saorsat and freesat on humax forsat hdr

dharn · 26-11-2012 04:32PM

excollier wrote: »

"A shame?" For Sky it makes perfect sense, they don't want their customers discovering that they can actually watch stuff for free that they (Sky) charge for (F1 for example) by being able to use their box to switch to foreign satellites at will.
Most of Sky's customers dont even realise that there is an alternative to Sky for satellite tv, even for the Astra 2 fta stuff. They blindly keep paying a sub for the UK fta channels, thinking that they have something wonderful.
Yes, it is a shame.
So, good for Humax (and freesat for allowing it) that their receiver is patchable for these reasons, along with other functions.
You may detect some contempt from me for Sky

yes ex i, have never used sky but hate them anyway ! i could watch golf regularly on bbc a few years ago now sky have it all mopped up they have huge monopoly on world sport which is very unfair, the amount of money involved has ruined soccer in uk, but im not really a soccer fan anyway

dharn · 26-11-2012 04:34PM

thanks everyone for posts and information,UPDATE.. I Have the dish mounted will soon be trying to find signal, then trying to setup the box with my homcinema receiver another pain !!

dharn · 26-11-2012 04:38PM

sorry.. another question ..is it advisable to add the radon patch to a new box, or get it running first as its meant to , then tinker around with it later, some say it invalidates the warranty, if i ran in to trouble would a factory reset remove evidence of the software download ?
I would hate to invalidate the warranty on a brand new box on the first day i tried to use it

swoofer · 26-11-2012 04:49PM

you are doing well, i was away, set it up first using exsiting box functions, once that is working you can move on. what is the make of the home cinema receiver?

dharn · 26-11-2012 06:23PM

Denon avr 2311, i have connected the hdmi out to hdmi 3 on the amp and of course it will not detect the input, always a pain to get it going the most confusing instruction on earth, hdmi input assignment etc but im now stuck with the humax going from boot to wizard and then no further on its own front display, so dont know whats happening there, it also say 576i on the display but thats it...was hoping to use it to power the sat finder as you have to , but when i turned it on i expected to have to put in post code etc but it did not take me that far

zg3409 · 26-11-2012 06:37PM

dharn wrote: »

im now stuck with the humax going from boot to wizard and then no further on its own front display

Normally FreeSAT boxes need a working satellite signal to set themselves up, as they get information from the Satellite.

Best to use a non Sky receiver first. Ideally pre-tune the receiver to say Sky News on a working dish first and then align dish until you see Sky news.

dharn · 26-11-2012 07:03PM

thanks zg, i had decided to try and find saorsat first ,the receiver is powering the satfinder and i was getting a signal on it which i had gotten to its max on the ku lnb, but no response from the reciever so i might try and set up 28e tomorrow, i am probably trying to do everything the hard way !! this was with the cable going directly from lnb through sat finder to wall plate and lead from there to reciever, no diseq etc involved as it was powering the satfinder something is happening !

Capt'n Midnight · 26-11-2012 07:45PM

dharn wrote: »

thanks zg, i had decided to try and find saorsat first ,the receiver is powering the satfinder and i was getting a signal on it which i had gotten to its max on the ku lnb, but no response from the reciever so i might try and set up 28e tomorrow, i am probably trying to do everything the hard way !! this was with the cable going directly from lnb through sat finder to wall plate and lead from there to reciever, no diseq etc involved as it was powering the satfinder something is happening !

print out a page from www.satfinder.com or www.dishpointer.com - on the offchance you are pointing at the next satellite over

as for wall plate - unless it's a very good one you are better off drilling an 11? mm hole in the metal plate and using an F connector barrel instead.

if you can see the TV from where you align the dish (rare

) then you could set up the receiver to show signal / quality (see its manual)

dharn · 26-11-2012 07:57PM

thanks for that, i had the dish aimed slightly east of south, and with the satfinder inline, swung slowly east i had the elevation set as per the require 27 degs the finder started to squeal and the needle wet to the max so i turned down the gain to half way and again adjusted the need le went up turned it down again and gained a little more adjusted the elevation slightly more gain this was with the saorsat lnb which i did not expect to receive any signal if i was not on 9e as it is ku band but the receiver is unresponsive no on screen display i have connected it via hdmi to av amp but i will connect it directly to the telly tomorrow and select that input i will know then if the receiver is putting out osd , will probably replace wall plate connection also

dharn · 26-11-2012 08:00PM

i am still confused as to why the receiver does at least get to the point of saying no signal, if it needs one to setup

zg3409 · 26-11-2012 08:26PM

FreeSat gets the info on what channel is where from the Satellite. With no signal it cannot tell where to look for channels, hence no reason to say no signal on the channel.

