Garda accused of rape in station.

omahaid · 19-11-2012 11:11AM

Remmy wrote: »

Well this guys life is never going to be the same again. Even if it was a mallicious rumour and he was proved innocent.

I agree, look at the OP - "I hope he is kicked from the force, he does not deserve to keep his job". And this is before a trial!

JohnMarston · 19-11-2012 11:12AM

If these allegations turn out to be true, i would hope that a kicking from the force would be a start, thats a given

Remmy · 19-11-2012 11:15AM

omahaid wrote: »

I agree, look at the OP - "I hope he is kicked from the force, he does not deserve to keep his job". And this is before a trial!

Ah sure it's guilty until proven innocent or something like that right?

omahaid · 19-11-2012 11:16AM

Remmy wrote: »

Ah sure it's guilty until proven innocent or something like that right?

Depends on your gender I suspect.

Show Time · 19-11-2012 11:39AM

Martin Nolan wil just hit him with a fine.

Madam_X · 19-11-2012 09:10PM

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

This is a Garda using his power to allegedly abuse and rape a vulnerable teenager who went to him for help. I hope he is kicked from the force, he does not deserve to keep his job.
http://www.herald.ie/news/garda-accused-of-rape-in-station-3295669.html
I edited to put in Allegedly.

flutterflye wrote: »

Oh my god - and the girl was seeking to report a sexual assault, and the prick of a guard that she went to to report it went and allegedly raped her :eek:

Sticking "allegedly" in there doesn't change that it looks like you're saying it really happened.

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Look at everybody jumping on board with the Garda just because of a word.

How many of these 'alleged' cases are ever found to be false?

If it's true, and more than likely is, i hope he gets tortured to death. She comes for help and gets that? Sick ****er.
allegedly

F'ucking hell - "jumping on board with him because of a word" when we don't know that it actually happened? It's more than a word, it's the difference between it happening and not happening... and you know it. Nice of you to stick "allegedly" after your comment stating you're pretty much sure he did it. And putting spoiler tags around it too.

It's attitudes like the above that ruin an innocent person's life - shame on you. I'm so glad his name is not being disclosed. If it turns out he's guilty, I won't take a word of the above back. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that this could be a false accusation. It has happened. The fact such allegations are often true, doesn't change that. I'll never forget the heartbreaking sight of a man who worked as a teacher finally being exonerated after false accusations of sexual abuse, and bursting into tears on camera.

If this guy is guilty though, he deserves to go to a high security prison for a long time.
"Tortured to death" - ****ing lol.

HeyThereDeliah · 19-11-2012 09:18PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Sticking "allegedly" in there doesn't change that it looks like you're saying it really happened.

I know I should have put it there at the start and I apologise for my error. I would usually be the one defending a person accused until the facts were known.

There seems to be a strong case here and it's not often a member gets suspended unless there is some concern re allegations.

19-11-2012 09:36PM

well what do you know? A bandwagon as fúcking usual for this alleged crime. nothing proven yet but great to see the brain dead witch hunters in action yet again.

midlandsmissus · 19-11-2012 09:45PM

What really annoys me about these cases is the whole 'ALLEGEDLY', Its not proved, she just said it, it's not proven.

Of course it's not proven till it goes through courts, we all know that, but why the huge wave to shout over everything 'ALLEGEDLY!!!!!!!!!!'

If some-one came forward and said a person pick pocketed on them street, would everyone shout 'well thats what they said, it's ALLEGEDLY!!!!'.

Because generally why would people make it up? Why on earth? And why is it always with rape cases that people are so obsessed with the word allegedly and not with other crimes? People generally dont make up detailed stories of crimes about them up. Why would you do it?

I sometimes think people automatically would rather believe it didn't happen because it is too horrible that comprehend that it did.

flutterflye · 19-11-2012 09:48PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What really annoys me about these cases is the whole 'ALLEGEDLY', Its not proved, she just said it, it's not proven.

Of course it's not proven till it goes through courts, we all know that, but why the huge wave to shout over everything 'ALLEGEDLY!!!!!!!!!!'

