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Nine years for raping a woman - twice!

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  • #2
    EdenHazard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭EdenHazard


    'Said he would hang himself if she went to Gardaí' I'm guessing she knew who it was so had some reason to care that he would hang himself.


  • #3
    Gianna Fat Punch
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Gianna Fat Punch


    I'm quite happy with 9 years, especially since it wasn't "ah sure throw her a few bob and then off you go"


  • #4
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    If every second person raped was a man perhaps stiffer sentences would be handed down

    http://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=14205


  • #5
    upstairs for coffee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭upstairs for coffee


    Dunne who should be more ashamed - the judge or the perpetrator. Shocking. He'll be out in 6/7 years.


  • #6
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Dude smuggles garlic- 6 years

    Dude violates a woman in worst possible way and potentially ruins her life- 9 years.




    Yep, seems consistent :rolleyes:


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  • #7
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,520 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    EdenHazard wrote: »
    'Said he would hang himself if she went to Gardaí' I'm guessing she knew who it was so had some reason to care that he would hang himself.

    Doesn't sound like it, considering he then asked her for her phone number. Seems more like he was trying to guilt her into not going to the guards.


  • #8
    Mr. Manager
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,139 ✭✭✭✭Mr. Manager


    There should be more poll options IMO.

    Not saying that 9 years is enough but certainly no need to throw away the key. Some people can be rehabilitated and introduced as a normal citizen again to society.


  • #9
    upstairs for coffee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭upstairs for coffee


    bluewolf wrote: »
    I'm quite happy with 9 years, especially since it wasn't "ah sure throw her a few bob and then off you go"

    I think it's disgusting that we have to be happy with a mere 9 years. But when you compare it to that case where the perpetrator was allowed to buy his get out of jail free card, it does seem like a lifetime sentence!


  • #10
    Gianna Fat Punch
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Gianna Fat Punch


    EdenHazard wrote: »
    'Said he would hang himself if she went to Gardaí' I'm guessing she knew who it was so had some reason to care that he would hang himself.

    Not necessarily, sounds like a disturbed person

    Kane initially demanded to know where the safe was but then raped her twice and threatened to bury her in the back garden and said he would hang himself if she went to the gardaí.
    As he left, he gave her a hug and asked for her number so he could take her out to dinner.

    The woman still suffers flashbacks and nightmares

    And obviously she did go to the gardai...


  • #11
    who_me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭who_me


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Is this sentence adequate? http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/serial-burglar-sentenced-to-nine-years-for-raping-dublin-woman-576909.html

    I am absolutely sick and tired of these unspeakable 'beasts' being given paltry sentences and then allowed back into society to re-offend. If every second person raped was a man perhaps stiffer sentences would be handed down but I doubt it. :mad:

    9 years is pretty long for any crime by the standards of this country.


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  • #12
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,644 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    That man should have his balls cut out. That man has destroyed a woman for life.

    He should get same treatment.

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • #13
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Cereal Rapist wrote: »
    . Some people can be rehabilitated and introduced as a normal citizen again to society.

    Yeah, cut his balls off and then you can let him back out. He won't do it again then.


  • #14
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    As he left, he gave her a hug and asked for her number so he could take her out to dinner.:mad:

    I think the death penalty would be more suitable in this case


  • #15
    joydivision
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 735 ✭✭✭joydivision


    While Im not condoning rape in any way . I dont really understand how a fella that kicked a homeless man to death or somebody who randomly beats the piss out of a passer by in town should get any less of a sentence .


  • #16
    Procrastastudy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Is this sentence adequate? http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/serial-burglar-sentenced-to-nine-years-for-raping-dublin-woman-576909.html

    I am absolutely sick and tired of these unspeakable 'beasts' being given paltry sentences and then allowed back into society to re-offend. If every second person raped was a man perhaps stiffer sentences would be handed down but I doubt it. :mad:

    Eh? The Chief Justice in this country is a woman. Its not as if the judiciary is all men.