Ideally you would use professional gear. As I said before setup FeeeSAT first and confirm that is working 100%

dharn · 27-11-2012 01:50AM

UPDATE.. The receiver is now working as i expected, does not need sat feed to start up, but hdmi handshake problem arose, i had it connected to av amp and av amp to tv via hdmi, but amp could not see the humax so nothing happening, connected the humax directly to tv with hdmi and on screen display was there so i could go through setup menu , so busy day tomorrow !!

dharn · 28-11-2012 11:15AM

More progress... i started trying to find 9e and failed then with the other lnb started to look for 28e with the lnb on the end of the triax lmulti lnb arm guessing roughly where it should be got 19e first then after much moving over and back i got 28e and all freesat channels so now i have freesat with the lnb off to one side so i dont know where exactly the dish is pointing and when it try to get 9e i will lose 28e im sure

swoofer · 28-11-2012 03:06PM

you are doing well so far, to get 9e its easier if you can use the usual lnb and pick up a fta channel, the way you are trying it means both lnb's on the holder will be offset, so say centre of lnb ARM points at 19east then you will have 9 and 28 either side by moving lnb's and tilting holder.

are you working on it now as its a nice day, there should be images about showing the lnb set up. If you want a channel on 9e I can give you frequency etc and you do know the frequency for saorsat?

If you have spare lnbs try for 19 east without moving anthing.

There are quite a few posts on here about getting both but with 90cm it will be tricky and need patience. I found this post.
It all works now.

"For anybody doing this in the future. I pointed the dish at 19e and then adjusted the lnbs on either side. It takes a lot of patience but it does work."

gbc

Capt'n Midnight · 28-11-2012 03:23PM

Ignore if you have bought a special KU LNB recently. (~€35)

Just to be clear.

You need a special KA LNB to get Saorsat as it's spot on 9E uses circular polarisation (Mmmm to the left, to the left) at a frequency of 20.185GHz

A standard KU LNB will give you a choice of H or V polarisation on frequencies between 10.7 and 12.75 GHz

The frequencies are so far apart you can get special mirrors that can split KA and KU signals , one goes straight through while the other is reflected.

dharn · 28-11-2012 05:06PM

ya have special saorsat approved lnb thanks for your post

watty · 28-11-2012 05:13PM

With only 90Cm I would point dish and LOCK it at best signal for 13E. Then Adjust on multi-LNB Arm for 28E and 9E,

You need a new hole on the multi-LNB bracket about 1/3rd along rather than middle.

Left is 28E and Right is 9E. Dish pointed at 16E. But that is a slightly bigger dish than standard 90cm, was supplied by SES-Astra.

Note the angle of bracket. hole in BOTTOM of rail used so as to get enough tilt for 28E and 9E at same time (the bar would be level if the dish was pointing at 8W and the extreme LNBs on 16W and 1W approx.)

dharn · 28-11-2012 05:58PM

thanks watty what elevation should the dish be set at, saorsat needs 27 freesat needs 20

Capt'n Midnight · 28-11-2012 06:40PM

dharn wrote: »

ya have special saorsat approved lnb thanks for your post

NP, just asking the stupid question

and leaving breadcrumbs for people who jump into the middle of a thread

dharn · 28-11-2012 08:33PM

no bother i prefer so see a helpful reply than none, if any mod is reading this can it be put up as a sticky as i feel there is much interest in this subject at present

Lady Chatterton · 28-11-2012 09:01PM

Sorry to butt in on the discussion but I could really do with some advice regarding the Humax Foxsat HDR 1TB Twin Tuner.
http://www.satellitetv.ie/humax_foxsat_hdr_1TB

I have read the thread but to be honest, I'm not very technical and I can't understand a lot of what is being discussed.

