Ballymaloe and Tim Allen the sex offender.

Paddy001 · 01-12-2012 11:50PM

johnr1 wrote: »

There was an interesting rumour doing the rounds about that case, which I'm not going to repeat here, - as both boards and I could be sued. Let's just say that it suggested that Tim Allen might not be the ogre we think he is.....

I don't buy their products either since then, and I used to love their relish. Wonder what's in it :pac:

I don't live too far away either, heard that rumour too! If were talking about the same rumour, it kind of makes sense, look at how they all stood by him the whole way through it!

Allyall · 01-12-2012 11:50PM

WAIT...

He didn't go to Jail? :eek:
€40,000 (Pittance to him) kept him out?

I never knew that. I did hear the rumours.. and I thought he was doing the time, but i didn't know that nobody went to prison...

I doubt the rumours were PR for him, as they have probably destroyed anyone else that may have been involved in the rumour.

He should've said he was researching a book...

byhookorbycrook · 01-12-2012 11:56PM

RATM wrote: »

That's exactly it.

Ballymaloe is a multi-million euro business that him and Darina built up over a long time. I've no idea what Tim's cut is worth but I'd have no doubt it is in the millions and has been growing even bigger since he was convicted back in 2003.

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I think you will find that it was Myrtle Allen who "built" Ballymaloe,up from a shabby old house to the name that drew Darina and later Rachel to work there.

Grayson · 02-12-2012 12:01AM

RATM wrote: »

That's exactly it.

People here are saying that we shouldn't punish the family of a criminal and in a normal situation I'd agree. However this is a unique situation whereby we have the choice to buy or not to buy a product that the family directly profit from. And as the family are sticking by Tim Allen then he himself benefits from the profits whenever you buy their relish or cookbooks or whatever.

Ballymaloe is a multi-million euro business that him and Darina built up over a long time. I've no idea what Tim's cut is worth but I'd have no doubt it is in the millions and has been growing even bigger since he was convicted back in 2003.

It would be totally different if the family disowned him. Then I would consider buying their relish. But as it stands those who do buy their relish are contributing to the financial well-being of a paedophile, whether you like it or not.

I agree. I never got how the company got let off so lightly. People just kind of ignored it and pretended it never happened. I think they still protested his innocence. Didn't he run with the defence that a virus had downloaded them or something like that. But he'd paid for the images.

Actually, I just went and googled it

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/rte-backs-darina-against-husbands-child-porn-furore-168520.html

In a case that shocked the nation, chef Tim Allen pleaded guilty in January 2003 to possessing 977 pornographic images of young children. He was caught as part of the gardai's Operation Amethyst which tracked internet users who paid for child pornography with credit cards.

He was given community service, put on the sex offenders register and ordered to pay ?40,000 to a children's charity. Darina Allen was entirely blameless in the whole affair.

And there's another longer article about the coverage
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/shameful-truth-that-lay-behind-ballymaloes-wholesome-image-487933.html

JustAThought · 02-12-2012 12:03AM

Child.sexual.abuse is.a.horrific.crime.

Somebodys little.children were.raped and.molested so that.this Ballymaloe pervert could sit at.his PC.and.ogle over a thousand images.of.children being raped.and.molested.

If.I recall correctly it was.the not a convicted.paedophile Judge Curtain who sentenced him.

BALLYMALOE HOUSE advertise internationally as a child welcoming holiday.destination + feature a " welcoming" playground outside in its gardens. And a.convicted child paedophile inside.

Revolting

Grayson · 02-12-2012 12:08AM

JustAThought wrote: »

Child.sexual.abuse is.a.horrific.crime.

Somebodys little.children were.raped and.molested so that.this Ballymaloe pervert could sit at.his PC.and.ogle over a thousand images.of.children being raped.and.molested.

If.I recall correctly it was.the not a convicted.paedophile Judge Curtain who sentenced him.

BALLYMALOE HOUSE advertise internationally as a child welcoming holiday.destination + feature a " welcoming" playground outside in its gardens. And a.convicted child paedophile inside.

Revolting

Different judge.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/judge-in-tim-allen-case-stands-by-sentence-3210222.html

Odysseus · 02-12-2012 12:10AM

RATM wrote: »

That's exactly it.

People here are saying that we shouldn't punish the family of a criminal and in a normal situation I'd agree. However this is a unique situation whereby we have the choice to buy or not to buy a product that the family directly profit from. And as the family are sticking by Tim Allen then he himself benefits from the profits whenever you buy their relish or cookbooks or whatever.

Ballymaloe is a multi-million euro business that him and Darina built up over a long time. I've no idea what Tim's cut is worth but I'd have no doubt it is in the millions and has been growing even bigger since he was convicted back in 2003.

It would be totally different if the family disowned him. Then I would consider buying their relish. But as it stands those who do buy their relish are contributing to the financial wellbeing of a paedophile, whether you like it or not.

