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saorsat and freesat on humax forsat hdr

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  • #62
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    thanks gb i have seen that video it only gives brief glimses of the setup but it is a guide


  • #63
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    UPDATE, .. I have the dish pointing at 16e i have managed to get 28e with the lnb offset to the right, could only get 13 e on the left so i have to rearrange the multi lnb bar, had moved the bar to the right as advised by watty but must have moved too far, i must need to move the lnb on the left farther left


  • #64
    dharn
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    this is the present setup i have been using the lnb on the left to search for 9e by moving it to the holder on the right and moving it in and out, but not getting 9e i think i need to move further right so will have to adjust the bar on the arm ( when it stops raining )


  • #65
    swoofer
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    hi, you are mkaing it hard for your self, watty said get 13east ie make that the prime, bbc is FTA on 13east so you could use that. Also I am sure you have to flip that triax lnb holder ie use it upside down as it is easier to get the elvation. And another hole is drilled in the triax holder to make more of it usable. Once you get 13east you should refit the holder.

    have a look at this image and note the location of 9east and 28east and the holder ie quite level.


  • #66
    dharn
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    thanks gb, it is not obvious from my photo but i have the bar mounted upside down ie the hole is in the upper groove so there is more room to tilt it, i have drilled the bar i third over as per watty but i recon im aimed at 16 rather than 13, but if you look at the pic you posted the center lnb is marked 16 so does than not mean that the dish is centered on 16 so it seems it it possible with the dish centered on 16 ,but i might re aim the dish on 13 tomorrow, the wife thinks im gone mad nearly a week at it now up and down the ladder cursing and swearing !!!


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  • #67
    swoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    ok I think you are approcahing the task the wrong way ie too quickly. The first step is to set dish on 13east for best possible signal. using dishpointer for where you are 13east dish elevation is 26. So you should put on the lnb holder that came with dish and line it up on 13east using you sky lnb or a single lnb if you have one. You only need 2 channels, one horizontal and one vertical.

    1, BBC WORLD NEWS = H = 12597.00 V 94 Europe DVB-S QPSK 27500 3/4

    2, 3abn = = V = 10815.00 H 115 Europe DVB-S QPSK 27500 5/6

    http://www.dishpointer.com/ gives the skew as well.

    when you have those at max strength, you may have to move dish up and down as wella as markings can be off but triax usually good. Now you know dish is spot on for 13east and you can now get 28 and 9east. So put holder back on and get 28 first. 9east

    saorsat is very hard to get. I used an ordinary lnb first but you may not have a spare.

    Its fine again tomorrow. Your way is relying on luck. have you more than one ordinary lnb?

    this is what watty said

    "The dish elevation is set for whatever satellite you point the arm at. Say 13E for a 90cm dish and 16E for a larger dish.
    Then the 9E is a bit higher elevation and the 28E a lot lower Elevation. You do NOT re-adjust the dish after peaking signal on 13E (or 16E). Then fit multiLNB bracket and only adjust its tilt on 28E as it has the most change. Elevation is thus tilt of bracket and azimuth different from 13E (or 16E) is the LNB distance out on bracket. "

    and in his first post

    With only 90Cm I would point dish and LOCK it at best signal for 13E. Then Adjust on multi-LNB Arm for 28E and 9E,

    You need a new hole on the multi-LNB bracket about 1/3rd along rather than middle.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attac...2&d=1289166028

    Left is 28E and Right is 9E. Dish pointed at 16E. But that is a slightly bigger dish than standard 90cm, was supplied by SES-Astra."

    and always say lnb while looking from front, its easier.


  • #68
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Go to dishpointer / satpointer and get your angles, compare them to 13E and get the difference.

    Don't forget the dish acts as a mirror, so the offset is the other way, angles are relative to where the arm meets the dish.


  • #69
    swoofer
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    dont confuse him, we have told him what to do, ie set it up on 13 east at 26 elevation


  • #70
    dharn
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    thanks gb i was thinking that my self, ie going back to the original lnb holder as the triax does not let you put the lnb bang in the middle ,i found it very confusing knowing what sattelite i had found, i would get a strong signal ,would have the box on manual scan get a load of channels and then have to look up lyngsat to try and work out what sat i had gotten ! i know so far i have had 19e, 16e and 13 e never found 9e yet, thats with the ordinary lnb dont have a spare lnb but if i find the sweet spot i was leaving the holder in that spot and moving to another holder


  • #71
    swoofer
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    to get 9 east get this 1 channel using the sky lnb.

    1. ANN =11727.00 V 50 EB9A DVB-S QPSK 27500 3/4 very strong

    and now you know you are on 9 east, swop lnb and bingo. leaving holder in place is fine.

    good luck, weather a bit better today


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  • #72
    dharn
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    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    to get 9 east get this 1 channel using the sky lnb.

