · 06-12-2012 04:49PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

I don't see why a man should be excoriated for making money off the prying and vacuous nature of the proletariat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Clifford

Some choice sentences:
The story was one of the first examples where, rather than PR agents managing what went into the media or confirming a journalist's storyline, Clifford created a fast-selling story which he sold to the media, and its counter line follow-up.

In light of Clifford's view of the deteriorating state of the NHS, and the moral difference with members of the John Major government, Clifford worked to expose stories to help the Labour Party in to power.

Clifford invented the story which claimed Mellor made love in Chelsea F.C. football kit, though he was blocked from mentioning it in his memoirs.

Shortly after Fayed retained Clifford, Hamilton and his wife Christine were both arrested on rape charges which were later found to be false... However, the judge in the case pointed out that Clifford had offered the offender £80,000 in connection with the claims.

Liverpool left-wing politician Derek Hatton, for whom Clifford created an affair in order to change his image.

During filming, it appeared that Clifford was trying to set up Theroux during a PR stunt in Sainsbury's. It backfired after Clifford was heard on his microphone lying, unaware it was still on.

Frank Black · 06-12-2012 04:53PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Jesus, much as I despise the príck, I wouldn't have had him down as a perv.

This whole thing is getting worse and worse, how was it kept secret for so long?

Not sure he's been convicted of anything yet.

There's a whole judicial process to be gone through.

--Kaiser-- · 06-12-2012 04:55PM

Penn wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Clifford

Some choice sentences:
The story was one of the first examples where, rather than PR agents managing what went into the media or confirming a journalist's storyline, Clifford created a fast-selling story which he sold to the media, and its counter line follow-up.

In light of Clifford's view of the deteriorating state of the NHS, and the moral difference with members of the John Major government, Clifford worked to expose stories to help the Labour Party in to power.

Clifford invented the story which claimed Mellor made love in Chelsea F.C. football kit, though he was blocked from mentioning it in his memoirs.

Shortly after Fayed retained Clifford, Hamilton and his wife Christine were both arrested on rape charges which were later found to be false... However, the judge in the case pointed out that Clifford had offered the offender £80,000 in connection with the claims.

Liverpool left-wing politician Derek Hatton, for whom Clifford created an affair in order to change his image.

During filming, it appeared that Clifford was trying to set up Theroux during a PR stunt in Sainsbury's. It backfired after Clifford was heard on his microphone lying, unaware it was still on.

PR man does some PR stunts. Shock horror

Madam_X · 06-12-2012 04:55PM

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

Couldn't happen to a nicer person, he is such a know all gob****e. Lets see him talk his way out of this.

well... if he's guilty.

Him being a prick and people wanting him to be guilty of these charges... doesn't mean he definitely is.

Penn · 06-12-2012 05:22PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

PR man does some PR stunts. Shock horror

But that's not what PR used to be. PR people didn't used to manipulate the media to such an extent. There wasn't a demand from the "prying and vacuous proletariat" for these types of stories, he and his kind invented it.

To be honest, whenever I think of Max Clifford, I think of the Ricky Gervais speech from Extras.

What are we doing? Selling ourselves. Selling everything. The happiest day of my life - oh, quick, I'll do the invites and bake a cake and get a press tent. Must have a press tent - it's a wedding. I must see pictures of meself with other people I'm in the programme with. Oh, now I'm pregnant - we must televise the birth. Quick, see if Ryan Seacrest will present it. Maybe it'll make E! channel's "100 Greatest Caesarians". I'm not having a go at you. I'm just sick of these celebrities just living their lives out in the open all the time. Why would you do that? It's like these pop stars who choose the perfect moment to go into rehab. They call their publicist before they call a taxi. Then they come out and they do their second autobiography - this one's called "Love Me or I'll Kill Myself". Well, kill yourself then. And the papers lap it up. They follow us around and that makes people think we're important, and that makes us think we're important. If they stop following us around, taking pictures of us, those people wouldn't take to the streets going "Oh quick, I need a picture of Cameron Diaz with a pimple". They wouldn't care; they'd get on with something else. They'd get on with their lives. You open the paper and you see a picture of Lindsay Lohan getting out of a car, and the headline is "Cover Up Lindsay, We Can See Your Knickers". Of course you can see her knickers - your photographer is lying in the road, pointing his camera up her dress to see her knickers! You're literally the gutter press. And **** you, the makers of this show, as well. You can't wash your hands in this. You can't keep going "Oh, it's exploitation, but it's what the public want". No, the Victorian freak show never went away. Now it's called "Big Brother" or "American Idol", where, in the preliminary rounds, we wheel out the bewildered to be sniggered at by multimillionaires.

