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saorsat and freesat on humax forsat hdr

  • 20-11-2012 01:25PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭


    I see there are at least 3 if not 4 people on here at present trying to set up a soarsat-freesat combination on a humax box i have asked the mods to set up a sticky as i recon there will be a lot of people trying this as time goes on .
    so can we pool our knowledge , and ask questions here
    so first question, can anyone post a wiring digram for connecting the 2 lnbs to the humax box so that we can watch RTE, and record off freesat, thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,111 ✭✭✭zg3409


    229428.jpg

    Note the UK LNB should be connected to the lowest number port (normally 1)

    DiSEqC needs to be setup in the hidden menu
    See here:

    http://foxsat-hdr.wikispaces.com/DiSEqC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    thanks ... cannot remember your username !! that is brilliant now that i know the wiring next question.. i take it i try and get the 9e sat first as i think that is a difficult beam to find, do i align on that satellite exactly and off set the other lnb for 28 or do i aim somewhere in between and offset both lnbs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    you are almost done, there is another link that shows how to load new software on the humax to make it even better , will have a look for you. On setting up the dish with a lnb holder the rule used to be always align the central lnb on the weakest sat, in this case 9east. I used a normal lnb to set up then swop to the ka lnb, its a lot harder to align with the ka band lnb. dish size and location is important. 80cm is a bit small in my reckoning but no doubt will be proved wrong.

    found it, its this one but set it up as normal first, even I find this one daunting but looks very good.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056747871


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    @zg3409 thats a nice graphic but how can he record bbc1 and itv at same time with this set up? just curious


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    @gbcullen, in one post you say that is a great solution then you go and spoil it in the next by saying it wont work !! confused again


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    sorry, i just wanted an explanation that would help you!! say its a b c d, then the reply could be if a = 28, b =9, c= 9, d= 28, then when set to record freesat will select the correct option.

    or it could read different, hope you understand but if you read the article on the diseq closely I think the answer is in there.

    it will work so no worries.

    gbc

    off to watch footie now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    Update ,,:Di now realize i have a triax 88 which is a 90 cm dish so i should be in a better position to get my scheme working now waiting for the wind to die down


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    dharn wrote: »
    @gbcullen, in one post you say that is a great solution then you go and spoil it in the next by saying it wont work !! confused again

    He does have a point. The graphic seems to show a 2-way switch for each tuner: does this actually work? (I've deleted my own earlier post, where I just assumed it would work.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    dont know peter i am here looking for help and the benefit of your experience i have all the gear arrived today now i have to get it working :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    no panic, this is the answer, " The following setup assumes you have TWO 28E feeds - one feed will directly go into the HDR, the other 28E feed is connected to one of the inputs on the switch" the graphic is missing a cable, and its for 2 stb's not one but a good guide.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,111 ✭✭✭zg3409


    GBCULLEN wrote: »
    no panic, this is the answer, " The following setup assumes you have TWO 28E feeds - one feed will directly go into the HDR, the other 28E feed is connected to one of the inputs on the switch" the graphic is missing a cable, and its for 2 stb's not one but a good guide.

    No. The graphic shows one Set top box, that takes two feeds. This setup is based on a dual tuner box with inbuilt hard drive for recording. Before setting up Saorsat the two feeds should be tested with the UK channels only.

    Then the Saorsat LNB is added, and TWO DiSEqC switches are mounted near the dish. In this way each tuner can select either LNB. With this setup you can watch either an Irish or UK channel while recording either an Irish or UK channel.

    I would recommend a quad or octo LNB for the UK channels to allow further receivers to be added later.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    Ask iba, he has just set up for 4 sats on a Humax HDR with Raydon's bundle

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=81830344#post81830344


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭swoofer


    good stuff, the box is a humax freesat so he needs the option to record the 2 uk channels at once and iba will put him on the right track.

    so you are sorted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    zg3409 wrote: »
    229428.jpg

    Note the UK LNB should be connected to the lowest number port (normally 1)

    DiSEqC needs to be setup in the hidden menu
    See here:

    http://foxsat-hdr.wikispaces.com/DiSEqC

    re the above scheme you say the uk channels should be connected to port 1 but at the uk channels Freesat are connected to both diseq switches does it make any difference which port they are connected to


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Port 1 or Port 1A or Port AA of both Diseqc switches (or a Multiswitch which has FOUR inputs for each port, LH, LV, HH, HV).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    i have 2 4 way diseq switches and 2 dual lnbs the diseq are marked lnb 1,2,3,4, i will be only using 1,2 on each, so you mean connect the freesat lnb output to lnb 1 in on both diseq,and connect the output from the other lnb to lnb input 2 on both switches, then the 2 output leads go to the 2 inputs on my humax (marked lnb1, lnb 2 ) does it make any difference which lead is connected to which input on the reciever


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,111 ✭✭✭zg3409


    You are correct. It should not matter.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Can tuner 2 handle DiSEqC? Has anyone actually set this up & tested it, or is it a work in progress?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,111 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    Can tuner 2 handle DiSEqC? Has anyone actually set this up & tested it, or is it a work in progress?

