A Land With No Hope

hooradiation · 29-11-2012 04:02PM

SuperGrover wrote: »

This nonsense discredits the believability of the rest of your post for me.

Honestly, that's not the only part that reeks of nonsense.

Drakares · 29-11-2012 04:05PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

Because the "reall GAA men" are the ones who are at the heart of the rot. The same bastards will be on Nationwide next year moaning about the lack of players for clubs due to emigrations.

The ironny being their "real GAA man" mindset CAUSED the problem.

So your small town in the middle of nowhere has nothing in it and the country is in ruin?

And what has GAA to do with anything? It looks like your mindset is the problem, not someone elses.

jester77 · 29-11-2012 04:11PM

I'm returning to Ireland and opening a shop that sells pitchforks... I'll be riiichhhh

Spiritual · 29-11-2012 04:12PM

OP, just back to the landlord's brother, the headmaster and his ban on rugby. What did the boys in your town that hadn't the skills to play proper sports do.
Isn't this what rugby is for, giving the boys with no actually coordination a chance to get some exercise.

I am shocked that this is allowed go on in this age of obesity.

Spiritual · 29-11-2012 04:13PM

jester77 wrote: »

I'm returning to Ireland and opening a shop that sells pitchforks... I'll be riiichhhh

Nope, everyone already has one. Market saturation.

loggedoff · 29-11-2012 04:13PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I dont think Bertie Ahern was a big GAA man I thought he preferred the soccer ball?

He spent enough time getting free tickets to croker!

mcwinning · 29-11-2012 04:14PM

I don't think the rant was directed at the GAA as a whole, mainly the small fraction of terrible people that identify themselves as 'GAA men'. I have met types like this that have an obnoxious attitude that Gaelic games are superior to any other sport, an attitude of superiority that they carry over into their personal life. In my case they refused to cooperate with any other sport and made kids choose between playing in cup finals in other sports or going to football training with threats that the kid won't play in the championship in 3 months time if they miss training.

In my experience this was a tiny fraction of people involved in the GAA, most of whom are some of the nicest people on earth, but the type of people I think the OP is talking about make it very easy to tar all people involved in GAA with the same brush.

LivelineDipso · 29-11-2012 04:18PM

You can tell who the civil servants are on this thread.

WesternZulu · 29-11-2012 04:19PM

mcwinning wrote: »

I don't think the rant was directed at the GAA as a whole, mainly the small fraction of terrible people that identify themselves as 'GAA men'. I have met types like this that have an obnoxious attitude that Gaelic games are superior to any other sport, an attitude of superiority that they carry over into their personal life. In my case they refused to cooperate with any other sport and made kids choose between playing in cup finals in other sports or going to football training with threats that the kid won't play in the championship in 3 months time if they miss training.

In my experience this was a tiny fraction of people involved in the GAA, most of whom are some of the nicest people on earth, but the type of people I think the OP is talking about make it very easy to tar all people involved in GAA with the same brush.

You'll find that with every sport, be it soccer, rugby, or GAA.

LivelineDipso · 29-11-2012 04:20PM

mcwinning wrote: »

I don't think the rant was directed at the GAA as a whole, mainly the small fraction of terrible people that identify themselves as 'GAA men'. I have met types like this that have an obnoxious attitude that Gaelic games are superior to any other sport, an attitude of superiority that they carry over into their personal life. In my case they refused to cooperate with any other sport and made kids choose between playing in cup finals in other sports or going to football training with threats that the kid won't play in the championship in 3 months time if they miss training.

In my experience this was a tiny fraction of people involved in the GAA, most of whom are some of the nicest people on earth, but the type of people I think the OP is talking about make it very easy to tar all people involved in GAA with the same brush.

Yes I am not talking about all GAA people - they small but VERY POWERFUL GAA Snobs.

Spiritual · 29-11-2012 04:24PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

You can tell who the civil servants are on this thread.

Name and shame them

tigger123 · 29-11-2012 04:27PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

You can tell who the civil servants are on this thread.

This whole thread just reeks of bitterness.

Duckworth_Luas · 29-11-2012 04:27PM

Spiritual wrote: »

Name and shame them

They're the ones making all the typos due to having cloven hooves for hands!

Frynge · 29-11-2012 04:28PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

Yes I am not talking about all GAA people - they small but VERY POWERFUL GAA Snobs.

I think you will find that most successful or good or whatever business people share in one form or another a skill referred to as networking. If it is not the GAA then it will be rugby or the lions club/ rotary club.