You cannot deny that Max Clifford hasn't had a huge impact on this type of thing.

Besides which, some of the lines from Wikipedia I quoted were not simply "PR stunts". How he possibly paid someone to lie about having an affair with an MP. PR stunt? No, because it could have ruined that man's life. Worked to expose stories to help the Labour party into power. A PR stunt? Seriously?

Madam_X wrote: »

well... if he's guilty.

Him being a prick and people wanting him to be guilty of these charges... doesn't mean he definitely is.

I don't want him to be found guilty if he didn't do it. Again, my first comment was a flippant remark to show my dislike for him and what he's done career-wise, not about whether or not he should be found guilty as a result of whatever allegations have been made against him, the details of which are unknown.

--Kaiser-- · 06-12-2012 05:32PM

Penn wrote: »

You cannot deny that Max Clifford hasn't had a huge impact on this type of thing.

He has undoubtedly had a huge impact on these types of thing. Do I care? No.
I don't read tabloid newspapers or gossip mags. I couldn't care less. If he can make money off of people who do subscribe to this bilge, let him off, that's capitalism. Most of the stuff he does is perfectly legal

frankosw · 06-12-2012 05:33PM

This is just the top lid on a very nasty can of worms..there will be people in the public eye ****ting themselves the length and breatdh of the UK...this will get messy!

Penn · 06-12-2012 05:43PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

He has undoubtedly had a huge impact on these types of thing. Do I care? No.
I don't read tabloid newspapers or gossip mags. I couldn't care less. If he can make money off of people who do subscribe to this bilge, let him off, that's capitalism. Most of the stuff he does is perfectly legal

I agree. It's mostly because I dislike the result of what he does that makes me dislike him personally which I'll freely admit. I have to buy The Mirror every day (for my mother) and just looking at the front page annoys me. Worst I saw was a huge front page headline about how Jedward almost died in birth due to complications.

The front page story of a national newspaper was about something which almost happened 18 years earlier to two celebrities.

It's incredible that any publication can be called "news" with stories like that, and it's largely as a result of PR men like Clifford. But like I said in the beginning, my dislike for him is due to my opinion on what he has done rather than anything of any significant importance.

Yamanoto · 06-12-2012 05:43PM

mikom wrote: »

The real question is............. Who is next to be receive the Louis Theroux kiss of death.

Orville or Christine Hamilton, filthy birds the pair of 'em :pac:

take everything · 06-12-2012 05:45PM

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

He has undoubtedly had a huge impact on these types of thing. Do I care? No.
I don't read tabloid newspapers or gossip mags. I couldn't care less. If he can make money off of people who do subscribe to this bilge, let him off, that's capitalism. Most of the stuff he does is perfectly legal

Maybe i didn't read the other post properly but i think your man just said he was a prick, not that promoting and selling stupid stories to morons was illegal.

So yeah he's odious.
And people think he's odious.

06-12-2012 05:45PM

If he didn't do it then obviously very few people would want him convicted. However there's very few people who aren't already known killers or sexual abusers (can't say rapists :pac: ) who I would be glad to hear about getting caught out.

Latchy · 06-12-2012 05:46PM

Mr Blobby will be shaken in his boots ...

3ndahalfof6 · 06-12-2012 06:01PM

I can not see him hanging anyone out to dry, unless he has done something himself and brokers a deal for information.

Madam_X · 06-12-2012 06:01PM

Penn wrote: »

I don't want him to be found guilty if he didn't do it. Again, my first comment was a flippant remark to show my dislike for him and what he's done career-wise, not about whether or not he should be found guilty as a result of whatever allegations have been made against him, the details of which are unknown.

Oh I know - I was directing my comment to the people who are speaking as though he's been found guilty already.

I agree too it's disingenuous to say the fabrications he's created are mere PR stunts - they're smear campaigns, dirty tricks tactics. And so what if people don't have to read them/watch them. Shur you could say that about anything that ruins people's lives but I fail to see how that makes it ok.

3ndahalfof6 · 06-12-2012 06:04PM

Latchy wrote: »

Mr Blobby will be shaken in his boots ...

Do you think it is possible he had a go at a young aunt sally, worzel will be sticking on his sniper head.

Chips Lovell · 06-12-2012 06:08PM

A PR stunt is Michael O'Leary saying he'll charge people for going to the jacks. A lot of what Clifford did went beyond that.

Latchy · 06-12-2012 06:10PM

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

Do you think it is possible he had a go at a young aunt sally, worzel will be sticking on his sniper head.

The police as we speak are probably examining the complete wardrobe set at the BBC from last 4 decades for DNA samples , even the Daleks will be ****ting themselves ...

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