Dexter Season 7 Ep 9 - Helter Skelter (spoilers)

I Am Kong! wrote: »

It's not hard to see why she'd think of Dexter - moving his boat at the time of the investigation into the Bay Harbour Butcher, believing Doakes' innocence from the time the theory of him being the BHB came to fruition, the fact that the killer is obviously methodical and meticulous - something Dexter always conveys and much unlike your run of the mill detective, the fact that the missing criminals are ones previously investigated by the homicide department. I wonder how many people working homicide have boats? My guess is not many. Finally, Doakes never owned a boat.

All that may be true, but what gave her the idea that it was Dexter? There were a decent amount of names ticked on that sheet but she seems to have decided on Dexter. Why? Because he moved his boat? That seems to be all she has, anything else could be applied to anyone.

Excellent episode, I love the way they ended the whole Isaac thing. I knew neither of them were gonna live and it was an excellent ending to a very mutual relationship.

I'm not sure what to make of the sudden emergence of this "Phantom" killer, there's 3 episodes left in the season, seems very odd. I'm gonna guess that it'll run into the final season, I hope so anyway because he does seem pretty cool. I doubt its that guy who investigated the two burnings, but they definitely want is to think that.

The whole La Guerta thing isn't as tense as it could be in my opinion, If it was last season it would be completely different because too many people have found out about Dexters dark passenger this season it just takes away the shock value.

One of the best episodes in a goo while, a lot of action.

Quinns a goner, although I never really took to him. They still havent given his backstory either as far as I can remember

jd007 wrote: »

I went back and watched Season 2 recently.

Pretty sure they confirmed the body in the shack was Doakes' with dental records. Would love to see him back though.

Enjoyed this episode, sad to see Isaac gone though, he was a great character.

Not much point people putting stuff in spoiler tags if the next reply to it gives away what it was.

jd007 wrote: »

I went back and watched Season 2 recently. Pretty sure they confirmed the body in the shack was Doakes' with dental records. Would love to see him back though.

Enjoyed this episode, sad to see Isaac gone though, he was a great character.

Well,

Its the best of the last 3 seasons but still, after a very promising start is still a bit meh. I will watch til the end of the season though.

If only they had wrapped it up after season 4...........

connollys wrote: »

The killings are getting ridiculous, middle of the day in public places. Still not as bad as the airport kill but the gun range? A joke. Same with the shooting on the boat, similar to Lewis earlier in the season.

Dexter sneaks up on him seconds after they had been looking right at each other & then it cuts away to him talking to Isaac about how these lads know all about Dex & they'll probably try follow him as bait to get Isaac. WTF?? if that lad knew all about Dex & got a dossier from the Ukrainian mafia etc then surely he'd be like, "hey I know your face, what the hell are you doing in the bay right next to me?"

It's not something I'd normally pick up on or be bothered about but the fact Dex & Isaac had that conversation in the very next scene made it stand out like a sore thumb.




Strange season where there is no real single villain as a story arc all the way through but a few of them as highlighted by the rise of this new fire guy. As such it doesn't feel like there is a strong plotline driving the season; is it about Isaac(clearly not any more), the poison girl, the weird love with Debs or the La Guerta chasing him thing? Or just a formless mush of the whole lot.

I am interested in the whole La Guerta chasing him thing the most though, maybe i just want him to get caught at this stage. That's setting up to be the basis of the last season so there's reason to be optimistic about that. I guess there's not the same level of tension if he's not going up against someone from within the department who's a step or two behind him & until he knows La Guerta's on to him that wont really kick in.

I Am Kong! wrote: »

Seriously, I wonder do the people give the show their full attention when watching instead of basing opinions on the latest episode.

After reading a lot of these comments, I'm starting to wonder much the same.

the_monkey wrote: »

Is this the same Isaac who had that conversation with Dexter in jail ??

Yes, the same Issac. Who's character development with dexter has followed this pattern (off the top of my head):

• Dexter kills Victor
• Isaac finds out Victor is dead -> goes to boat used to dump body -> Finds Louis and kills him.
• Isaac gets led into trap by Dexter -> gets arrested
• Important Dexter/Isaac conversation
• Isaac gets out, refuses to obey brotherhoods orders to return to Kiev until Dexter is dead
• Tries to gun down Dexter in donut shop
• Brotherhood decides to "intervene" and Isaac goes into hiding
• Dexter waits to kill Isaac in apartment -> Interrupted -> Kills hitman and flees
• Isaac goes into gay bar, Dexter follows with plan to kill Isaac.
• Important Dexter/Isaac conversation #2 -> Alluded to that they could be friends under different circumstances.
• Isaac learns about hitmen sent to kill him -> realizes he can't kill them alone
• Isaac attempts to bargin with dexter -> agrees to let him live for helping him
• Dexter won't help Isaac (but in his own mind is reluctant not to due to the "bond" they've formed)
• Isaac kidnaps Hannah -> Uses her to force Dexter to help him
• Dexter/Isaac kill hitmen
• Isaac gets shot
• Dexter sees Isaac as more of a 'friend' rather than a target/threat now, and sees no reason to kill him, and agrees to fulfill his last wish of dumping him where he left Victor

If you ask me, it's a pretty conclusive evolution of their relationship, and there's nothing to be confused about (if you paid attention)

jester77 wrote: »

Good episode but I'm not a fan of these recent killings, they are very un-Dexter for want of a better word.