I don't think I purchase any of their products, but it wouldn't stop me. He was caught, shamed and placed on the sex offenders list. He was punished by our courts and that is it as far as I'm concerned.

If you won't buy any of their product because of his offense, what about other convicted offenders should they not be allowed to engage in employment?

Duiske · 02-12-2012 12:11AM

hardCopy wrote: »

Does he still live and work with his brother?

Nope.

JustAThought · 02-12-2012 12:19AM

The children whose lives were shredded + ripped apart by the sexual violence + rapes they were forced to submit to are still suffering. A thousand images is a child raped every other day for ten years. To satisfy Ballymaloe Relish Tim Allen.

Hardly a forgivable or forgettable sex crime.

swimming in a sea · 02-12-2012 12:57AM

As for that Allen guy getting off lightly, well that's the Irish way. I know of an abuser who died only a few years ago and the mother of one of the kids he abused went to the funeral and half of the parish went who also knew what he was, a few weeks later they found the kid now an adult hanging from a tree.

Never let these Fu*kers away with it, they cause a life time of pain for others.

mikom · 02-12-2012 01:11AM

johnr1 wrote: »

There was an interesting rumour doing the rounds about that case, which I'm not going to repeat here, - as both boards and I could be sued. Let's just say that it suggested that Tim Allen might not be the ogre we think he is.....

I'll just leave this here....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4LX8PPMuOY

billybudd · 02-12-2012 01:57AM

Ms Allen, back at work with her husband instructing students on a 12-week course at their internationally known Ballymaloe Cookery School at Shanagarry, Co Cork, said: "I've been married to Tim for 32 years and I absolutely still love him. I am married to a good and decent and honourable man."

**** them.

You cant blame a family for one persons actions but when you go above and beyond to paint them as a decent and hourourable person after they contributed to the abuse of children, well **** them.

When you watch children being abused in any form whether that is in reality or on an electronic device well then you are a contributor and if a family want to stand by a person like this and help them well thats fine but coming out to news papers and radios and so on and sprouting the words ''honourable and decent'' amongst others, well again **** you and your relish.

TheFisherKing · 02-12-2012 02:13AM

GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

When I saw the title my Home Improvement memories imploded:(

Well, he wasn't exactly all that wholesome himself. Did a few years for drug dealing back in the late 70's and could have been life imprisonment only he did a Henry Hill and gave up the names of some other dealers.

Zaph · 02-12-2012 02:50AM

round tower huntsman, I've deleted your post. If you want to post potentially libellous statements on the internet, please do so on your own website.

meoklmrk91 · 02-12-2012 02:55AM

OU812 wrote: »

Personally have never bought an Allen family product since. Wouldn't have them in the house.

Haven't bought any of Rachel's books & means I also stopped buying in o'briens sandwiches.

If a business uses them, they lose me as a customer.

Find it completely offensive that he "got away" with it.

Why O Briens? Do they use the relish?

I never knew about any of this, was a bit too young in 2003, certainly not nice stuff, don't thinks will be buying any if their products again, like others have said I don't want to punish his family but I will not support anyone convicted of a crime against children particularly not one as serious as this.

round tower huntsman · 02-12-2012 02:57AM

must be true so.

Allyall · 02-12-2012 02:57AM

I had been busy editing..

I'm still a little in shock baffled, why nobody went to prison..

as Far as i'm concerned, worst offences are

1. Child Abuse (sexual or otherwise)
2. Murder
3. Rape
4. etc..

I acknowledge looking may not be the same, but it encourages..

It's disgusting, why anyone would even want to see something like that. I can't understand, but then, there is plenty i don't understand..

Sik fúk.

round tower huntsman · 02-12-2012 02:59AM

rich middle class toff escapes jail time for devient sexual offences!!!!!!!!!surely not. not in ireland.

Allyall · 02-12-2012 03:02AM

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Why O Briens? Do they use the relish?

I never knew about any of this, was a bit too young in 2003, certainly not nice stuff, don't thinks will be buying any if their products again, like others have said I don't want to punish his family but I will not support anyone convicted of a crime against children particularly not one as serious as this.

Thierry Henry got banned from gillette for that goal..

Tiger because he had an affair.

Third guy ( I can't remember who) was just unlucky..

O'Briens sponsor a sandwich

made by someone who is proud to be part of the family of people who, paid to stay out of jail for the sickest crime i can think of..

I think the fact that he admitted and was able to pay to stay out of prison, throws a whole new light on it --- for me..

I would distance myself from that person, be it my brother, father, son or uncle Hitler.

Holsten · 02-12-2012 03:38AM

Allyall wrote: »

I had been busy editing..

I'm still a little in shock baffled, why nobody went to prison..

as Far as i'm concerned, worst offences are

1. Child Abuse (sexual or otherwise)
2. Murder
3. Rape
4. etc..

I acknowledge looking may not be the same, but it encourages..