Dartz · 29-11-2012 04:30PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

Until this afternoon I really had no idea how finished and insane we are as a nation.

I live in a small town in Midlands. Today I found out that three local shops are pulling down the shutters for the final time tomorrow. These are not long established family businesses. But shops which well intentioned young couples began and made work - providing items and services people would of had to drive 30 or 40 miles to get. They paid their rent, paid for the refitting of the shops and generally brought a lot of life to a gloomy Midlands town.

They are all making enough income to keep going except - the landlord who owns half the town doubled their rent.

He is also from an old GAA/Fianna Fail family. He prides humself on being a "real GAA man" - so much so that his brother who is the headmaster of the local school stopped the school from having a rugby team because he also is a "real GAA man".

The landlord is in dire straits from building housing one-off estates during the boom and his own greed is coming back to haunt him. He is liquidating all his assets in order to claim poverty. If this means killing a small town he is doing it. He's a "Real GAA man" afterall.

He still lives the life of a feudal baron. Now Eda Kenny wants a new tax on small business. You could not make it up.

If this wasn't bad enough there are a lot of civil servants living in this town. Apart from no recession for them, they strut sround town with their noses in the air and with a sense of personal entitlement which borders on sociopathic. Everyone in the town knows that the reduction in public services is to save the salary of the civil servants.

The rest of the town is either on the dole or emigrating.

It's gone too far now. This is rotten little island and the good people are being mauled to keep a kind of public sector elite and the "real GAA men" in their position of wealth and safety.

Stick a fork in us - we are done.

Most of them are over 40 or 50 too....

They crashed the economy into the ground just in time to retire, collect their pension and expect everyone else to pay for their ****ups. The rest of 'em are happily shuttling between jobs snaffling up situations vacant and locking anyone under 30 out of the jobs market.

It makes me think that Logan's run may not have been a dystopia after all.

mcwinning · 29-11-2012 04:31PM

WesternZulu wrote: »

You'll find that with every sport, be it soccer, rugby, or GAA.

I totally agree, I guess with football and hurling being the 2 most popular sports here there are more of those types, if soccer or rugby were the most popular you would see the same thing. Didn't mean it to be an attack on the GAA as a whole if it came across that way!

LivelineDipso · 29-11-2012 04:37PM

I think Logan's Run is a very good analogy. The wealth is this country was transfered from the young to the old. Pretty much a recipe for ecomonic death.

These old folks who milked the boom will retire overseas and take their money with them while complaining they can't get a decent pint like at home.

3qsmavrod5twfe · 29-11-2012 04:42PM

Rented Mule wrote: »

...and that's when the whores come in !!

...and then the pimps will be using crack to keep the whores under control. It'll be like boys in the hood.

29-11-2012 04:44PM

You don't like landlords and you don't like gaa
right so
and if this landlord was a friend of yours it'd be a terrible position he's in just trying to scrape a living with his business, instead of the local shopkeepers trying to scrape a living?

If you hate the town that much then leave

LivelineDipso · 29-11-2012 04:51PM

bluewolf wrote: »

You don't like landlords and you don't like gaa
right so
and if this landlord was a friend of yours it'd be a terrible position he's in just trying to scrape a living with his business, instead of the local shopkeepers trying to scrape a living?

If you hate the town that much then leave

I do not hate the town. But the local business culture is a microcosm of the cancer infecting this entire nation.

The rot is not just one town. It is everywhere. This is a land of no hope.

donegal_road · 29-11-2012 04:53PM

I remember hearing that vacant commercial property can be written off against the owner's tax. It was that way with hotels a few years ago (maybe still is), where vacant rooms were written off against the end-of-year tax tally.

Maybe the units are more valuable to the landlord when they are vacant, so by putting up the rent it is win win, the units become vacant and he can write off a larger amount of lost income from rent, against his end of year tax.

29-11-2012 04:56PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

I do not hate the town. But the local business culture is a microcosm of the cancer infecting this entire nation.

The rot is not just one town. It is everywhere. This is a land of no hope.

No, no, no its not!

Its a small town, its not the new version of the playboy of the western world!

LivelineDipso · 29-11-2012 04:58PM

donegal_road wrote: »

I remember hearing that vacant commercial property can be written off against the owner's tax. It was that way with hotels a few years ago (maybe still is), where vacant rooms were written off against the end-of-year tax tally.

Maybe the units are more valuable to the landlord when they are vacant, so by putting up the rent it is win win, the units become vacant and he can write off a larger amount of lost income from rent, against his end of year tax.

