prime time cut my dole .

melekalikimaka · 30-11-2012 12:31AM

be glad when dole falls into line with uk, suddenly alot of long term unemployed will be working, thats fairly assured, cost of living will drop and we will be back to square one of the 90s and the circle will begin again.

tayto lover · 30-11-2012 12:32AM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

be glad when dole falls into line with uk, suddenly alot of long term unemployed will be working, thats fairly assured, cost of living will drop and we will be back to square one of the 90s and the circle will begin again.

And just where are they going to get jobs when the educated with degrees can't get them?

awec · 30-11-2012 12:35AM

They should give out vouchers instead of cash.

Smidge · 30-11-2012 12:40AM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

be glad when dole falls into line with uk, suddenly alot of long term unemployed will be working, thats fairly assured, cost of living will drop and we will be back to square one of the 90s and the circle will begin again.

I'm not sure if this is a serious post

You do know the 90's was when the boom began?
Is that the circle you are thinking will "begin again" by cutting people off the dole?

Also, will people pleeeaasse stop making comparisons between Ireland and the Uk, it is incomparable as they cost of living and their social structure is completely different to ours.

duinegorm · 30-11-2012 12:45AM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

be glad when dole falls into line with uk, suddenly alot of long term unemployed will be working, thats fairly assured, cost of living will drop and we will be back to square one of the 90s and the circle will begin again.

2500 applied for position as fireman in Cork. 18 jobs going. You think it's right to cut the dole of those trying to get a job? I used to think like you and looked down my nose at long term unemployed, then I was made redundant along with hundreds of other hard working employees and have seen the struggle my former colleagues have gone through ever since to get jobs or watched friends leave the country probably never to return to live here again. I know of so many friends and former colleagues who are in a bad way money wise and would be devastated if their dole is cut. Do you think they should leave their country if theres no work for them and that they shouldn't expect handouts? Is that how it's gone these days, those who have jobs thinking that those who have lost theirs better get one quickly and if they can't they had better leave quickly.

El_Dangeroso · 30-11-2012 12:48AM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

be glad when dole falls into line with uk, suddenly alot of long term unemployed will be working, thats fairly assured, cost of living will drop and we will be back to square one of the 90s and the circle will begin again.

Will they? I mean I think there's not a lot of jobs out there for people who want to work. What chance does someone who has never worked have?

uch · 30-11-2012 12:50AM

pithater1 wrote: »

Good man Davie, made the mistake of getting into a beer fuelled 'debate' with him once, never again, back into my box was I put

Who mentioned Beer Fueled Debates ??

Miss Lockhart · 30-11-2012 01:00AM

IBEC are such a useless bunch of wasters. I wouldn't pay any heed to them.

repsol · 30-11-2012 01:13AM

There have been a few debates on this subject on Boards.ie recently and they seem to come down to one side saying doleys are bone idle scroungers(cut it) versus the other side saying that nobody wants to be on the dole and they are struggling(increase it).
My own position is that I have a job. I would like to see people who have worked and are just unlucky to have lost their job being treated totally different to those who have NEVER worked or refuse work.The former should be given a decent amount to live on and any free training or help they need to get back into the workforce or to start a new enterprise.The latter group should be given 6 months notice after which they should be cut off completely like they do in the states.We cannot continue with a situation were someone decides they are going to be a parasite for life and pay them every week to do it.The money saved would pay for extra carers allowances,services for the elderly and disabled,SNA's etc which have all been slashed

SCOOP 64 · 30-11-2012 01:19AM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

be glad when dole falls into line with uk, suddenly alot of long term unemployed will be working, thats fairly assured, cost of living will drop and we will be back to square one of the 90s and the circle will begin again.

uk a couple with 2 kids €357 a week

Ireland A couple with 2 kids €371

not much in it!

Monty Burnz · 30-11-2012 01:23AM

btard wrote: »

I feel her pain. Can't get rich on other peoples sweat if the bastards won't work for peanuts.

Won't NOT work for peanuts, you mean?