    1. ANN =11727.00 V 50 EB9A DVB-S QPSK 27500 3/4 very strong

    and now you know you are on 9 east, swop lnb and bingo. leaving holder in place is fine.

    good luck, weather a bit better today

    is ann a nice looking bird !!, by the way thanks a million for all your help i am getting a great education i might turn professional after this


  • #73
    dharn
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    im getting 80 % signal quality 50 % should it be better ? on 13e the chanells are watchable so maybe thats as good as it gets
    will that be ok for setting up the triax arm


  • #74
    dharn
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    progress at last. with the dish aimed at 13e i now have 28e coming in 100% quality 90% signal strength, on the triax lnb holder so im doing something right, now will see how i get on looking for 9e, on the other end


  • #75
    swoofer
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    are you using a meter or the actual humax ie you should get a reading on the humax and it has a good tuner. Ok 50% is... too low. And you will get a different reading on the horizontal and the vertical and it depends on the lnb. Your dish is 90cm, hotbird is very strong so you have a bit more to do.

    this is what i get on a triax 110CM dish with... a black ultra lnb. bbc = V = 76%sig 88%Q

    3abn = H = 88%sig 96%q so 80sig for you is good. What you do now is tweak it a bit, adjust the skew on lnb, i think its twist to right l as you look from front. then you have to adjust focal lenghth of lnb ie move it in and out while on a channel, also you have to ensure pole is 100% vertical and that dish is dead level ie not leaning. And I hope you tweaked the elevation as well. If you get to 70 on quality you may be ok. What you are doing now is fine tuning and if you are up and down ladder its a bind. Ideally you should have a little tv with you on roof hooked up to the humax but as you have neither you may have to rely on your meter.

    BUT you are getting there.

    NB make sure everything on the dish is aiming dead straight, ie arm dish mountings, pole. There usually a little kink on dish mounting to help you line it up.


  • #76
    dharn
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    again thanks a million for your time and patients , is the aim of the dish on 13 absolutely critical, as i have removed the single lnb holder and gone back to the triax, as 28 e came in at 90% and 100 quality, or will i struggle with 9e if 13 e is not maxed out first, i am using a dish finder first but that yoke will squeak if no lnb is connected so i just know im getting a signal and as i turn up and down the gain i eventually work out where the best spot for that signal is but then you have to check with the humax to see what you have actually got


  • #77
    swoofer
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    good stuff and you may get 9 east now but that figure for 28east is very high ie too good but you never know, the reading i get on 9east for ANN is 82%s 82%q so its strong.

    when you switch to saorsat the reading will be lower, i get 44q here on a zone 2 . but lnb works anyway no skew etc, it will even work upside down if you want

    give it a go first you could strike it lucky


  • #78
    dharn
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    thanks gb i found 9e today with the lnbs offset on the bar , 75 st 70 q so im getting there im surprised to hear saorsat is so weak as we are supposed to be the target audience


  • #79
    Ronnie Raygun
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    A zone 2 Sky dish would not be recommended for Saorsat reception. The minimum specified by RTENL for reliable all-weather reception is an 80cm solid dish (not perforated like the Sky dish), increasing to 100cm in the southwest (& presumably the northeast of NI).


  • #80
    swoofer
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    perfect, dont worry about the readings with those reading for ANN you will get soarsat no bother, what I meant was the readings can go very low and still get a picture. dying to hear when you get saorsat ie RTE2HD.


  • #81
    dharn
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    Ronnie Raygun wrote: »
    A zone 2 Sky dish would not be recommended for Saorsat reception. The minimum specified by RTENL for reliable all-weather reception is an 80cm solid dish (not perforated like the Sky dish), increasing to 100cm in the southwest (& presumably the northeast of NI).
    thanks ronnie, i have a triax 88 so i hope that dish is big enough


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  • #82
    dharn
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    @ gb i already have saorview on an aerial coming in loud and clear its just to try and combine them all on a the humax epg but im beginning to feel its not worth all the greif,i connected the inverto ka lnb, the meter immediately gave me a strong signal so i thought i was sound but the receiver has not found a dicky bird


  • #83
    zg3409
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    Is the receiver is non-freesat mode?

    If the KA LNB the only thing connected?

    Have you entered the transponder manually or are you doing a blind scan?


  • #84
    Apogee
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    What frequency did you use when scanning for the Saorsat channels?

    It should be 10765MHz, Symbol rate: 25000; Polarity: Vertical (V); FEC: 1/2 and the correct Diseqc port no.


  • #85
    dharn
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    i have just got it now, :):) strength 85 quality 80, the picture looks slightly softer than if i go back to the saorview signal can the stenght and quality be improved do you think with the 88cm dish and living in east galway


  • #86
    Apogee
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    Well done!

    A bigger dish will have zero effect on the overall picture quality assuming you aren't seeing any pixellation.

    You might post a few photos of the Humax EPG and Saorsat working together when you get a chance.


  • #87
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    thanks for your interest im a long way from that yet i have not loaded the software required i have a new humax and im afraid to go messing with it yet, also have not set up diseq either i was swapping leads at the dish so as to make sure no other unknown problem was introduced ,i might connect 1 tuner via diseq and see how i go but i feel it could be after christmas before im allowed to do any more messing with the system ( wife other jobs to be done ) !!


  • #88
    excollier
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    Don't fret about the modded firmware, it's vey easy to install and set up. Can't comment onthe diseqc set up tho'


  • #89
    swoofer
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    I'd stick with that you wont get much better and it will do nothing to the picture. Are you getting saorview through the tv ie TV is saorview approved, then when you switch to humax are you using hdmi? and you may have set the humax at 1080i so when you watch rte one its upscaled. But if you select RTE 2 HD on both the difference will be minimal.

    You did good, 9 e is not easy.


  • #90
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    thanks gb without your help i would never get, there ya humax connected via hdmi and upscaling to 1080 ,difference is very little, it is a panasonic yiera with great quality picture, bbc hd or itv hd are amazing as good as blu ray just thought rte 1 off Ariel looked a bit better than same off saorsat


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  • #91
    givecredit
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    Apogee wrote: »
    Well done!

    You might post a few photos of the Humax EPG and Saorsat working together when you get a chance.

    I'd be surprised if both of these epgs work together on a humax. In freesat mode on humax the eit epg (Now and next for non freesat channels is blocked)eit epg only works in non freesat mode. Of course Freesat epg does not work in non freesat mode...


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