Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

greendom · 03-12-2012 02:37PM

blingrhino wrote: »

if we dont win tomorrow night - the atmosphere and booing will be horendous

It's in Greece tomorrow isn't it ?

03-12-2012 02:39PM

Galvasean wrote: »

As always, I'd leave Wenger on until the end of the season and judge him accordingly then. Around this time last season and in years gone by a great many were calling for his sacking, but he pulled through in the end. I'm far from happy with the way things are going right now, but I don't see much point in sacking him before the end of the season.

This time last year we were on 29 rather than 21 points and had just won 7/8, drawing the other one had qualified top of the group in the CL with a match to spare. Luckily everyone bar the Mancs are playing ****e so far this year so 4th is still a possibility but that's really not good enough.
While there's little point in sacking Wenger before the end of the year anyway he needs to give the team a kick up the arse. If it's the players and the board that are the problem then park half a dozen players with the reserves til they wise up, annoy the board by having some of the top earners not on the pitch because they don't deserve to be. Something's gotta give.

Galvasean · 03-12-2012 02:50PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

i want to ask a question to u all.

do u support arsene wenger or arsenal the football club?

If u support the club first and foremost, should u not want wenger sacked if he cant do the job at hand?

The big questions remain though: would sacking him accomplish anything? Would anyone else that we could get in be able to do a better job or even match teh job he has been doing?

03-12-2012 02:52PM

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/akpom-ansah-and-monteiro-in-arsenal-squad

Looks like tomorrow could be a write off

greendom · 03-12-2012 02:53PM

Galvasean wrote: »

The big questions remain though: would sacking him accomplish anything? Would anyone else that we could get in be able to do a better job or even match teh job he has been doing?

Yes allied to that is the question of whether the board are giving him everything at his disposal to do a good job ? Would anyone else be able to do better with the same restrictions ?

Mickeroo · 03-12-2012 02:55PM

AdamD wrote: »

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/akpom-ansah-and-monteiro-in-arsenal-squad

Looks like tomorrow could be a write off

No Eisfeld or Gnabry? Strange. No harm resting a few players though. Arshavin and Chamakh starting I suppose.

I guess they're happy enough to take 2nd place, pretty unlikely Montpellier would get a result against Shalke anyway.

Marty McFly · 03-12-2012 02:58PM

Galvasean wrote: »

The big questions remain though: would sacking him accomplish anything? Would anyone else that we could get in be able to do a better job or even match teh job he has been doing?

Im with the majority as much as im not happy at the momment I dont think sacking him mid season will achieve anything but I do think his time is up come the end of the season.

But in answer to your question I think yes on both counts. We have a good squad of players, its tactics and motivation we lack in both of which fall on the managment team.

Frisbee · 03-12-2012 02:58PM

Surely if we're going to play reserve players then the likes of Gnarby and Eisfeld who Wenger keeps bigging up are deserving of a start.

Bizarre.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 03-12-2012 03:03PM

Frisbee wrote: »

Surely if we're going to play reserve players then the likes of Gnarby and Eisfeld who Wenger keeps bigging up are deserving of a start.

Bizarre.

Think Gnabry is injured. Not sure about Eisfeld, would have liked to see them.

First in the group isn't really looking like it will be much better than second so no harm in rotating.

UnknownSpecies · 03-12-2012 03:03PM

Frisbee wrote: »

Surely if we're going to play reserve players then the likes of Gnarby and Eisfeld who Wenger keeps bigging up are deserving of a start.

Bizarre.

Came here to say this. Eisfeld has been flying lately, should be given a chance ahead of all the deadwood that we'll be shipping out soon anyway.

Frisbee · 03-12-2012 03:10PM

The funny but sad thing is that the decision probably makes perfect sense to Wenger, who after all has been a manager for a very long time now, we mere mortals shouldn't dare question him.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 03-12-2012 03:24PM

Frisbee wrote: »

The funny but sad thing is that the decision probably makes perfect sense to Wenger, who after all has been a manager for a very long time now, we mere mortals shouldn't dare question him.

Turns out he isn't registered for the CL.

Explanation here.

Can put the pitchforks away now.