I'm currently paying Sky €576 a year for a basic Sky+HD entertainment package and that is due to increase in February. I'm seriously considering cancelling my Sky subscription and getting Humax but I've three questions:

1. How difficult will the set up be? I'm hoping that it is just a matter swopping the Sky box for the Humax box?
2. Will the Humax box pick up the Irish channels.
3. Where's the best place to purchase the Humax box?

Thanks very much guys!

Mods, feel free to move if I've posted in the wrong place.

dharn · 28-11-2012 09:12PM

answer to q 1 no it is not a simple swap
q 2. humax will not pick up irish channels without connecting to the irish satellite service, saorsat on 9e
q 3 it can be bought on amazon .co .uk best price there very reliable supplier
the simplest solution is to use saorview on an aerial and connect the humax to your sky dish.it wont record irish channels but it will record 2 freesat channels at any time

Lady Chatterton · 28-11-2012 09:23PM

dharn wrote: »

answer to q 1 no it is not a simple swap
q 2. humax will not pick up irish channels without connecting to the irish satellite service, saorsat on 9e
q 3 it can be bought on amazon .co .uk best price there very reliable supplier
the simplest solution is to use saorview on an aerial and connect the humax to your sky dish.it wont record irish channels but it will record 2 freesat channels at any time

Thank you very much for your reply, I really appreciate it!

Ideally, I need something that is going to be pretty easy to set up. (Basically a case of swopping one box for another) Is there any other product out there that will receive both Irish and English channels and do what the Sky+HD box does?

dharn · 28-11-2012 09:25PM

no, humax foxsat hdr comes closest with a lot of complicated setting up im attempting it at present but as an amateur i am finding it difficult but i like a challenge and have time on my hands

swoofer · 28-11-2012 10:14PM

i found these for you on you tube, i dont know the type of holder you are using but the triax is shown and another make. both of them have majored on 9east ie made it prime. i would still use a normal lnb to pick up 9e first then swop to ka band. eleation used in one says 27,4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmOWa0UXoIY&feature=related

dharn · 29-11-2012 01:35AM

thanks gb. the holder i have is the triax , which is sturdier but less flexible, i am making some progress i have the 9e transponder tuned in on the second tuner on the humax but on scanning it found nothing so now i have to start searching for that sat , but moving the lnb holders on the triax bar is very difficultso i might try moving it around out of the holder tomorrow and see how i get on

Capt'n Midnight · 29-11-2012 01:56AM

dharn wrote: »

the simplest solution is to use saorview on an aerial and connect the humax to your sky dish.it wont record irish channels but it will record 2 freesat channels at any time

you can pick up a 16GB USB key for a tenner these days for the Saorsat to record on.

If you wanted to add an external harddrive best to make sure kids can't pick it up, also would probably need external power supply for the drive in case the receiver can't supply enough power reliably.

watty · 29-11-2012 03:12AM

dharn wrote: »

thanks watty what elevation should the dish be set at, saorsat needs 27 freesat needs 20

The dish elevation is set for whatever satellite you point the arm at. Say 13E for a 90cm dish and 16E for a larger dish.
Then the 9E is a bit higher elevation and the 28E a lot lower Elevation. You do NOT re-adjust the dish after peaking signal on 13E (or 16E). Then fit multiLNB bracket and only adjust its tilt on 28E as it has the most change. Elevation is thus tilt of bracket and azimuth different from 13E (or 16E) is the LNB distance out on bracket.

If it's the "correct" multi-LNB bracket the holders on it support LNBs at the same distance from dish and height as original LNBF.

dharn · 29-11-2012 12:17PM

thanks watty,i see what you mean.you say in a previous post i need to drill a hole in the lnb holder arm 1 third way, so i take it with the dish aimed at 13 e the 28e lnb has to be moved farther off center to the left as we look at the dish, and that's why the arm has to be moved left
another poster has advised to fix on 9e and then look for 28, but i take it from what you are saying 28e would be too far off center that way, so in other words pick a satellite in the middle and work either side of it seems to be the way to go

swoofer · 29-11-2012 12:29PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLjFlUHd96Y

saorsat and freesat on humax forsat hdr

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