It's disgusting, why anyone would even want to see something like that. I can't understand, but then, there is plenty i don't understand..

Sik fúk.

How the hell is child abuse worse than Murder? That is just stupid.

In my view he did encourage child abuse as he paid for this stuff.

This was years ago, he got his punishment and has not re offended since.

Allyall · 02-12-2012 03:49AM

Holsten wrote: »

How the hell is child abuse worse than Murder? That is just stupid.

In my view he did encourage child abuse as he paid for this stuff.

This was years ago, he got his punishment and has not re offended since.

Wut??

That's my opinion..

"That is just stupid." - Okay.. you're right, I'm wrong.. :rolleyes:

I think It's worse. Most of the time. Murder is Heinous.
But Child abuse, is repeated again and again and again. :mad::mad: and again.

He didn't get his punishment, did he? I thought he paid €40,000 to not get jail? I may be wrong, but it's what i picked up.

Yellowblackbird · 02-12-2012 04:44AM

godeas16 wrote: »

Yeah but it doesn't equate to doing it a la Jimmy Saville, he videod nothing.

The man that "videod" the abused children did so because he gets money from the men that watch it.

They are co-guilty of the same crime.

Odysseus · 02-12-2012 05:10AM

swimming in a sea wrote: »

As for that Allen guy getting off lightly, well that's the Irish way. I know of an abuser who died only a few years ago and the mother of one of the kids he abused went to the funeral and half of the parish went who also knew what he was, a few weeks later they found the kid now an adult hanging from a tree.

Never let these Fu*kers away with it, they cause a life time of pain for others.

I honestly don't know. I have spent a lot of time exploring my position in relation to those who engage in such acts. Still do to be fair.

I have had a fair few people say something along the lines of:
He may have done some very natsy things to me, but he was still my brother/father etc.

Now if some people who have experience abuse can possess the strenght explore their life and be able to state something like this; it would tell me I need to be more open about this type of person.

Maximus Alexander · 02-12-2012 05:41AM

As sick as it is in itself, how people can say looking at images is equivalent to abusing a child really blows my mind.

I'll put it to you this way, I'd rather he had looked at images of some poor child who had already been abused, than went and abused another one.

later12 · 02-12-2012 05:55AM

what on earth is the point of this thread?

the thing has been dealt with; it is unfair to revisit it upon the the family of the individuals in question and amounts to little more than suddenly remembered chatter, designed to magnify the distress of innocent people who have had the misfortune of being related to individuals involved in a news story to which they, as mere relatives, were not a party in any way, shape or form.

I really wonder what the relevance of this is today.

As an aside, I would say this; Lord Leveson recently had a lot to say about unfair media reporting, and he flattered the Irish press regulatory system a good deal in his recent report. I think it is an awful shame on our media, and a denigration of his praises that such unfair commentary has been allowed to fester and be perpetuated in this manner, without any real or accessible recourse by those innocents who are or were adversely affected by such public remarks.

Perhaps that is just the nature of the internet, but I think that self evidently unfair threads of this nature reflect poorly upon both the Irish media which includes the online media, and this website.

Scioch · 02-12-2012 05:57AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

As sick as it is in itself, how people can say looking at images is equivalent to abusing a child really blows my mind.

I'll put it to you this way, I'd rather he had looked at images of some poor child who had already been abused, than went and abused another one.

I'll put it this way I'd rather no kids are abused so lets cut the balls off every sick fcuk we find who has any involvement whatsoever in it. Whether they abuse a kid, sell the images, buy the images or what. Its all part of the problem and its all part of the abuse.

Maximus Alexander · 02-12-2012 06:02AM

Scioch wrote: »

I'll put it this way I'd rather no kids are abused so lets cut the balls off every sick fcuk we find who has any involvement whatsoever in it. Whether they abuse a kid, sell the images, buy the images or what. Its all part of the problem and its all part of the abuse.

I'm not excusing his actions. It's sick. Clearly in an ideal world no children would be abused. All I'm saying is that the two are not equivalent.

Scioch · 02-12-2012 06:16AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I'm not excusing his actions. It's sick. Clearly in an ideal world no children would be abused. All I'm saying is that the two are not equivalent.

Financing child abusers isnt exactly detached from the crime though. He's contributing to a demand for more kids to be abused.

opti0nal · 02-12-2012 06:20AM

Scioch wrote: »

I'll put it this way I'd rather no kids are abused so lets cut the balls off every sick fcuk we find who has any involvement whatsoever in it.

Do you often entertain thoughts of maiming others? What is going on for you when you feel those urges?

Scioch · 02-12-2012 06:47AM

opti0nal wrote: »

Do you often entertain thoughts of maiming others? What is going on for you when you feel those urges?

Well doctor, ever since my lunch box was robbed when I was 5 I have been having these urges to dispense my own personal brand of justice. :rolleyes:

Ballymaloe and Tim Allen the sex offender.

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