    I would assume so. It's a hidden feature on the box. Have you evidence otherwise? I see reports of people using it with other satellites.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    I know the Foxsat has some DiSEqC ability. I was just wondering if both tuners can switch between sat. positions or is tuner 2 limited to one position. I have no evidence one way or another.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    i dont know peter, it is a work in progress. very slow the weather is so bad, i have the dish mounting bracket up and the cables fed in to the attic the dish assembled and the lnbs fitted waiting fo ra sat finder to arrive, so the moment of truth is coming closer for me, will keep progress updated thanks to all posters so far , keep them coming


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ronnie Raygun


    As it would seem you're the 1st here to actually try to set up a Foxsat in this manner, with a diseqc switch for each tuner, I can't understand why others have already offered "advice" & posted diagrams for systems based purely on assumptions that are at best merely informed by experience with other receivers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    It would be bizarre if it didn't work as suggested (both tuners supporting diseqc). It's just about 99.9% certain that for proper operation you need either a Diseqc for each port (all wired the same and 28.2 on port1) or a multiswitch.

    Sometimes assumptions are based on an understanding of "how stuff works". If it doesn't work as suggested it's essentially broken firmware. The idea of a multiswitch or diseqc per tuner is also the most flexible method which can be adapted to work even with "broken" firmware.

    If a tuner doesn't support Diseqc at all (eg Sky box), and is connected to a Multiswitch or Diseqc output you will get Port 1 (= AA, 1A, A1, 11 etc) by default.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    As it would seem you're the 1st here to actually try to set up a Foxsat in this manner, with a diseqc switch for each tuner, I can't understand why others have already offered "advice" & posted diagrams for systems based purely on assumptions that are at best merely informed by experience with other receivers.

    i think a board member called ida has already put 4 lnb feed on a humax i would hate to think that someone with my level of experience in satellite setup would be the first to try this, but to clarify what i am basically trying to achieve is have the rtes, bbcs etc all on one epg and even better if i can set up scheduled recording of programmes from each, though i feel i may not be able to record off the saorsat lnb or do series link


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    watty wrote: »
    It would be bizarre if it didn't work as suggested (both tuners supporting diseqc). It's just about 99.9% certain that for proper operation you need either a Diseqc for each port (all wired the same and 28.2 on port1) or a multiswitch.

    Sometimes assumptions are based on an understanding of "how stuff works". If it doesn't work as suggested it's essentially broken firmware. The idea of a multiswitch or diseqc per tuner is also the most flexible method which can be adapted to work even with "broken" firmware.

    If a tuner doesn't support Diseqc at all (eg Sky box), and is connected to a Multiswitch or Diseqc output you will get Port 1 (= AA, 1A, A1, 11 etc) by default.

    humax definitely supports diseq but not out of the box perhaps


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    dharn wrote: »
    i think a board member called ida has already put 4 lnb feed on a humax i would hate to think that someone with my level of experience in satellite setup would be the first to try this, but to clarify what i am basically trying to achieve is have the rtes, bbcs etc all on one epg and even better if i can set up scheduled recording of programmes from each, though i feel i may not be able to record off the saorsat lnb or do series link

    You definitely won't be able to do a series link on anything other than freesat channels, even out of region freesat channels cannot be series linked when added to the freesat channel list. I added ITV1 HD along with a couple of others, and they are assigned a number in the 5000's. You wont even be able to do a timed recording from the epg, but you can set a manual timer for them, even from the Saorsat (or any other sat) lnb.
    At the end of the day Saorsat is just another lnb to the receiver.
    This is still, with it's limitations, one of the most flexible non generic receivers out.
    there.
    Take a good read through AV Forums Freesat section, all the info will be there somewhere, some on there have done all this (Saorsat excepted) long ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    thanks for that, ex , even if i apply the radon patch does all the above hold true ( Hope you know what i mean by the radon patch )


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    You will need to apply Raydon's software before you can edit your freesat list to include non-freesat channels. They will be stored at number 5000 upwards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    dharn wrote: »
    humax definitely supports diseq but not out of the box perhaps

    It supports Diseqc only in non-Freesat mode (without patches, out of the box), hence Freesat channels must be on port 1 (only resets to port1 without a command with a power cycle).

    The "patch" seems to allow diseqc and non-freesat channels without having to leave freesat mode. (via Digitalspy )

    Some Freesat HD models (Sagem?) don't support Disqec at all, even in "non-Freesat" mode.

    It's only firmware for ANY model to do Diseqc as the 22kHz used for High / Low band switching is "pulsed" to send Diseqc commands. So even any Sky box can do it and automatically enabled over the air, if sky wanted it.

    The EU should make it mandatory as it's only a simple software update and the very cheapest generic boxes do support a basic 4 way switch. Other Channels was made mandatory after a German PayTV operator lost a court case, but Freesat and Sky pay lipservice to that. On Sky it's really only working properly for DVB-S and not DVB-S2 and they never allowed SR entry, only two options.

    It's a shame.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭excollier


    "A shame?" For Sky it makes perfect sense, they don't want their customers discovering that they can actually watch stuff for free that they (Sky) charge for (F1 for example) by being able to use their box to switch to foreign satellites at will.
    Most of Sky's customers dont even realise that there is an alternative to Sky for satellite tv, even for the Astra 2 fta stuff. They blindly keep paying a sub for the UK fta channels, thinking that they have something wonderful.
    Yes, it is a shame.
    So, good for Humax (and freesat for allowing it) that their receiver is patchable for these reasons, along with other functions.
    You may detect some contempt from me for Sky


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