The killing of the hitman at the shooting range and the slitting the throat of the other hitman in Isaacs apartment is not something Dexter would do. I find that the storyline is getting very messy now.

They're not something that Dexter would usually do, as it's against the code. But again, if you've been paying attention, it makes sense.

• Hannah has been an influence on Dexter and has confronted/questioned his code.
• In the last scenes, Dexter admits that he couldn't afford to lose Hannah like he did Rita. His hand is being forced in the matter
• We know Dexter will kill out of necessity to protect himself -> Doakes.

Taking the above into account, there's nothing out of place.

Also I believe the writers have intentionally made things "messy", to reinforce the idea that Dexter telling people about his dark passenger / ignoring the code, results in chaos. The very same reason the code was instilled into dexter, to prevent chaotic killing.

connollys wrote: »

The killings are getting ridiculous, middle of the day in public places. Still not as bad as the airport kill but the gun range? A joke. Same with the shooting on the boat, similar to Lewis earlier in the season.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but people get killed all the time in the world during the daytime in public places. It's a little haphazard and rushed for dexter, but still very methodical (investigation into ranges that hold the rounds, it's outside Miami metro jurisdiction, etc)

As for Lewis' shooting, gang shootings are a regular occasion in some parts of the US. I wouldn't even question the plausibility of a mafia killing someone like that.

mathproblem wrote: »

Dexter sneaks up on him seconds after they had been looking right at each other & then it cuts away to him talking to Isaac about how these lads know all about Dex & they'll probably try follow him as bait to get Isaac. WTF?? if that lad knew all about Dex & got a dossier from the Ukrainian mafia etc then surely he'd be like, "hey I know your face, what the hell are you doing in the bay right next to me?"

It's not something I'd normally pick up on or be bothered about but the fact Dex & Isaac had that conversation in the very next scene made it stand out like a sore thumb.

Isaac alluded (initially when looking for help) that if the hitmen couldn't find Isaac, and knew he was after Dexter, then they would go after Dexter to lure Isaac.

The way I saw the whole thing was: They had only barely arrived when Isaac tried to bribe them to not kill him, and had not yet started looking for Isaac. Nor had they any reason to go to the club / find out about Dexter at that stage. Isaac is the primary target. Their brief was probably "Isaac is refusing orders and is a liability, he needs to be taken care of."

When Dexter kills the first guy at the shooting range, the other guy can't contact him and goes to the club to figure out what's up. They would both assume that Isaac took out the first hitman. Then (as predicted by Isaac), they know Isaac is after Dexter, so they reckon if they find Dexter, they will find Isaac (eventually).

Once the hitman turns up and Dexter spots him, he agrees to be bait and lead him to the ship where Isaac is waiting.

What neither of them counted on, was the phone call the hitman made on the way there to George (where george tells him they have a ship in the docks, that's where Isaac must be), and now George knew where to go too.

Strange season where there is no real single villain as a story arc all the way through but a few of them as highlighted by the rise of this new fire guy. As such it doesn't feel like there is a strong plotline driving the season; is it about Isaac(clearly not any more), the poison girl, the weird love with Debs or the La Guerta chasing him thing? Or just a formless mush of the whole lot.

I don't think the season is about any particular villan as such, more about the chaos that comes with not following the code, and essentially Dexter's eternal struggle with Harry / his dark passenger.

ixoy wrote: »

Good except that the killings in day light are just ridiculous at this point. The shooting range - nobody else there? Nothing? No security cameras? The boat - shoving a body overboard? Has Miami perhaps got a plague and everybody has deserted.

For all we know it could be well known in the docks the Ukranian mafia owned that ship, so nobody might bat an eyelid. Or just like has been alluded to many times this season - "Everyone has a price" - they could be paying off people to turn a blind eye to any activity. Why do you think the mafia would have a cargo ship? It's not for recreational purposes...

Real shame to kill off Isaac as he had some great scenes with Dexter. Replacing him with a sudden arsonist killer is quite worrying. Seems like a very sudden and forced shift by the writers. If it doesn't tie in with some existing story arcs, I'll be quite disappointed.

Also LaGuerta - hope people have time for a funeral. I suspect that the digging the two graves comment will apply to her.

Andy!! wrote: »

I doubt LaGuerta will be dead by seasons end, but she'll definitely be on to him. I wonder what will be the definitive evidence. Or will she walk in on him.

Funnily enough, I do like the idea that the "dig two graves" was hinting at LaGuerta, but I think it was more a summation/observation on how things have ended for Isaac. He was set out for revenge, and now there are two graves (Victor and Isaac). Be interesting to see if you're right though

Personally though, I don't see LaGuerta being killed off yet.