Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

GeorgeBailey · 29-11-2012 09:27AM

Frisbee wrote: »

Point away to Everton is decent, but not good enough considering we drew with Villa and with the form we're in you wouldn't be surprised to see Swansea beat us either.

I'd be surprised to see Swansea win. Tbh I'd be surprised to see anything other than a draw.

jester77 · 29-11-2012 09:37AM

Missing out on CL would be a disaster. It would be very difficult to attract quality players and those that we do have would start looking to leave. We would end up in a position where it would be very difficult to get back, Liverpool are an example of that now. The top players look at the 4 CL teams before considering the rest. IMO, missing out on CL is our equivalent of relegation.

tayto lover · 29-11-2012 11:14AM

2ndcoming wrote: »

I'm not sure if Galvasean was being ironic earlier when he said we need to get our act together because Swansea have bucked up their ideas. I hope so.

I'm the most optimistic man you'll meet when it comes to the Arsenal, but it's worth noting that after we "fell apart" at the start of last season, the worst start to a season in living memory, we still had 36 points after 19 games. It'll be interesting what our tally is after 19 this season

We'd have to win our next 5 in a row to match that exactly.
Highly unlikely.
To the posters saying that we can afford to miss out on CL football as we have money in the bank, that's madness.
We should spend some of that in Jan and push to be in the Top 4. If you are out of it then it becomes very hard to get back in there.
I think we have a good enough squad but they need a kick up the backside badly.

greendom · 29-11-2012 11:24AM

If Walcott ends up at another EPL club that could just be the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

29-11-2012 12:46PM

tayto lover wrote: »

To the posters saying that we can afford to miss out on CL football as we have money in the bank, that's madness.

Think that was more of a "the board could be thinking..." kind of post.

We very much need an excellent run soon. It comes back to ambitions. When draws against teams like Sunderland and Stoke are acceptable it means that we don't expect to win at least 10 matches a season against actually good teams. There's probably 8 teams against whom some would say a point is a "good result". Assuming no slip-ups against the dross (away draws somehow acceptable) drawing with those 8 teams twice and winning the rest still nowhere near approaches a league winning total.

Sergio · 29-11-2012 03:44PM

I think were a long way off from the top 2 at the moment. Man utd arent playing well by any means but are still grinding out results and winning games like away to villa they were 2-0 down and came back and won 3-2 and last night they scrapped out a 1-0 win against west ham.

tayto lover · 29-11-2012 03:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Think that was more of a "the board could be thinking..." kind of post.

We very much need an excellent run soon. It comes back to ambitions. When draws against teams like Sunderland and Stoke are acceptable it means that we don't expect to win at least 10 matches a season against actually good teams. There's probably 8 teams against whom some would say a point is a "good result". Assuming no slip-ups against the dross (away draws somehow acceptable) drawing with those 8 teams twice and winning the rest still nowhere near approaches a league winning total.

There is not much wrong with the squad. Maybe missing 2/3 good players.
The main things that are wrong could easily be fixed with proper work on the training ground. Making sure our passing is accurate and our crosses cause the opposition a lot of trouble. That and the poor attitude of some players who think they are irreplaceable or guaranteed their place no matter what. The manager and trainers could fix most of that in a week with plenty of hard work.

Galvasean · 29-11-2012 05:10PM

I see Koscielny went off in the first half . Injured?

greendom · 29-11-2012 05:13PM

Galvasean wrote: »

I see Koscielny went off in the first half . Injured?

I think people were guessing 3 weeks out when it first happened. We'll have to wait for the press conference to see if that is optimistic or pessimistic.

he walked off - (supported) so it could be worse I guess

tayto lover · 29-11-2012 05:18PM

Galvasean wrote: »

I see Koscielny went off in the first half . Injured?

Out until Christmas or after it if our players injury problems are anything to go by

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2240238/Arsenal-defender-Laurent-Koscielny-Christmas-groin-injury.html

At least it wasn't this from the same page
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2239722/Video-butt-implant-surgery-goes-horribly-wrong.html?ICO=most_read_module

slingerz · 29-11-2012 05:45PM

greendom wrote: »

If Walcott ends up at another EPL club that could just be the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

Do you think that he actually will leave?