If some-one came forward and said a person pick pocketed on them street, would everyone shout 'well thats what they said, it's ALLEGEDLY!!!!'.

Because generally why would people make it up? Why on earth? And why is it always with rape cases that people are so obsessed with the word allegedly and not with other crimes? People generally dont make up detailed stories of crimes about them up. Why would you do it?

I sometimes think people automatically would rather believe it didn't happen because it is too horrible that comprehend that it did.

I understand why the mods say it - fear of legal repercussions.
But I really don't understand everyone else.
In this case, I would give the girl the benefit of the doubt over the guard.

jaffacakesyum · 19-11-2012 09:54PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What really annoys me about these cases is the whole 'ALLEGEDLY', Its not proved, she just said it, it's not proven.

Of course it's not proven till it goes through courts, we all know that, but why the huge wave to shout over everything 'ALLEGEDLY!!!!!!!!!!'

If some-one came forward and said a person pick pocketed on them street, would everyone shout 'well thats what they said, it's ALLEGEDLY!!!!'.

Because generally why would people make it up? Why on earth? And why is it always with rape cases that people are so obsessed with the word allegedly and not with other crimes? People generally dont make up detailed stories of crimes about them up. Why would you do it?

I sometimes think people automatically would rather believe it didn't happen because it is too horrible that comprehend that it did.

Have to say I agree and I think it very much comes down to the gender of the individual.

A lot of men will instantly assume the accused is innocent and will defend their honour until proven guilty. When found guilty, some men will still deny it/question it/not want to believe it's true.

A lot of women will instantly assume the accused is guilty and want harsh or sadistic punishments.

Realistically, neither is right. It's not right to always defend accused rapists and sexual offenders as soon as you hear these cases. There's an attitude of desperately hoping the man isn't found guilty. There are cases of wrongly accused but they're in the minority. This is what a lot of people don't realise...they assume there's a witch hunt and everyones out to label people rapists. There are cases of false accusations and they make me sick and I think in those cases the "victim" should be punished. EDIT to clarify: On the other hand, it's not right to assume instantly without hearing any facts of the case that the accused is guilty.

I don't have any facts of this case so I cannot say this man is guilty and a horrible person and he should rot in hell etc.

However, if true, and I suspect it is, I hope he gets a proper sentencing. I suspect if found guilty he will get a suspended sentence.

midlandsmissus · 19-11-2012 09:54PM

Show Time wrote: »

Martin Nolan wil just hit him with a fine.

If this man is found guilty and given a fine, I will absolutely get out in protest. I don't want to live in a country where rape and sexual assault (something that destroys people's entire lives) is seen as so small. I absolutely don't want to live in that country.

smash · 19-11-2012 09:55PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

And why is it always with rape cases that people are so obsessed with the word allegedly and not with other crimes?

You mean like murder, paedophelia and more... Yea it's only rape that people use it. And maybe it's because a false accusation can destroy someone's life.

You're awful angry recently!

jaffacakesyum · 19-11-2012 09:58PM

smash wrote: »

You mean like murder, paedophelia and more... Yea it's only rape that people use it. And maybe it's because a false accusation can destroy someone's life.

You're awful angry recently!

How many times do you see posters on here shout "Allegedly!!" if a story is posted about tax evasion, assault, robbery, theft? In a lot(/?most) of threads relating to murder cases it's the same.

It only seems to be paedophile, sexual assault and rape that have 90% of posters crying allegedly and for want of a better phrase "taking the side of the accused"

midlandsmissus · 19-11-2012 09:58PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Have to say I agree and I think it very much comes down to the gender of the individual.

A lot of men will instantly assume the accused is innocent and will defend their honour until proven guilty. When found guilty, some men will still deny it/question it/not want to believe it's true.

A lot of women will instantly assume the accused is guilty and want harsh or sadistic punishments.

Realistically, neither is right. It's not right to always defend accused rapists and sexual offenders as soon as you hear these cases. There's an attitude of desperately hoping the man isn't found guilty. There are cases of wrongly accused but they're in the minority. This is what a lot of people don't realise...they assume there's a witch hunt and everyones out to label people rapists. There are cases of false accusations and they make me sick and I think in those cases the "victim" should be punished.

