Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

Leiva · 26-11-2012 10:13AM

Waaaahhaaay eyes are opening !

Handsome Bob · 26-11-2012 10:39AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Rodgers making noises about not much movement in Jan.

If a decent striker isn't brought in it's probably a 50 or so point season and Suarez could well be on the move in the summer and you couldn't blame him.

The owners need to wake up.

It's almost a moral responsibility to bring in a striker in January as we cannot keep playing Suarez as much as we are, it's unhealthy.

gafferino · 26-11-2012 10:50AM

I made this point the other day about the January transfer window i.e. I would be worried they wont actually buy in players due to the usual "no value in January" etc. I have a feeling this could happen and we wont see any 'significant' player bought until the summer.
Really is a cluster f*ck if that happens. 8 games unbeaten but some of those draws could/should have been wins with more striking options.
I don't see the point in bringing back Carrol tbh - he doesnt suit how we play at all (and he is not good enough!).

Yakult · 26-11-2012 10:51AM

S. De Sousa wrote: »

It's almost a moral responsibility to bring in a striker in January as we cannot keep playing Suarez as much as we are, it's unhealthy.

Plus, if teams stop Suarez effectively we have little or no chance of scoring.
Badly need reinforcements, clear for all to ****ing see.

noodler · 26-11-2012 10:57AM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Eh, he was offside.

MOTD2 showed a better camera angle than any of the streams I was watching.

Only Enrique's arm was offside in the freezeframe and since you can't score with that...

I should say though that in this particular freeze frame I couldn't see Suarez crossing the ball in the picture but I assume they froze at the correct time!

This is the image although it looks cropped, can't find a better freeze right now.

Benimar · 26-11-2012 10:59AM

I'm not overly worried about Rodgers comments in relation to the January transfer window. I see it as an attempt to keep the price of potential targets down as, although everyone knows we need reinforcements, if we look too desperate then it drives the price up further.

Its a bit like walking into a shop on Christmas Eve and telling the salesman 'I have to have that coat for the wife for Christmas or she'll cut my unmentionables off!' He automatically thinks he can make a killing from the sale.

However, if you go in and say 'I'm thinking of buying that coat, whats your best price', you may get it at a more reasonable price.

Leiva · 26-11-2012 10:59AM

S. De Sousa wrote: »

It's almost a moral responsibility to bring in a striker in January as we cannot keep playing Suarez as much as we are, it's unhealthy.

gafferino wrote: »

I made this point the other day about the January transfer window i.e. I would be worried they wont actually buy in players due to the usual "no value in January" etc. I have a feeling this could happen and we wont see any 'significant' player bought until the summer.
Really is a cluster f*ck if that happens. 8 games unbeaten but some of those draws could/should have been wins with more striking options.
I don't see the point in bringing back Carrol tbh - he doesnt suit how we play at all (and he is not good enough!).

Yakult wrote: »

Plus, if teams stop Suarez effectively we have little or no chance of scoring.
Badly need reinforcements, clear for all to ****ing see.

12 months ago we were in the same position of being chronically short of a finisher beside Suarez, so two transfer windows later nothing has changed.

If we had of addressed it when it was glaringly obvious we could now be looking at a better league finish last season, higher up the table this season, and strengthening in other areas this window.
No we procrastinated and the hamster wheel continues.

Jan is a must to add a striker and John W has the ball well and truly in his court with the open letter etc.
Warner- I just ignore now.

If they don't add and we carry on regardless (sure the books are good :rolleyes: ) then expect Suarez et al to look to greener pastures, and the shock Daithjlll was on about will well and truly come to the owners when they lose the only thing that is keeping their piss weak plan intact.

Morzadec · 26-11-2012 11:02AM

noodler wrote: »

MOTD2 showed a better camera angle than any of the streams I was watching.

Only Enrique's arm was offside in the freezeframe and since you can't score with that...

I should say though that in this particular freeze frame I couldn't see Suarez crossing the ball in the picture but I assume they froze at the correct time!

This is the image although it looks cropped, can't find a better freeze right now.