Pierce_1991 · 29-11-2012 05:55PM

slingerz wrote: »

Do you think that he actually will leave?

I personally can't see him staying. It's like when you watch enough gangster movies you know which guy is gonna get whacked. I've seen this type of situation arise enough times to know he's on his way out the door.

Drexel · 29-11-2012 06:48PM

Pierce_1991 wrote: »

I personally can't see him staying. It's like when you watch enough gangster movies you know which guy is gonna get whacked. I've seen this type of situation arise enough times to know he's on his way out the door.

There is no chance he is staying. That would be done and dusted by now if he was.

I can't see him going to Liverpool tho. City I reckon. They have no pacy wingers really. Scott Sinclair maybe I suppose but sill reckon he is off to city.

MaxPower89 · 29-11-2012 07:29PM

Theo leaving would be a major blow and very disappointing, Chamberlain might fill his boots in a few years, but isnt a patch on him at the moment.

I'm looking forward to seeing Rosicky back in the squad, lets hope he can find last seasons form, he running ability with the ball is missing from the midfield at the moment.

purplepanda · 29-11-2012 07:48PM

Anyone over for the Fulham home game is welcome to join the BSM protest

The BSM Walk
Our walk takes place on Saturday 1 December. We're meeting outside Cannons public house on Blackstock Road (opposite The Gunners pub) from 1.30pm and will leave at 2pm. Just around the corner by the old Highbury Stadium

More details on the BSM campaign

http://www.blackscarfafc.co.uk/#/news-bsm-walk-pre-swansea/4570603265

Galvasean · 29-11-2012 08:05PM

purplepanda wrote: »

Anyone over for the Fulham home game is welcome to join the BSM protest

The BSM Walk
Our walk takes place on Saturday 1 December. We're meeting outside Cannons public house on Blackstock Road (opposite The Gunners pub) from 1.30pm and will leave at 2pm. Just around the corner by the old Highbury Stadium

More details on the BSM campaign

http://www.blackscarfafc.co.uk/#/news-bsm-walk-pre-swansea/4570603265

I might just book a flight to London just so I can attend...

....and point and laugh at them.

emergingstar · 29-11-2012 08:55PM

I've changed my tune and I think Walcott will stay

KINGVictor · 29-11-2012 09:06PM

jonny666 wrote: »

There is no chance he is staying. That would be done and dusted by now if he was.

I can't see him going to Liverpool tho. City I reckon. They have no pacy wingers really. Scott Sinclair maybe I suppose but sill reckon he is off to city.

On the contrary, I actually see him signing a new contract in the near future. I feel its currently a case of him haggling out the best deal he can get. I know a number of clubs are interested in him but I dont see any offering him to play in the middle like he wants- not even Liverpool would place Theo as a striker.

My suspicion is that he is trying to get a few extra quid and some form of recognition (deservedly I would say); I think this debacle will be put to rest before the January transfer window commences. He is an asset alright but a RVP he is not. The two clubs that have shown interest in the EPL are Man City and Liverpool- he should know he would waste away at City and I dont see Arsene letting him go to Pool without Sterling coming to us, which in itself is not a bad idea to be frank.

Drexel · 29-11-2012 09:23PM

KINGVictor wrote: »

On the contrary, I actually see him signing a new contract in the near future. I feel its currently a case of him haggling out the best deal he can get. I know a number of clubs are interested in him but I dont see any offering him to play in the middle like he wants- not even Liverpool would place Theo as a striker.

My suspicion is that he is trying to get a few extra quid and some form of recognition (deservedly I would say); I think this debacle will be put to rest before the January transfer window commences. He is an asset alright but a RVP he is not. The two clubs that have shown interest in the EPL are Man City and Liverpool- he should know he would waste away at City and I dont see Arsene letting him go to Pool without Sterling coming to us, which in itself is not a bad idea to be frank.

I don't buy this I want to play through the middle stuff with him at all.maybe he does but no one is going to play him through the middle and he has to know that.