I don't have any facts of this case so I cannot say this man is guilty and a horrible person and he should rot in hell etc.

However, if true, and I suspect it is, I hope he gets a proper sentencing. I suspect if found guilty he will get a suspended sentence.

That's a great post with a good objective look at both genders. It's true, we do immediately empathise with our fellow gender in the story, I guess it's to try and look above that and look at the two as human beings, and as some-one said on the billion rising thread, rape done at all to anyone, - your fellow human being, is so sad to see. We are all human beings.

talla10 · 19-11-2012 09:58PM

flutterflye wrote: »

I understand why the mods say it - fear of legal repercussions.
But I really don't understand everyone else.
In this case, I would give the girl the benefit of the doubt over the guard.

Without hearing a shred of evidence and just on reading one single newpaper report?????

Lets hope you are never allowed near a jury. The investigation is ongoing.

talla10 · 19-11-2012 10:01PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

If this man is found guilty and given a fine, I will absolutely get out in protest. I don't want to live in a country where rape and sexual assault (something that destroys people's entire lives) is seen as so small. I absolutely don't want to live in that country.

You already live there i'm afraid. So many offenders have been found guilty of sexual assaults that get small sentences or worse fines.

midlandsmissus · 19-11-2012 10:01PM

talla10 wrote: »

Without hearing a shred of evidence and just on reading one single newpaper report?????

Lets hope you are never allowed near a jury. The investigation is ongoing.

I think she's basing this on the fact that the majority of people, past and present, don't just come out with this story out of nowhere.

True he's not guilty until proven so, we all know that.

Rasheed · 19-11-2012 10:01PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Because generally why would people make it up? Why on earth? And why is it always with rape cases that people are so obsessed with the word allegedly and not with other crimes? People generally dont make up detailed stories of crimes about them up. Why would you do it?

I sometimes think people automatically would rather believe it didn't happen because it is too horrible that comprehend that it did.

Just think if that man was your brother/ husband/ friend. This isn't a run of the mill 'he stole my money' or 'he was done for drink driving'. Mud sticks and to be even accused of this, he will always be known as 'that' man.

We don't know the details of this case, god knows what happened, you or I certainly don't.

If it come out true, fair enough, he deserves everything he gets. But we have to wait and see.

talla10 · 19-11-2012 10:03PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I think she's basing this on the fact that the majority of people don't just come out with this story out of nowhere.

Why would you. What has she got to gain.

I havent a clue but so many people do allege false sexual assaults. I've never understood why but it still happens. Not that all or even most of such allegations are false i just think its important to be aware that false allegations have been made on numerous occasions.

midlandsmissus · 19-11-2012 10:07PM

Rasheed wrote: »

Just think if that man was your brother/ husband/ friend. This isn't a run of the mill 'he stole my money' or 'he was done for drink driving'. Mud sticks and to be even accused of this, he will always be known as 'that' man.

We don't know the details of this case, god knows what happened, you or I certainly don't.

If it come out true, fair enough, he deserves everything he gets. But we have to wait and see.

I hear you 'mud sticks' argument, and I see all the incidences where the girl was blamed, her life ruined, suffering from the assault and blamed for it/accused of lieing, the man showed no remorse (sex offenders generally don't think they did anything wrong) and was able to go on fine with his life.

Remember on AH here not long ago the stories of 'he was a good respectable man he wouldnt have done it, she came from a bad family'

As I said, the whole thing is terribly terribly sad and breaks my heart

and I dont see how to fix it. I do see that the fines for sentencing is a terrible, terible stance to take in this issue though.

MagicSean · 19-11-2012 10:07PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Because generally why would people make it up? Why on earth? And why is it always with rape cases that people are so obsessed with the word allegedly and not with other crimes?

The effect of a false accusation of sexual assault, especially against a vulnerable person is pretty much life ending.

poeticseraphim wrote: »

Perhaps it would have been best not to release the fact that this happened in Meath??

We all want a fair trial.

Says the West of Ireland.