Pierce_1991 · 03-12-2012 03:28PM

Lambs to the slaughter

greendom · 03-12-2012 03:32PM

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

Lambs to the slaughter

lambs to the very rocky and steep field, but I get your pointg

keano_afc · 03-12-2012 04:16PM

I was away at the weekend, thank God. Havent seen a minute of Saturday's game, and I certainly wont be taking the opportunity to catch up.

gnfnrhead · 03-12-2012 04:49PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

i want to ask a question to u all.

do u support arsene wenger or arsenal the football club?

If u support the club first and foremost, should u not want wenger sacked if he cant do the job at hand?

Look at Chelsea. RDM was doing a decent enough job but seemingly not good enough so got sacked. Rafa is now probably doing worse than RDM was doing. Sack him as well?

Sacking a manager in mid season is never a great idea. Sometimes it will work, but a lot of times it wont. Plus, a new manager would need time to gel with the team, thats what pre-season is for, not mid-season.

The only time sacking a manager mid-season should be considered is when you're looking a sure thing to be relegated. Not being top of the league, or top four in December etc., is not a good reason to change mid-season.

gosplan · 03-12-2012 05:40PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

i want to ask a question to u all.

do u support arsene wenger or arsenal the football club?

If u support the club first and foremost, should u not want wenger sacked if he cant do the job at hand?

Depends on how you define 'job at hand'. If it involves selling your two best players every season to fund the club, then that needs to be taken into account.

Personally, if we're going to be giving the next manager 100 million and ask them to win trophies, then we should give Wenger that chance first.

If we're planning on the new manager operating under the same financial constraints, then keep him in the job.

extra gravy · 03-12-2012 06:15PM

Wenger was on SSN there harping on again about the team having spirit and "mental strength." I find it hard to listen to him anymore.

jordainius · 03-12-2012 06:19PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

i want to ask a question to u all.

do u support arsene wenger or arsenal the football club?

If u support the club first and foremost, should u not want wenger sacked if he cant do the job at hand?

Sorry but that is an overly simplistic way of putting things, I highly doubt any Arsenal fan is supporting Wenger because they support him first and foremost, the reason there are Arsenal fans who don't want Wenger sacked is because they either still believe he can do the job at hand or because they believe the problems go beyond Wenger (board, financial restrictions, etc.)

I don't really care about the Wenger discussion myself as I believe regardless of what one thinks of Wenger, that he will be at the club until the end of his contract in 2014. Wenger resigning or the board sacking him are two things that I can't see happening (unless things get much worse).

I see an Irish station has finally decided to put us on tv, but as usual, its the 6th game when we've already qualified and a team of reserves/youths is sent out. **** you RTE/TV3.

farna_boy · 03-12-2012 07:26PM

Was away for the weekend, so thankfully missed the game although it does sound like much of the same since the start of the season, the difference being we didn't get lucky and score to cover up the cracks.

I don't think firing Wenger now is a good idea. Like most others, I would much prefer to wait until the end of the season and see where we finish. It would be a shame to fire him now that we apparently have money to spend, but if he doesn't do the job the I guess we have little choice.

As regards the team itself. From what I have seen over the last few weeks, I really don't think 4-3-3 suits us with the players we have. I think our biggest problem is midfield. Yes the defence have been poor individually and collectively at times but our three man midfield are all essentially central midfielders and are playing as such. In my mind, if you are playing three in midfield, there should be one in the centre and one on either wing. When we play 4-3-3 though, we have the 3 players in the centre and it is leaving us vulnerable on the wings which is making the defence look worse.

Even if we changed to laying a 4-5-1, which is essentially the same, we may do better. The primary difference would be that the wingers are more defensively minded and that was the case, especially with Podolski at the start of the season. Now however, he is playing as a striker on the wing, rather than a winger who comes back to help out.

Maybe if we were able to change our 3 man midfield, 4-3-3 could work. If we played:

Ox - Wilshere/Arteta - Cazorla

we may see some improvement but I don't think Ox is strong enough there at the moment.