In a month or so he is free to sign a pre contract with someone with a massive signing on fee and prob more per week. I just dont see him staying.

I can't remember any player who's contract has run down this much that has resigned for the same club.

I've lost all faith in footballers. It's 99% about the money

robby^5 · 29-11-2012 10:44PM

jonny666 wrote: »

I've lost all faith in footballers. It's 99% about the money

It's just a job to them, cant expect a footballer to care as much about the club as supporters do. If all footballers had that loyalty then we wouldn't even have this problem with Theo as he'd still be playing for Southampton.

Oregano_State · 29-11-2012 10:44PM

jonny666 wrote: »

I don't buy this I want to play through the middle stuff with him at all.maybe he does but no one is going to play him through the middle and he has to know that.

In a month or so he is free to sign a pre contract with someone with a massive signing on fee and prob more per week. I just dont see him staying.

I can't remember any player who's contract has run down this much that has resigned for the same club.

I've lost all faith in footballers. It's 99% about the money

Irony

:pac:

Galvasean · 29-11-2012 11:21PM

KINGVictor wrote: »

The two clubs that have shown interest in the EPL are Man City and Liverpool- he should know he would waste away at City and I dont see Arsene letting him go to Pool without Sterling coming to us, which in itself is not a bad idea to be frank.

If he went to City there's no way they'd play him down the middle. Seriously, who would you drop to accomodate him? Aguero? Tevez? Dzeko? Balotelli?
Can't see him moving to 'pool either. He'd essentially be kissing Champion's League football goodbye for an extra season.
If Chelsea went in for him I could see him going there though. They don't have the intense competition at CF and will almost certainly be in the CL net season.

tayto lover · 29-11-2012 11:25PM

Walcott is simply too small to play in the middle. He is a winger and an average one too although I do see improvement in him this season. He might be cutting his own throat by moving from Arsenal.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 29-11-2012 11:48PM

I don't see what club Walcott would be playing up front for. Chelsea maybe? Although he's not exactly a big enough name for them. Pool aren't going to play him ahead of Suarez.

gnfnrhead · 30-11-2012 01:35AM

jonny666 wrote: »

I can't remember any player who's contract has run down this much that has resigned for the same club.

Bergkamp did for several years when he would only get offered one year deals. Not sure how many times but he was on the one year deals for a bit IIRC.

wandatowell · 30-11-2012 08:14AM

jonny666 wrote: »

I can't remember any player who's contract has run down this much that has resigned for the same club.

Good point, never thought about it that way before.

1mcampo1 · 30-11-2012 12:50PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Walcott is simply too small to play in the middle. He is a winger and an average one too although I do see improvement in him this season. He might be cutting his own throat by moving from Arsenal.

eh...look at Messi :P

But really, for a team who doesn't put in that many crosses, a tactic or just down to the players inability to, they need a finisher in the box. Walcott is a finisher

Gringo180 · 30-11-2012 12:59PM

I dont get people saying Walcott is too small to play up front, his main asset is his pace and if he gets first run on you theres no catching him and 9 times out of ten he will stick it in the back of the net. Reminds me a bit of Michael Owen although in saying that I would rate Owen the more natural finisher.

keano_afc · 30-11-2012 01:48PM

purplepanda wrote: »

Anyone over for the Fulham home game is welcome to join the BSM protest

The BSM Walk
Our walk takes place on Saturday 1 December. We're meeting outside Cannons public house on Blackstock Road (opposite The Gunners pub) from 1.30pm and will leave at 2pm. Just around the corner by the old Highbury Stadium

More details on the BSM campaign

http://www.blackscarfafc.co.uk/#/news-bsm-walk-pre-swansea/4570603265

I love how civilised Arsenal fans are. Its not a protest march, its a protest walk.

Galvasean · 30-11-2012 04:15PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Bergkamp did for several years when he would only get offered one year deals. Not sure how many times but he was on the one year deals for a bit IIRC.

IIRC, the last two seasons weren't even one year deals, but 'paid when you play' deals.

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