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I think she's basing this on the fact that the majority of people, past and present, don't just come out with this story out of nowhere.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/ireland-has-highest-rate-of-false-rape-allegations-1723441.html

"Ireland has one of the highest rates of false rape allegations in Europe, according to research carried out by Trinity College Dublin and London Metropolitan University.

The study estimates that 9% of rape allegations made in Ireland are false.

It also finds a strong link between false allegations and alcohol consumption and says alcohol was also a prominent feature in legitimate rape cases."

Fr_Dougal · 19-11-2012 10:09PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What really annoys me about these cases is the whole 'ALLEGEDLY', Its not proved, she just said it, it's not proven.

Of course it's not proven till it goes through courts, we all know that, but why the huge wave to shout over everything 'ALLEGEDLY!!!!!!!!!!'

If some-one came forward and said a person pick pocketed on them street, would everyone shout 'well thats what they said, it's ALLEGEDLY!!!!'.

Because generally why would people make it up? Why on earth? And why is it always with rape cases that people are so obsessed with the word allegedly and not with other crimes? People generally dont make up detailed stories of crimes about them up. Why would you do it?

I sometimes think people automatically would rather believe it didn't happen because it is too horrible that comprehend that it did.

Because cases like this happen from time to time...and this...and this...and this...

Hope that clears it up for you.

midlandsmissus · 19-11-2012 10:12PM

MagicSean wrote: »

The effect of a false accusation of sexual assault, especially against a vulnerable person is pretty much life ending.

Not as life ending as actually being raped, and a huge number of people instantly assuming you may be lying. Imagine the hell that must be? A double whammy, if you will.

Just put yourself in that person's shoes for the minute, you've been raped, a hugely traumatic thing, and you have people thinking you're crazy and lying about it.

Please put yourself in that person's shoes for a minute. And I will try to put myself in the falsely accused man's shoes.

As an above poster said, we automatically attach ourselves to our own gender in the news report. It's important to try to see it from the other side.

midlandsmissus · 19-11-2012 10:15PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Because cases like this happen from time to time...and this...and this...and this...

Hope that clears it up for you.

I could list all the thousands of cases of rapes for you, do you want me to?

We'll just accept that they both happen.

Adam · 19-11-2012 10:17PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

MagicSean wrote: »

The effect of a false accusation of sexual assault, especially against a vulnerable person is pretty much life ending.

Not as life ending as actually being raped, and a huge number of people instantly assuming you may be lying. Imagine the hell that must be? A double whammy, if you will.

Just put yourself in that person's shoes for the minute, you've been raped, a hugely traumatic thing, and you have people thinking you're crazy and lying about it.

Please put yourself in that person's shoes for a minute. And I will try to put myself in the falsely accused man's shoes.

As an above poster said, we automatically attach ourselves to our own gender in the news report. It's important to try to see it from the other side.

Who said she's crazy and lying about it? Everyone is simply waiting for the facts.

smash · 19-11-2012 10:18PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I could list all the thousands of cases of rapes for you, do you want me to?

We'll just accept that they both happen.

Can we close the thread now?

MagicSean · 19-11-2012 10:18PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Not as life ending as actually being raped, and a huge number of people instantly assuming you may be lying. Imagine the hell that must be? A double whammy, if you will.

Just put yourself in that person's shoes for the minute, you've been raped, a hugely traumatic thing, and you have people thinking you're crazy and lying about it.

Please put yourself in that person's shoes for a minute. And I will try to put myself in the falsely accused man's shoes.

As an above poster said, we automatically attach ourselves to our own gender in the news report. It's important to try to see it from the other side.

With a one in ten chance of an allegation being false i think it's safer to reserve judgement until you know the facts.

Fr_Dougal · 19-11-2012 10:18PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I could list all the thousands of cases of rapes for you, do you want me to?

We'll just accept that they both happen.

How about you just accept that everyone deserves a fair trial and that people are innocent until proven guilty.

midlandsmissus · 19-11-2012 10:22PM

Adam wrote: »

Who said she's crazy and lying about it? Everyone is simply waiting for the facts.

That's what generally happens to rape victims.

The exercise was to put yourself in their shoes for 5 minutes.

Garda accused of rape in station.

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