To a degree I think Wenger is playing the "popular game" when he plays our current 3. Cazorla is clearly a very good player and should be in the team. But how has Jack been playing? He is very popular with the fans and clearly loves the club. But is he the best player to be in a three man midfield? Does the play well with the other two? Or would we be better with someone other than Arteta? He was massive for us last year, but that was a different formation with different players. Do we need to try playing someone else instead of him?

To be honest, I don't really know the answer to a lot of these questions, but maybe they are the questions that need to be asked. Yes we all like Wilshere, but unfornuately, just because we like him, doesn't mean we should play him if he is the problem. (I'm not saying he is the problem by any means, but it's about time we looked hard at each player, putting aside our own feelings about them and try to find what is the best team, rather than the best individual players).

Overall, I would like to see a different formation. Personally, I think a 4-4-2 could be the formation that would suit us best, or a 4-4-1-1, but I don't think we will see either of them any time soon. For now, I would be happy with a 4-5-1, but I think that would come at a high cost of scoring and creating even less, but we may not concede as much either.

tayto lover · 03-12-2012 07:32PM

jonneymendoza wrote: »

i want to ask a question to u all.

do u support arsene wenger or arsenal the football club?

If u support the club first and foremost, should u not want wenger sacked if he cant do the job at hand?

I support Arsenal F.C.
I am not sure if sacking Wenger would be good or bad for the club BUT I would like to see him get the finger out and improve training, spirit, pride and effort.
After his first 5/6 years at the club he seems to have become more interested in the business side of the game than the football side.

He can do better than he is doing now for sure and needs a reality check. We are the same number of points from the bottom as we are from the top and that's simply not good enough for Arsenal.

Things cannot be allowed to continue as they are or last Saturdays march to the stadium and subsequent booing after yet another s*** performance from overpaid players will not be the last. Making excuses about the team being tired as it was their 3rd game in a week was childish and unprofessional too. Swansea had also played 3 games in a week too and with a smaller panel.

Get the finger out Arsene and do you're job.

extra gravy · 03-12-2012 07:59PM

Wenger: "We are in the country of Socrates. I know that I know nothing." At least he hasn't lost his sense of humour yet!

03-12-2012 08:37PM

extra gravy wrote: »

Wenger: "We are in the country of Socrates. I know that I know nothing." At least he hasn't lost his sense of humour yet!

He paid around £8m for Andre Santos sure how would he?

Gringo180 · 03-12-2012 08:46PM

tipp_Gunner wrote: »

He paid around £8m for Andre Santos sure how would he?

And plays him out of position, there is no way on earth he is a full back.

Mr.Micro · 03-12-2012 09:46PM

Santos is just in for the laugh and the odd strip he collects at half time, lol. Wenger has turned into a PR man now as well. He need to call it as it is, instead of dressing it up. The rot has set in.

Sergio · 03-12-2012 10:00PM

I dont agree with the attitude most of you have regarding not sacking AW at the moment or leaving him there till the end of the season. Bottom line is the man is being paid a huge salary and hes not getting results where it counts............ON THE PITCH!!!!!!
I for one have enough of his pre and post match comments that "the team has great spirit and mental strength" which we all know we clearly dont have it and havent had it for the past 7 years since our last trophy.
I know the man utd example is always being used but it sums the whole lot up in my opinion. They were terrible defensively and even in midfield last saturday at the madjedski stadium but they still managed to get all 3 points. That the winning mentality that gets them all 3 points in theses games consistently season after season.
I think its time for a change folks because wenger has had enough time in my opinion.

bad2dabone · 03-12-2012 10:04PM

lets assume Arsene doesn't sign another contract. Who to replace him?

tayto lover · 03-12-2012 10:10PM

bad2dabone wrote: »

lets assume Arsene doesn't sign another contract. Who to replace him?

Chris Hughton ? Very shrewd by all accounts. Getting great reviews at the moment and has his team playing lovely football. What would he do with our money?

Have to say I like Mourinho and Guardiola too.

03-12-2012 10:14PM

I'd stop watching football til he left if Mourinho became Arsenal manager.

tayto lover · 03-12-2012 10:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd stop watching football til he left if Mourinho became Arsenal manager.

He might end up at United anyway according to Ferguson.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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