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child protection???don't make me laugh.

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  • #32
    marble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭marble


    Spiritual wrote: »

    It may be, but would you worry about that if it was your kid. I don't want to come across as a rabble rouser but Jesus sometimes you have to act, his niece/nephew could now be sitting in a room with a bunch of strung out junkies.

    What affect is this having on the kids, what danger are they in?
    EXACTLY.


  • #33
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    Spiritual wrote: »
    It may be, but would you worry about that if it was your kid. I don't want to come across as a rabble rouser but Jesus sometimes you have to act, his niece/nephew could now be sitting in a room with a bunch of strung out junkies.

    What affect is this having on the kids, what danger are they in?

    You have to act within the law and legal system or else you do not end up with a permanent solution and that can be even more damaging for children.

    What this guy needs to be doing is going back to court, recording every bit of info, reporting everything, following up on everything etc...

    Otherwise he has no permanent solution and his child keeps getting put back into the same situation.


  • #34
    Jesus Shaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    Spiritual wrote: »
    Sometimes the law is an ass and you need to act outside it to protect the innocent.

    Just saying.

    Absolutely terrible advice when it comes to a case involving a child in a situation like this


  • #35
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    I had asked you Marble how long the mother is on heroin but re-read your OP and you say a few years.

    You also say the child is now 4 years old.

    So from this I take it that the mother has been on heroin for most of the child's life?

    But you and your family have NOW decided the time is right to get this child removed after leaving her in that environment for all that time?????

    And are pis*ed off at everyone for not doing things quick enough to rescue this child from a dangerous home that you and her father(your brother) were well aware of?

    Think you are not telling the whole story there Marble


  • #36
    marble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭marble


    Odysseus wrote: »

    Please don't do this, you have no legal right and will make things harder for your brother.

    Is the mother on treatment for her heroin habit, ay what evidence have you that her heroin use is causing her to neglect the child?

    I work in the addiction services I need something soild before I contact social services drug use itself is not enough I need to show neglect is happening.

    Services are over worked I know that is no excuse but if they are investigating the issue then they are doing something.

    You need document everything and keep in regular contact with social services,
    No she's not getting treatment.get this...last Sunday my brother was making his daughter dinner.he took tin foil from the press and she asked him was he gonna have a smoke.she's 4.


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  • #37
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    Jesus Shaves wrote: »
    Absolutely terrible advice when it comes to a case involving a child in a situation like this

    I agree. The OPs brother can run around wasting energy doing the wrong things or he can speak to his solicitor regarding the correct things to do and do them.

    I dont think anyone on this thread should be advocating operating outside the law.


  • #38
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Spiritual wrote: »
    It may be, but would you worry about that if it was your kid. I don't want to come across as a rabble rouser but Jesus sometimes you have to act, his niece/nephew could now be sitting in a room with a bunch of strung out junkies.

    What affect is this having on the kids, what danger are they in?

    Being in a room with other drug users will not cause the child any direct harm, I see children in the clinics waiting room all the time. Their presence will not cause any danger by itself.

    If the child was in immediate danger they would have this on the home visit, however, just because the child is not in immediate danger that does not mean social services will not have to intervene.

    Hopefully the level of intervention that is required is currently being established.


  • #39
    marble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭marble


    Smidge wrote: »
    I had asked you Marble how long the mother is on heroin but re-read your OP and you say a few years.

    You also say the child is now 4 years old.

    So from this I take it that the mother has been on heroin for most of the child's life?

    But you and your family have NOW decided the time is right to get this child removed after leaving her in that environment for all that time?????

    And are pis*ed off at everyone for not doing things quick enough to rescue this child from a dangerous home that you and her father(your brother) were well aware of?

    Think you are not telling the whole story there Marble
    My brother has been trying since the child was a baby.hits brick walls every corner he turns


  • #40
    Jesus Shaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    username123 wrote: »
    I agree. The OPs brother can run around wasting energy doing the wrong things or he can speak to his solicitor regarding the correct things to do and do them.

    I dont think anyone on this thread should be advocating operating outside the law.

    If the brother breaks the law he'll only end up coming out the worse and lose any access to the child


  • #41
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    marble wrote: »
    My brother has been trying since the child was a baby.hits brick walls every corner he turns

    Can you detail exactly what steps your brother has taken and the results of these steps? How many times has he been to court for example and what is the judge saying re the heroin abuse?


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  • #42
    Spiritual
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭Spiritual


    Jesus Shaves wrote: »
    Absolutely terrible advice when it comes to a case involving a child in a situation like this

    You are right. I will bow out here as I have history with an episode like this. Failing to act sooner proved long term detrimental to someone very close to me. Sometimes the process of law can be too late.

    OP, I wish you and your family all the best, especially the kids.


  • #43
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    marble wrote: »
    My brother has been trying since the child was a baby.hits brick walls every corner he turns

    Sorry OP, something doesn't add up with this story for me.

    I get the feeling that something on a "personal level" has happened between your family and the child's mother which doesn't have anything to do with her being an addict.

    I know people like to bash social services but we have,by comparison, a decent system here so I couldn't see how your brother keeps meeting brick walls.


  • #44
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    marble wrote: »
    No she's not getting treatment.get this...last Sunday my brother was making his daughter dinner.he took tin foil from the press and she asked him was he gonna have a smoke.she's 4.

    Right , another option is to contact her treatment provider and express you concerns for the child. Tell them you are offically inform them of these con.

    Yeah, I have heard that and worse before, by itself it is not enough to remove the child. Stuff like this can be addressed quite easy, and if the parent does not engage then it can be increased.

