Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

Galvasean · 26-11-2012 12:57PM

AnCapaillMor wrote:

As for reyes, for 2 months he was world class, then the nevilles and scholes triumvirate of evil got him and he was never the same.

That's clutching at straws to misrepresent how many 'world class' players we had back in the day. It's like saying Diaby is world class when fit.

gnfnrhead · 26-11-2012 01:02PM

Reyes never did it for us, simple as. He had a great run of form but United ended that and I don't think he ever recovered, at Arsenal or elsewhere. I would not count him as world class. Of those originally listed, I'd only count Henry and Vieria as world class. The likes of Bergkamp, Pires etc in the next bracket.

Today, I'd say Sagna is our only true world class player. Cazorla and Wilshere not far behind though so you could count them if you were feeling generous.

26-11-2012 01:13PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Reyes never did it for us, simple as. He had a great run of form but United ended that and I don't think he ever recovered, at Arsenal or elsewhere. I would not count him as world class. Of those originally listed, I'd only count Henry and Vieria as world class. The likes of Bergkamp, Pires etc in the next bracket.

Today, I'd say Sagna is our only true world class player. Cazorla and Wilshere not far behind though so you could count them if you were feeling generous.

:eek:

I think you can put Bergkamp in that world class bracket tbh. The man practically has his own separate 'goal of the decade competition' . Arguably the best most innovative ingenius player ive ever seen wear the red and white. Henry was super absolutely incredible but Bergkamp was an artist.

Galvasean · 26-11-2012 01:25PM

Bergkamp was definately world class. What a lot of people don't realise is that he finished up with us ages 37, so his last 4 seasons with us he was past his best, but still of a top Premier League club standard.

gnfnrhead · 26-11-2012 01:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

:eek:

I think you can put Bergkamp in that world class bracket tbh. The man practically has his own separate 'goal of the decade competition' . Arguably the best most innovative ingenius player ive ever seen wear the red and white. Henry was super absolutely incredible but Bergkamp was an artist.

Earlier in his career he was in a league of his own. I'm talking about those later years when the likes of Reyes, Fabregas etc were coming along. If we're talking about Bergkamp at his peak, we're going to have to change a lot of the players mentioned. Seaman for Lehmann etc which makes it a different argument.

That was my understanding anyway, the time around when Bergkamp retired rather than his whole career. Still a great player, but I don't think he retired as world class.

Galvasean · 26-11-2012 01:40PM

I get what you mean now. Sorry, I misinterprated your other post.

greendom · 26-11-2012 06:57PM

A miserable weekend with journalists keen to fan the flames of discontent amongst Arsenal supporters. Point 1 was a real breath of fresh air...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/nov/26/premier-league-talking-points-weekend?CMP=twt_gu

26-11-2012 07:11PM

I don't care what nationality the players are.

Quazzie · 26-11-2012 07:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't care what nationality the players are.

English players are more likely to remain loyal to the club. We need to find some Arsenal DNA.

greendom · 26-11-2012 07:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't care what nationality the players are.

me neither and i don't buy the need for a club to have a British core but it's good to read something positive

KaiserGunner · 26-11-2012 09:17PM

Quazzie wrote: »

English players are more likely to remain loyal to the club. We need to find some Arsenal DNA.

I disagree, there is no loyalty in football these days regardless of nationality. We saw that ourselves with our own Academy Graduate Ashley Cole. You couldnt have got any more "Arsenal DNA" than with him at the time.

.jacksparrow. · 26-11-2012 09:28PM

Walcott not featured in the 2013 arsenal calendar,whatever that means.

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 26-11-2012 11:13PM

Perfect Christmas present :pac:

gnfnrhead · 26-11-2012 11:17PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Walcott not featured in the 2013 arsenal calendar,whatever that means.

We have 12 more popular players?

26-11-2012 11:36PM

gnfnrhead wrote: »

We have 12 more popular players?