Yeah, screw her and all those bastards who create employment. They can shove their risk taking where the sun don't shine. Why don't they just sit on their holes and wait for others to come up with jobs like the rest of us?

elperello · 30-11-2012 01:24AM

IBEC and Small Firms Association are two parts of the same organisation.

TESCO are members of IBEC so shopping in TESCO is supporting IBEC indirectly.

Smidge · 30-11-2012 01:28AM

nig1 wrote: »

uk a couple with 2 kids €357 a week

Ireland A couple with 2 kids €371

not much in it!

I was looking for information like that, couldn't find it so fair play

The UK amount on balance, even though 14 euro less, would end up meaning more in the UK recipients pockets due to cheaper utility bills, cheaper food, cheaper road tax etc etc

P_1 · 30-11-2012 01:34AM

uch wrote: »

Who mentioned Beer Fueled Debates ??

it was a side comment about the other debate on the show

billybudd · 30-11-2012 01:37AM

tayto lover wrote: »

Why do you think an employer is suggesting it?

So she can get a better pedigree of person for a min wage job?

Monty Burnz · 30-11-2012 01:37AM

Smidge wrote: »

I was looking for information like that, couldn't find it so fair play

The UK amount on balance, even though 14 euro less, would end up meaning more in the UK recipients pockets due to cheaper utility bills, cheaper food, cheaper road tax etc etc

You have to pay council tax in the UK though, and at a rate which makes our forthcoming property tax look like peanuts.

billybudd · 30-11-2012 01:41AM

tayto lover wrote: »

And just where are they going to get jobs when the educated with degrees can't get them?

One of the problems is that people with degrees are waiting for jobs in their chosen field when in reality there is none so they can probaly comfortably live on the dole until such a day arises when they can get a job in that field as opposed to working in spar for instance on min wage.

whatdoicare · 30-11-2012 01:49AM

billybudd wrote: »

One of the problems is that people with degrees are waiting for jobs in their chosen field when in reality there is none so they can probaly comfortably live on the dole until such a day arises when they can get a job in that field as opposed to working in spar for instance on min wage.

I have a degree and I'm working in Supermacs, I'm there right now! Wahey!

JonathanAnon · 30-11-2012 01:49AM

joydivision wrote: »

Im gonna shop in tesco from now on . Good luck small businesses . Feel free to thank your spokeswoman on the way out .

good idea.. kill off ALL of the private businesses, and see how long Europe are prepared to continue paying for the Irish dole..

billybudd · 30-11-2012 01:52AM

whatdoicare wrote: »

I have a degree and I'm working in Supermacs, I'm there right now! Wahey!

Your the exception so :pac: get back to work dosser.

repsol · 30-11-2012 01:53AM

whatdoicare wrote: »

I have a degree and I'm working in Supermacs, I'm there right now! Wahey!

Stop dossing and do some work!:p

B.A._Baracus · 30-11-2012 01:54AM

Its funny. Its always the other side that has an issue with things.

- Someone who says 'cut the dole' is working. (aka, wont effect them)
- Someone who says cut childrens allowance doesnt have kids (aka, wont effect them)
- Someone who says cut the pensioners is decades away from becoming one themself (aka, wont effect them)
- Someone who says the min wage should be lowered is on a nice wage him/herself or runs a business (aka, wont effect them / would benefit them)
- I could go on....

As each day passes in my life I am just being soured on people. It's all "me me me" , "my gain" , "As long as i'm alright jack!" ... why should anyone be any different in life? its foolish not to be a rouge these days.

CRM Ireland · 30-11-2012 01:54AM

Id say cutting the dole would be a great idea. Its far far far too generous in this country. Where is the incentive to work if life is fairly easy without having to do anything for it?

Smidge · 30-11-2012 02:02AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

You have to pay council tax in the UK though, and at a rate which makes our forthcoming property tax look like peanuts.

But you do know that they actually GET services for it?

And it wouldn't make the property tax look like peanuts considering all of which the UK's council tax covers ie water, bins, schools(buses, books,preschools in some cases)maintenance of the local areas including much better children facilities/parks/playgrounds than we have.

