There is something seriously wrong with society!!

MrPoker · 27-11-2012 02:36PM #1

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/family-left-devastated-as-12yearold-girl-takes-own-life-3306534.html

Didn't see at thread on this so I thought I would draw attention to it.

Like wtf is going on? This is the latest instance of a young life lost through suicide in the last couple of weeks. I don't know if this is the right forum to bring it up but it is the busiest forum in the country and suicide is a serious growing issue which needs attention. I think the rise of social media along with the lack of proper mental health care channels in the country is proving deadly and lives are being lost by the week. The Government need to take notice ASAP!!

This latest case is shocking. 12 years old ffs!! Way too young. Looking after our citizens has to be the Governments first priority. We cant brush this stuff under the carpet.

cuana · 27-11-2012 02:38PM

Its becoming all to common, its very disturbing RIP

kfallon · 27-11-2012 02:40PM

I don't use social media like FB, Twitter etc but I'm wondering if it should be made illegal for people under 16 or 18!
Maybe include it in those Family Filter/Parental Control things that you can set up on your internet access.

These cases would break your heart!

27-11-2012 02:46PM

MrPoker wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/family-left-devastated-as-12yearold-girl-takes-own-life-3306534.html

Didn't see at thread on this so I thought I would draw attention to it.

Like wtf is going on? This is the latest instance of a young life lost through suicide in the last couple of weeks. I don't know if this is the right forum to bring it up but it is the busiest forum in the country and suicide is a serious growing issue which needs attention. I think the rise of social media along with the lack of proper mental health care channels in the country is proving deadly and lives are being lost by the week. The Government need to take notice ASAP!!

This latest case is shocking. 12 years old ffs!! Way too young. What ever about paying our debts to IMF/EU looking after our citizens has to be the Governments first priority. We cant brush this stuff under the carpet.

The death of a 12 year old child is and always will be a very sad event no matter how it occurs!

Please however I urge not to turn this tragic death of a young girl into something its not.

The IMF debt stuff has nothing to do with this case so please leave it out of this discussion.

seamus · 27-11-2012 02:48PM

Social media didn't cause these suicides, they were simply tools of the bullies. Teenagers committed suicide from bullying before the internet, and yes they did it in huge numbers like they do at the moment.

There is something of a blind spot in technology at the moment as many parents are too clueless about it to know how to keep tabs on their child's access and control it, but I don't think it's making the issue of mental health worse or causing more suicides.
It could equally be said that access to the web and social media may be helpful in providing a social outlet for those kids who might otherwise have been isolated and lonely pre-internet.

The only thing to be done here is to teach parents to cop the fnck on. Anyone under 16 should not have a phone with unfettered web access and should not have access to a web-enabled computer in their bedrooms or other private areas.
Parents should be vigilant to block, log and review what their children are doing online.

gobnaitolunacy · 27-11-2012 02:49PM

MrPoker wrote: »

12 years old ffs!! Way too young. .

It's not ok at any age.

freddiek · 27-11-2012 02:53PM

when i was 12 suicide wouldnt have even been considered in my age group. It was something that adults did. very sad that life is so tough for kids of that age these days that they are looking for a way out

MrPoker · 27-11-2012 02:54PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The death of a 12 year old child is and always will be a very sad event no matter how it occurs!

Please however I urge not to turn this tragic death of a young girl into something its not.

The IMF debt stuff has nothing to do with this case so please leave it out of this discussion.

Sorry about that. That was not my intention. I just feel that overall young and old there is a major problem at the minute in society. Having lost a family member and friends in the last couple of years and currently dealing with a family member who has threatened on numerous occasions with two attempts over the past year its hard to find proper information or proper mental health care around.

My name is URL · 27-11-2012 02:55PM

I hate how the internet is automatically blamed for this stuff. Nobody knows what sort of state the girl's head was in.. and it's not the fault of 'society' either if a few knobheads take to bullying a person.

There's plenty of help for people out there, but you can't force them to avail of it.

Mr. Manager · 27-11-2012 03:07PM

This might seem like an 'out there' question and I mean no disrespect but has it been stated how this girl took her own life?

It's mind boggling to think a person at the age of 12 would even have suicidal thoughts.

Condolences to her family and friends.

Nick_oliveri · 27-11-2012 03:08PM

Here we go again with the hysterics - " Oh, the government should put up a firewall, Social media should take responsibility, We should just ban parenting"

Suicides have been prevalent among young people for a long time and even though it seems to be getting worse what we should be doing is investigating why and educating rather than a ****ing knee jerk reaction/ daily mail solution for everything.

hooradiation · 27-11-2012 03:17PM

MrPoker wrote: »

I think the rise of social media along with the lack of proper mental health care channels in the country is proving deadly and lives are being lost by the week.