    In your opinion is the child in immediate danger, so h so that the child would NEED to be removed at once?


  • #45
    marble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭marble


    username123 wrote: »

    Can you detail exactly what steps your brother has taken and the results of these steps? How many times has he been to court for example and what is the judge saying re the heroin abuse?
    Yes I can detail everything but to be honest it would take too long


  • #46
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    marble wrote: »
    Yes I can detail everything but to be honest it would take too long

    Well, a reasonable account - the reason I ask is that other posters will be better able to help if they know what has already been tried.


  • #47
    marble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭marble


    Smidge wrote: »

    Sorry OP, something doesn't add up with this story for me.

    I get the feeling that something on a "personal level" has happened between your family and the child's mother which doesn't have anything to do with her being an addict.

    I know people like to bash social services but we have,by comparison, a decent system here so I couldn't see how your brother keeps meeting brick walls.
    She and us are from different counties.nothing on a "personal level" has ever happened.they were only together a couple of months


  • #48
    marble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭marble


    Odysseus wrote: »

    Right , another option is to contact her treatment provider and express you concerns for the child. Tell them you are offically inform them of these con.

    Yeah, I have heard that and worse before, by itself it is not enough to remove the child. Stuff like this can be addressed quite easy, and if the parent does not engage then it can be increased.

    In your opinion is the child in immediate danger, so h so that the child would NEED to be removed at once?
    Yes and her other child(not related to us)is in danger too.he's 8


  • #49
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    marble wrote: »
    Yes I can detail everything but to be honest it would take too long

    Your brother has been to court, before a Judge, in relation to this?


  • #50
    marble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭marble


    Smidge wrote: »

    Your brother has been to court, before a Judge, in relation to this?
    He's been to court for access and guardianship which he got.
    To be honest he's been threatening to bring her to court over the last couple of years but she's turned on the tears and promised to change.things have gotten worse in the last month or so,so he's applied for a court date and is waiting to hear back.


  • #51
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    marble wrote: »
    He's been to court for access and guardianship which he got.
    To be honest he's been threatening to bring her to court over the last couple of years but she's turned on the tears and promised to change.things have gotten worse in the last month or so,so he's applied for a court date and is waiting to hear back.

    He can hardly complain that social services are acting slowly!


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  • #52
    yermandan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭yermandan


    Have you made a report marble? If not then do so asap, the more reports from different sources, the bigger the evidence against her gets and the more likely the child will receive the intervention they need


  • #53
    marble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭marble


    username123 wrote: »

    He can hardly complain that social services are acting slowly!
    Read my original post.he has been trying to get anyone to help him but it was treated like a hot potato


  • #54
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    marble wrote: »
    He's been to court for access and guardianship which he got.
    To be honest he's been threatening to bring her to court over the last couple of years but she's turned on the tears and promised to change.things have gotten worse in the last month or so,so he's applied for a court date and is waiting to hear back.

    If your brother has been granted Guardianship his voice would most certainly be heard by authorities with regard to the situation the child is in.


  • #55
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    yermandan wrote: »
    Have you made a report marble? If not then do so asap, the more reports from different sources, the bigger the evidence against her gets and the more likely the child will receive the intervention they need

    According to marble the social services are in the process at the moment of finalising a report.


  • #56
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    marble wrote: »
    Read my original post.he has been trying to get anyone to help him but it was treated like a hot potato

    But why hasnt he gone back to court? For two years he has been threatening to but then hasnt because she cried?

    Something here isnt adding up. You said in the original post that she has been into heroin for a few years, then that your brother has been threatening but not following through for a couple of years, now that he has been trying to get anyone to help him but its a hot potato.

    Im not really clear on what part of it to believe but am inclined to think something recent has happened that has suddenly caused your brother to jump to action.


  • #57
    Jesus Shaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    Smidge wrote: »
    If your brother has been granted Guardianship his voice would most certainly be heard by authorities with regard to the situation the child is in.

    No it wouldn't, guardianship means fuk all


  • #58
    marble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭marble


    Smidge wrote: »

    If your brother has been granted Guardianship his voice would most certainly be heard by authorities with regard to the situation the child is in.
    I know that,you know that,he knows that which is why we can't understand how the kids are allowed to live in this environment given he's exhausted nearly every avenue


  • #59
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    marble wrote: »
    I know that,you know that,he knows that which is why we can't understand how the kids are allowed to live in this environment given he's exhausted nearly every avenue

    But he hasnt gone to court over this in 2 years! How is that exhausting every avenue?


  • #60
    marble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭marble


    username123 wrote: »

    But why hasnt he gone back to court? For two years he has been threatening to but then hasnt because she cried?

    Something here isnt adding up. You said in the original post that she has been into heroin for a few years, then that your brother has been threatening but not following through for a couple of years, now that he has been trying to get anyone to help him but its a hot potato.

    Im not really clear on what part of it to believe but am inclined to think something recent has happened that has suddenly caused your brother to jump to action.
    Yeah she was seen at 12.15am staggering up the street with her 2 kids on tow


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  • #61
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    marble wrote: »
    Yes and her other child(not related to us)is in danger too.he's 8

    I don't know the story in this case, in my experience when I am told something needs to be done about a child, the reality does not match what the person is doing. Yes an intervention may be needed but not one that involves removing the child; things need to be really bad for this.


    A mother using heroin enough by itself, to justify removing a child. As I suggested make a listhe concerns and report these toreatment provider, you may need to put it in writing, but if there is anything there they will have to act on it.
    Keep on making reports and keep a log of them


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