Monty Burnz · 30-11-2012 08:25AM

Smidge wrote: »

But you do know that they actually GET services for it?

And it wouldn't make the property tax look like peanuts considering all of which the UK's council tax covers ie water, bins, schools(buses, books,preschools in some cases)maintenance of the local areas including much better children facilities/parks/playgrounds than we have.

You actually get stuff for the tax you pay here too - but in the UK they have the wit to spell it out for you and show a breakdown in your council tax. We can thank Fianna Failure for scrapping rates here to buy an election in the seventies, resulting in our over-reliance on income and transaction taxes. And we can thank them for their reintroduction by making it part of the bailout deal with the troika, and of course by destroying the economy in the first place with the property bubble.

repsol · 30-11-2012 11:00AM

CRM Ireland wrote: »

Id say cutting the dole would be a great idea. Its far far far too generous in this country. Where is the incentive to work if life is fairly easy without having to do anything for it?

I agree with you .The problem is "the dole" is too broad a term.It is unfair to put for example, people who have worked for years in a company that has just closed down in the same category as someone in the 25-60 age group who has NEVER WORKED (there are a lot of people in this category).For certain groups,it is almost like going into the family business when you sign on the dole.I know a guy who is 32 and he has never worked.He has 4 brothers who don't work and his father doesn't work.His sister has a good job but she is the exception.This guy told me that his long term "goal" is to get on "the sick" as his brother is on that and he gets extra benefits.This cycle must be broken.Kids must learn growing up that you get nothing for nothing.If my dad was a waster,chances are I would have turned out the same.I saw my dad work hard all his life so going on "the scratcher" when leaving school would not be an option.You got a job, end of story. If you couldn't find a good job, you took a crap job until a better one came along.Being long term unemployed(people cannot help short term unemployment) runs in families.So does working hard!

joydivision · 30-11-2012 11:14AM

People still dont reise there are no jobs .
A fella pointed out 45000 irish people lost their jobs in such a time frame whilst 15000 foreigners got jobs . This is a prime time expert . This expert then says " yak yak yak the irish dont want these jobs " .
At first it looks to me like companies are letting 3 Irish go and taking on one foreign lad .
Then he goes on to say the bulk of jobs are in the high skill sector .
Expert doesnt know where hes going with his point .
Small business want their workers on the breadline and people on the dole to starve .
Thats their thoughts on this . Simple .
I always tried to shop local when I could but they can go to hell now .

KungPao · 30-11-2012 11:19AM

repsol wrote: »

I agree with you .The problem is "the dole" is too broad a term.It is unfair to put for example, people who have worked for years in a company that has just closed down in the same category as someone in the 25-60 age group who has NEVER WORKED (there are a lot of people in this category).For certain groups,it is almost like going into the family business when you sign on the dole.I know a guy who is 32 and he has never worked.He has 4 brothers who don't work and his father doesn't work.His sister has a good job but she is the exception.This guy told me that his long term "goal" is to get on "the sick" as his brother is on that and he gets extra benefits.This cycle must be broken.Kids must learn growing up that you get nothing for nothing.If my dad was a waster,chances are I would have turned out the same.I saw my dad work hard all his life so going on "the scratcher" when leaving school would not be an option.You got a job, end of story. If you couldn't find a good job, you took a crap job until a better one came along.Being long term unemployed(people cannot help short term unemployment) runs in families.So does working hard!

Jesus. That's depressing stuff.

testicle · 30-11-2012 11:24AM

FionnMcCool87 wrote: »

They're talking about nuclear power now. Are the government planning on wiping out all the people on the dole?

Hope so

Kev_2012 · 30-11-2012 11:24AM

The best one I've seen was the ad for Feargal Quinn's Retail Therapy and he's going on about how he always liked the smaller local shops and it's such a shame that they are becoming rarer...

The man opened a f*cking supermarket! He helped to their downfall, hypocrite!

prime time cut my dole .

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