Well, you're half right.

Not that terrible shit happening is a phenomenon unique to these times - but the myth to the contrary can probably fester up an entire thread all on it's own.

steddyeddy · 27-11-2012 03:18PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The death of a 12 year old child is and always will be a very sad event no matter how it occurs!

Please however I urge not to turn this tragic death of a young girl into something its not.

The IMF debt stuff has nothing to do with this case so please leave it out of this discussion.

Well not this case maybe but I would find it extremely hard to believe that financial difficulties on Ireland today dont have a massve negative impact on the mental health of familes and thier kids. I would be extremely skeptical that finances havent played a massive part in the increase in suicide in this country of late.

HeyThereDeliah · 27-11-2012 03:23PM

Some kids are on FB because parents let them lie about their age to sign up. I'm not saying its all parents but some need to educate themselves about the Internet and stuff kids are looking at. Sites they are visiting etc.

No point in blaming society when we don't know what happened. There is plenty suicide awareness helplines available. These young teenage suicides are increasing but blaming bullying is not the answer, it is possible to turn the computer off and ignore these people.

Parents should be more aware of what's happening in their kids lives.

steddyeddy · 27-11-2012 03:26PM

As was said above it isnt social media it's bullying. The diminishment of another person. This is just simply another tool for the bully. I would also estimate we dont have the correct figures for suicide in this country and that a lot of stories dont make the media.

Grimebox · 27-11-2012 03:26PM

seamus wrote: »

Social media didn't cause these suicides, they were simply tools of the bullies. Teenagers committed suicide from bullying before the internet, and yes they did it in huge numbers like they do at the moment.

There is something of a blind spot in technology at the moment as many parents are too clueless about it to know how to keep tabs on their child's access and control it, but I don't think it's making the issue of mental health worse or causing more suicides.
It could equally be said that access to the web and social media may be helpful in providing a social outlet for those kids who might otherwise have been isolated and lonely pre-internet.

The only thing to be done here is to teach parents to cop the fnck on. Anyone under 16 should not have a phone with unfettered web access and should not have access to a web-enabled computer in their bedrooms or other private areas.
Parents should be vigilant to block, log and review what their children are doing online.

I think this is just unrealistic in this day and age

Zillah · 27-11-2012 03:27PM

I always find it annoying and unfortunate when people focus on technology after a tragedy. A guy goes on a shooting rampage -> rants about Halo and Modern Warfare. Trust me, if your son got an assault rifle and started firing blindly into a crowd then he has problems way above and beyond computers. Your daughter gets bullied into suicide online? Stop talking about the god damn website and focus on the bullies and the school. Jesus. If someone makes threatening phonecalls no one talks about this dangerous new telephony device we've invited into our homes.

HeyThereDeliah · 27-11-2012 03:31PM

Grimebox wrote: »

I think this is just unrealistic in this day and age

I don't think so, parents want their kids to have everything now, all this they need the Internet to do homework, no they don't.
Kids in primary school with phones, no need when parents should still be dropping them to school and picking them up.

Parents indulge kids way too much.

TURRICAN · 27-11-2012 03:32PM

Policy needs to be brought into schools etc to deal with bullies and how it affects people.

Bullies are in effect silent killers , probably
unknown to themselves and realise when it's too late!

kfallon · 27-11-2012 03:33PM

Zillah wrote: »

I always find it annoying and unfortunate when people focus on technology after a tragedy. A guy goes on a shooting rampage -> rants about Halo and Modern Warfare. Trust me, if your son got an assault rifle and started firing blindly into a crowd then he has problems way above and beyond computers. Your daughter gets bullied into suicide online? Stop talking about the god damn website and focus on the bullies and the school. Jesus. If someone makes threatening phonecalls no one talks about this dangerous new telephony device we've invited into our homes.

These sites make it easier for the bullies with Private Messages/Chats etc. Only the victim will see these unless they are strong enough to stand up to them or show somebody else.

If you are being bullied in school you may be saved by a 3rd party identifying what is going on be it a teacher or another student. However if you are logging into a website every day in the confines of your own bedroom that you only know the username/password etc it could be far more difficult for someone on the 'outside' to pick up on what is happening.

kunst nugget · 27-11-2012 03:36PM

TURRICAN wrote: »

Bullies are in effect silent killers , probably

Really? I thought it was my brother's farts…

27-11-2012 03:37PM

kfallon wrote: »

These sites make it easier for the bullies with Private Messages/Chats etc. Only the victim will see these unless they are strong enough to stand up to them or show somebody else.