    Sentencing in this country has resulted in lower crime rates than the US, which uses the policy you seem to be advocating. What sentence do you suggest - I realise it's a heinous crime but he didn't kill anyone. Giving rapists live sentences would mean they've nothing to lose by killing their victims.


  • #17
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    who_me wrote: »
    9 years is pretty long for any crime by the standards of this country.

    Sure 10 years is considered life in this country ffs. You get that for first degree and let out early for good behaviour.


  • #18
    Procrastastudy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Sure 10 years is considered life in this country ffs. You get that for first degree and let out early for good behaviour.

    No it isn't. Life is life - they are released on licence after, on average, 17 years.


  • #19
    aidan24326
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    The article says he has spent most of his adult life in prison for various offences so the guy is obviously a menace. Going by that, and the fact he hung around to violently rape her at hammer-point a second time I'd say 9 years is lenient enough. Prison obviously didn't make him change his ways on his previous visits so no real reason to think that it will this time either.


  • #20
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Sure 10 years is considered life in this country ffs. You get that for first degree and let out early for good behaviour.

    That isn't right. I know someone who has served 17 years of a life sentence but he is forever on parole. He got married and his wife had to be cleared by the prison service, he can not leave the country without seeking permission.

    If he colludes with known criminals or commits any sort of crime, he is locked up again.


    A lot of Irish Lifers would rather do 25 years and be done with it.


  • #21
    seanhalpin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭seanhalpin


    Yeah throw away the key.They should learn to have proper respect for women.

    Rape is a terrible crime :rolleyes:


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  • #22
    blue note
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,703 ✭✭✭blue note


    If you can't afford it, you just shouldn't do it. It's about time we jailed people for unpaid debts.

    (for anyone who doesn't understand this is a tongue in cheek comparison to the people who were allowed to "pay off" their rape / sexual assault victims and the bankers / developers). I think rape is always wrong.


  • #23
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    A JUDGE has sentenced a serial burglar to 12 years for a rape during a home invasion but suspended the final three years on condition he completes his Leaving Certificate.

    WTF?


  • #24
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Sure 10 years is considered life in this country ffs. You get that for first degree and let out early for good behaviour.

    Wrong life is life in this country and the best you can expect is to be granted conditional temp release after an average of 17 years, there are prisoners in this country who have served well over 25 and even 30 years.


  • #25
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,225 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Jesus, AH is like the ombudsman of the courts today.


  • #26
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    I think nine years is adequate enough provided he serves the full term.

    How many years will he do, realistically, though?


  • #27
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Jesus, AH is like the ombudsman of the courts today.
    Somebody's gotta take a stand against all these judges just plucking random sentences out of the air (and no abiding by the existing legislation) just to piss people off, URL.
    upstairs for coffee wrote: »
    Dunne who should be more ashamed - the judge or the perpetrator.
    I'ma say... the rapist.


  • #28
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    Where To wrote: »
    I think nine years is adequate enough provided he serves the full term.

    How many years will he do, realistically, though?

    If he keeps his full remission he will serve 7 years and 6 months, he will also be subject to a supervision order for 12 months after his release and on the sex offenders register for a minimum of 10 years but more likely for life. If he reoffends again within the suspended portion of his sentence he can be made serve that.


  • #29
    Holsten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Yeah, cut his balls off and then you can let him back out. He won't do it again then.

    This wouldn't stop a rapist.

    Take his balls, take his penis.. he'll just use other things.

    If someone is going to rape someone, they'll do it no matter what sadly.


  • #30
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    Where To wrote: »
    I think nine years is adequate enough provided he serves the full term.

    How many years will he do, realistically, though?

    take 25% off for good behavior (which is not getting caught actin the bollix but not necessarily taking part in any rehabilitation) which is applied automatically


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  • #31
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    In fairness, while ye all know about my serious gripes with our justice system, 9 years is hardly a lenient sentence, it's an absolutely gigantic chunk of someone's life. Doesn't look like much written down, but it really is.


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