Yes, he is doing something like this from what I am told.

The system is rigged against small business people. This is the backbone of an ecomony in a small town. He is more like a local tycoon and he really puts his own money ahead of the town at the end of the day.

The people he is destroying - many are outsides who moved to the town for the quality of life. Brought new ideas and a bit of new life to the town and they are the ones being made extinct.

This is the purpose of the thread. People can nit pick at my comments aboutthe GAA all they like the bottom line is several good people are ruined because of the evil imposed upon decent people in this country at the hands of the same old system.

This is why we are a land of no hope. This should be the time to rebuild a new Ireland. All I see is a return to the 1940's 'business' and social models which caused the dysfuctionality diring the boom. The "it's a good civil service job with a pension..." is the only business model going forward from what I can see. Everything else is geared towards keeping the big time bandits of the boom from the consequences of their actions.

There is no hope in a land which refuses to learn from its mistakes.

oppenheimer1 · 29-11-2012 04:59PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I could be wrong O but I don't think he's against the GAA per se, more against some of the kind of characters that use the institution for their own social/financial ends. If it wasn't the GAA they'd be using whatever was there in it's stead. The same type use political parties to the same ends. Can be very prevalent in small town Ireland. It's prevalent enough in large towns and cities too.

That is true of any institution and indeed Rugby and Golf would be more associated with business networking than the GAA. Singling out GAA as the root of Irelands problems is highly unfair as it is one of the few organisations we can actually be proud of - run by volunteers for the community.

In any case the OP is total nonsense - the idea that Civil Servants strut around town is laughable. In fact in many provincial and county towns, their economic survival depends on them - the government is often the largest (and sometimes only) good employer in a town. The OP says it himself of the fictional town he is taking about, "the rest of the town is on the dole or emigrating".

loggedoff · 29-11-2012 05:18PM

bluewolf wrote: »

You don't like landlords and you don't like gaa
right so
and if this landlord was a friend of yours it'd be a terrible position he's in just trying to scrape a living with his business, instead of the local shopkeepers trying to scrape a living?

If you hate the town that much then leave

That's what people are doing.
Go to Dublin airport and hang around for a while.
You'll see the real cost and the result of the nepotism & stroke culture in our backward looking little country.
Exports of our best and brightest are flying, literally.

Acidflash · 29-11-2012 05:22PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

He is more like a local tycoon and he really puts his own money ahead of the town at the end of the day.

Is his name Burns?

SuperGrover · 29-11-2012 05:24PM

LivelineDipso wrote: »

You can tell who the civil servants are on this thread.

I can't. Who, exactly?

29-11-2012 05:29PM

loggedoff wrote: »

That's what people are doing.
Go to Dublin airport and hang around for a while.
You'll see the real cost and the result of the nepotism & stroke culture in our backward looking little country.
Exports of our best and brightest are flying, literally.

They are putting DairyGold on Passanger jets?

seamus · 29-11-2012 05:34PM

loggedoff wrote: »

Exports of our best and brightest are flying, literally.

Ah, this old chestnut.

If they're our "best and brightest", then why aren't they the ones with jobs?

It also implies that if you're employed in Ireland you must not be very talented.

This "best and brightest" and "brain drain" nonsense has been in use since the seventies to try and tug at the heart strings.

People are emigrating. Some of them are great at what they do, some of them are awful, the vast majority in the middle are average, about as good as anyone else at what they do.

When you have huge unemployment like we do and an economy which can't support them, then emigration is a necessary if regrettable safety valve. Bye bye now, I'm sorry you have to leave, but well, that's life.

loggedoff · 29-11-2012 05:50PM

seamus wrote: »

Ah, this old chestnut.

If they're our "best and brightest", then why aren't they the ones with jobs?

It also implies that if you're employed in Ireland you must not be very talented.

This "best and brightest" and "brain drain" nonsense has been in use since the seventies to try and tug at the heart strings.

People are emigrating. Some of them are great at what they do, some of them are awful, the vast majority in the middle are average, about as good as anyone else at what they do.

When you have huge unemployment like we do and an economy which can't support them, then emigration is a necessary if regrettable safety valve. Bye bye now, I'm sorry you have to leave, but well, that's life.

Yea, it's all emotional stuff, that's all.
I know 4 people personally who have had to split up their family while they move away to earn money.

Regarding our 'best and brightest', maybe that's what they are and getting out of here is the thing to do.

We could have a great country here but we insist on electing con men to run it.
It's a great pity.

A Land With No Hope

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