If you are being bullied in school you may be saved by a 3rd party identifying what is going on be it a teacher or another student. However if you are logging into a website every day in the confines of your own bedroom that you only know the username/password etc it could be far more difficult for someone on the 'outside' to pick up on what is happening.

Same with phones when nobody else can hear

crusher000 · 27-11-2012 03:38PM

Another wasted life.

We can't blame the internet and social media for this, but it is just another tool for bullies to use. Also the fact that you don't have to be face to face with a person to bully them can make it easier for some people to do. For example what we say behind peoples backs, we may nver confront them with our views, same with social media people that normally wouldn't say something to a persons face will find it easier to blurt it out on social media without seeing the person they are insulting reactions. Again social media not to blame but a tool to bully. If a bully confronts you face to face you can walk away or choose not to put yourself in a position where you meet them head on. Socail media gives the bully 24 hour access. Again not social medias fault.Children should be thought that the words they sprout out on the internet can have a harming affect on the person it is intended for. Adults need to keep an eye on their children, have to become withdrawn? Have they stopped doing activities they used to love ? If so investigate, better to invade their privacy on the phone or pc than to have the situation end like this.

kfallon · 27-11-2012 03:39PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Same with phones when nobody else can hear

Tbh I don't really think a 12 year old should have a phone either!

crusher000 · 27-11-2012 03:42PM

kfallon wrote: »

Tbh I don't really think a 12 year old should have a phone either!

Ah, they have them alot younger. I coach 8 year olds and some of them have phones. One of the must get items with communion money.

kfallon · 27-11-2012 03:43PM

crusher000 wrote: »

Ah, they have them alot younger. I coach 8 year olds and some of them have phones. One of the must get items with communion money.

Oh I know they have them but I certainly don't think they need them!

crusher000 · 27-11-2012 03:45PM

kfallon wrote: »

Oh I know they have them but I certainly don't think they need them!

Tell their parents that. "Ring me when training is over love." "If I'm not back by the end of training, ring me as I'll be up town love". This is of the point though.

27-11-2012 03:48PM

Really disgusting how media outlets and supposed awareness groups will try and create controversy and make links where there are none. There has been no evidence that thus was in any way linked yo any social networking site but hey, don't net the facts get in the way of a story.

Suicide amongst teenagers is not some recent phenomenon, its been occurring every year since as far back as anyone can remember. What has changed is the way the media covers these events, by linking each of these isolated incidents they can create a much bigger and interesting story.

kfallon · 27-11-2012 03:48PM

crusher000 wrote: »

Tell their parents that. "Ring me when training is over love." "If I'm not back by the end of training, ring me as I'll be up town love". This is of the point though.

God be with the days when your parents knew what time the training was over at and they'd be there waiting!!

27-11-2012 03:50PM

kfallon wrote: »

God be with the days when your parents knew what time the training was over at and they'd be there waiting!!

Or training/school/etc finished early for some unpredictable reason and you were standing around in the rain for an hour, great.

kunst nugget · 27-11-2012 03:51PM

crusher000 wrote: »

We can't blame the internet and social media for this, but it is just another tool for bullies to use. Also the fact that you don't have to be face to face with a person to bully them can make it easier for some people to do. For example what we say behind peoples backs, we may nver confront them with our views, same with social media people that normally wouldn't say something to a persons face will find it easier to blurt it out on social media without seeing the person they are insulting reactions. Again social media not to blame but a tool to bully. If a bully confronts you face to face you can walk away or choose not to put yourself in a position where you meet them head on. Socail media gives the bully 24 hour access. Again not social medias fault.Children should be thought that the words they sprout out on the internet can have a harming affect on the person it is intended for. Adults need to keep an eye on their children, have to become withdrawn? Have they stopped doing activities they used to love ? If so investigate, better to invade their privacy on the phone or pc than to have the situation end like this.

Computers do tend to depersonalise things and I know myself I've probably said things online to people in arguments or discussions that I probably wouldn't say face to face and people have done the same to me. But I'm in my thirties and I can understand and deal with that. I think it's a very different kettle of fish for teenagers and kids who are still learning how to deal with different kinds of emotions. I don't think there's any one answer that's going to tie all this up neatly. I think parents need to foster open and honest relationships with their kids so that the kid will feel comfortable coming to them if they have a problem. Also parents need to educate themselves on bullying and the possible effects it can have on children. I think it can be hard for parents to understand and differentiate between what is general teenage moodiness and depression but like I said if you have an open relationship with your kids they can hopefully communicate these feelings to you.

There is something seriously wrong with society!!

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