Ugh... please tell me it was correctly ruled out, I don't know if I could take yet another bad refereeing decision costing us 2 points...

26-11-2012 11:08AM

Morzadec wrote: »

Ugh... please tell me it was correctly ruled out, I don't know if I could take yet another bad refereeing decision costing us 2 points...

Just look at the photo, the line isn't in the right place, the Swansea player's foot is visible ffs.

noodler · 26-11-2012 11:10AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just look at the photo, the line isn't in the right place, the Swansea player's foot is visible ffs.

I am confused.

Are you saying it was or wasn't offside?

~Rebel~ · 26-11-2012 11:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just look at the photo, the line isn't in the right place, the Swansea player's foot is visible ffs.

The foot you see in that frame isn't what is setting the line though, it's the next man lower down the picture (who is out of frame in this one), and in the MotD replay, the line is exactly on that players foot. From what MotD2 showed, Enrique was onside. (Though as Noodler said, they were showing it close in, so we have to presume they paused it at the moment of Suarez playing the ball, but them doing anything else would have been pointless).

Local_Chap · 26-11-2012 11:16AM

Buttonftw wrote: »

Just look at the photo, the line isn't in the right place, the Swansea player's foot is visible ffs.

Swansea had other defenders,who aren't in the picture,behind that foot,hence the line being where it is?

amiable · 26-11-2012 11:17AM

Buttonftw wrote: »

Just look at the photo, the line isn't in the right place, the Swansea player's foot is visible ffs.

That picture is cropped and the player MOTD were claiming played Enrique on isn't in the pic.
It was such a close call I personally wouldn't call it a travesty or anything like that.

Turtyturd · 26-11-2012 11:23AM

Think those quotes from 'The Rodgers' are just to lower expectations so people will be delighted when we sign Daniel Sturridge.

amiable · 26-11-2012 11:27AM

Rodgers made a good point on the offside call.
You can't score with your hand.

Turtyturd · 26-11-2012 11:29AM

amiable wrote: »

Rodgers made a good point on the offside call.
You can't score with your hand.

So did noodler.....sign up 'The Noodler' as his replacement. :pac:

Francie Barrett · 26-11-2012 11:33AM

daithijjj wrote: »

When asked if there would be significant spending in January, particularly on the wafer-thin attacking options, he said: "I'm not so sure it will be in January, to be honest. This year the club wanted to balance the books and see where it was at.

"There was a big investment in the club and a lot of players went out in the summer and a few came in.

"We will look to do some business in January to support the players here. The owners trust me to grow the club over time. As a manager you're always looking at the short term, but eventually we will get there."

I don't have any problems with any of this, as long as the owners don't end up pulling the rug from under Rodgers.

jesus_thats_gre · 26-11-2012 11:39AM

noodler wrote: »

MOTD2 showed a better camera angle than any of the streams I was watching.

Only Enrique's arm was offside in the freezeframe and since you can't score with that...

I should say though that in this particular freeze frame I couldn't see Suarez crossing the ball in the picture but I assume they froze at the correct time!

This is the image although it looks cropped, can't find a better freeze right now.

From that image, his head looks to be ahead.

IIRC, the offside rule is not limited to the players legs as he is able to score with his head.

Mind you, that is the first time that I have seen that photo. The replays looked offside but I am not so sure now.

amiable · 26-11-2012 11:40AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I don't have any problems with any of this, as long as the owners don't end up pulling the rug from under Rodgers.

At best I think it means the striker/player he really wants isn't available in January IMO.
We still need to go out and sign another player to play up front though.

Melion · 26-11-2012 11:43AM

amiable wrote: »

At best I think it means the striker/player he really wants isn't available in January IMO.
We still need to go out and sign another player to play up front though.

Would you rather he signed someone for the sake of signing someone and potentially not having the money for who he really wants in the summer?

amiable · 26-11-2012 11:44AM

Melion wrote: »

Would you rather he signed someone for the sake of signing someone and potentially not having the money for who he really wants in the summer?