Yeah, like Santos :pac:

26-11-2012 11:59PM

Can't help but think that if there was any chance of Walcott signing it would have been done by now.

greendom · 27-11-2012 12:01AM

AdamD wrote: »

Can't help but think that if there was any chance of Walcott signing it would have been done by now.

I'm pretty sure he's off. Very disappointing - hopefully his replacement will be a better player.

wandatowell · 27-11-2012 12:02AM

KaiserGunner wrote: »

I disagree, there is no loyalty in football these days regardless of nationality. We saw that ourselves with our own Academy Graduate Ashley Cole. You couldnt have got any more "Arsenal DNA" than with him at the time.

In fairness the club offered him a pretty poor deal, something like £55,000 a week, he was looking for £60,000 and the club wouldnt budge.

He was either world class then or was going to be very soon and the club didnt look after him the way a club should look after their top players.

Ya he did the dirty and was caught but it wouldnt have gotten that far had the club gave him what he wanted. Im pretty sure David Seaman came out a couple of years ago and said as much. If I find the article I'll post a link.

Mickeroo · 27-11-2012 11:13AM

Is the match on TV tomorrow night?

Galvasean · 27-11-2012 11:59AM

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Perfect Christmas present :pac:

I'd love one but I'm not willing to fork out £110 :eek:

tayto lover · 27-11-2012 12:10PM

Galvasean wrote: »

I'd love one but I'm not willing to fork out £110 :eek:

There's one in our colours. I think Wenger was using this one on Sat last.

http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/Ledge-River-Cold-Weather-Sleeping-Bag-20-degree/3818472/product.html

meriwether · 27-11-2012 03:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

:eek:

I think you can put Bergkamp in that world class bracket tbh. The man practically has his own separate 'goal of the decade competition' . Arguably the best most innovative ingenius player ive ever seen wear the red and white. Henry was super absolutely incredible but Bergkamp was an artist.

DB is coaching Ajax now, isn't he?

I note that ex-Arsenal legend Remi Garde* is doing a good job at Lyon. One to watch for the future?

*IIRC, he was bought in a double swoop with Vieira.

27-11-2012 03:38PM

KaiserGunner wrote: »

I disagree, there is no loyalty in football these days regardless of nationality. We saw that ourselves with our own Academy Graduate Ashley Cole. You couldnt have got any more "Arsenal DNA" than with him at the time.

The Money appreciation gene was more dominant then the Arsenal gene

27-11-2012 03:41PM

meriwether wrote: »

DB is coaching Ajax now, isn't he?

I note that ex-Arsenal legend Remi Garde* is doing a good job at Lyon. One to watch for the future?

*IIRC, he was bought in a double swoop with Vieira.

Correct DB is number 2 to Frank de Boer at Ajax. Dont know much about Garde now as i dont follow French football much but at the time the only explanation i seen for his signing other then backup was perhaps a coaching role down the line.

emergingstar · 27-11-2012 11:06PM

Very good article on the march planned the weekend

http://t.co/AHmCRmaL

Galvasean · 28-11-2012 12:47AM

emergingstar wrote: »

Very good article on the march planned the weekend

http://t.co/AHmCRmaL

First I've heard of the black scarf movement. From reading up on them they sound like they exist in an idealistic fantasy.

jester77 · 28-11-2012 08:43AM

This is pretty cool, letter from Arsenal FC congratulating Karl Lacey, All-Star Footballer of the year and a Gunner fan, and signed by Wenger. Hope he's right about the trophies part

Mickeroo · 28-11-2012 12:40PM

I'd love to know who thought Man City vs Wigan is a better option than Everton vs Arsenal to show on TV. :mad:

Galvasean · 28-11-2012 12:49PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'd love to know who thought Man City vs Wigan is a better option than Everton vs Arsenal to show on TV. :mad:

Me. Because I have work tonight and wanted to spite you all!!! :pac:

emergingstar · 28-11-2012 01:10PM

If ya think he is slipping or not, it's still an amazing job the boss has done for the last seven years. Very good read this

http://t.co/2wt7jndQ

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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