No I wouldn't and I quite clearly didn't say I would.
I said we need to sign someone in January to play up front.

Francie Barrett · 26-11-2012 11:48AM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Wishing for someone to come in and pump money into the club without the club itself having a sound financial basis without that backer is just pointless.

I am with you on that.

I don't think that people realise just how badly our club has been mismanaged in the last 5 years. Last year, we had the 4th highest wage bill in the Premier League, but yet we were a garden mile of getting 4th spot. The likes of Maxi, Kuyt and Aquilani were on massive, massive wages, but quite frankly were not delivering performances relative to their peers.

Melion · 26-11-2012 11:48AM

amiable wrote: »

No I wouldn't and I quite clearly didn't say I would.
I said we need to sign someone in January to play up front.

Sorry, I must have took you up the wrong way.
If the player he really wants isn't available until the Summer then I would hope he won't waste money just for the sake of making a signing and trying to appease the fans.

Fizman · 26-11-2012 11:52AM

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

From that image, his head looks to be ahead.

IIRC, the offside rule is not limited to the players legs as he is able to score with his head.

Mind you, that is the first time that I have seen that photo. The replays looked offside but I am not so sure now.

If this is the case then it's news to me. I was always under the impression your physical field position determined your offside status, not how big your head is or how long your arms are.

Myself and my old man were watching the game, and both of us thought it was onside having watched the replays. Davie Provan was p1ssing me off, saying 'oh absolutely the right call' etc etc. For me it was a goal all day long.

amiable · 26-11-2012 11:52AM

Melion wrote: »

Sorry, I must have took you up the wrong way.
If the player he really wants isn't available until the Summer then I would hope he won't waste money just for the sake of making a signing and trying to appease the fans.

But the squad is light in attacking options so I think a small investment even a loan signing perhaps would just give extra options.
If we continue with the squad as it is til the summer I think it will end badly.
Results need to start improving and I don't see that happening with a tried burnt out squad with little options.
There are bargains out there and we need to find them.

Chucky the tree · 26-11-2012 11:52AM

Here's the full image of the goal that wasn't given yesterday.

amiable · 26-11-2012 11:53AM

Fizman wrote: »

If this is the case then it's news to me. I was always under the impression your physical field position determined your offside status, not how big your head is or how long your arms are.

Myself and my old man were watching the game, and both of us thought it was onside having watched the replays. Davie Provan was p1ssing me off, saying 'oh absolutely the right call' etc etc. For me it was a goal all day long.

Provan was persistantly getting players names wrong during the game.
He's a poor co commentator IMHO.

noodler · 26-11-2012 11:55AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

So did noodler.....sign up 'The Noodler' as his replacement. :pac:

The Noodler also comes incredibly cheap.

Did no one see MOTD2 last night? Its where I first saw the snap which seems to say it might well have been onside.

I also thought off when I saw the match replays at the time but I think it was just the camera angle.

Anyway, we can all understand why it was flagged offside at least.

EDIT: Chucky beat me to it. Googled high and low but couldn't find the non-cropped version of that MOTD2 image. Defo seems onside to me now.

Crash Bang Wall · 26-11-2012 11:55AM

Melion wrote: »

Sorry, I must have took you up the wrong way.
If the player he really wants isn't available until the Summer then I would hope he won't waste money just for the sake of making a signing and trying to appease the fans.

We need at least 1 striker in January, end of story. Whether it be Huntelaar, Walcott, or someone like Fletcher or Shane Long.....someone who knows where the back of the net is. If we have to overpay then Im afraid thats what we have to do. We also need LB cover, but the fact that we have Robinson/Downing/Enrique/Johnson who can play there I wouldnt overpay for a player.

Re LB, the only player I trust in the position is Johnson, but we need him RB against Spurs. Bale will destroy Wisdom

Francie Barrett · 26-11-2012 12:03PM

Perhaps the board are reluctant to commit to bring another striker in while Carroll's future is still up in the air? Isn't he on £80k a week, and isn't it conceivable that West Ham may decide not to exercise their option on him?

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