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Derivative of y=f(y)

  • 16-11-2012 07:24PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 31


    How do you differentiate [latex]y=f(y)[/latex] ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    I'm not sure your question makes sense. We differentiate functions, but the expression y=f(y) doesn't define a function.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 Jumblon


    Well, it should actually be y=f(x,y).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭areyawell


    Is there not another equation to go with it? Doesn't make sense


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    Jumblon wrote: »
    Well, it should actually be y=f(x,y).

    In this case you have to perform partial differentiation on the function f. If we write y = y(x) we get y(x) = f(x,y(x)). Then, differentiating both sides does something like

    [LATEX]\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx}y(x) =\frac{d}{dx} f(x,y(x)) [/LATEX]
    [LATEX]\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dx} =\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} +
    \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\frac{dy}{dx}[/LATEX]

    so that

    [LATEX]\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dx} =\frac{1}{1-\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}}\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} [/LATEX]

    So, for instance, if y=sin(xy)x^2=f(x,y) then

    [LATEX]\displaystyle \frac{\partial f}{\partial x} = \sin(xy) 2x + y \cos(xy) x^2; \;\; \frac{\partial f}{\partial y} = x \cos(xy) x^2 = \cos(xy) x^3[/LATEX]

    and so

    [LATEX]\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dx} =\frac{1}{1-\cos(xy) x^3} (\sin(xy) 2x + y \cos(xy) x^2 )[/LATEX]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 Jumblon


    Lovely jubbly :D. That's what i wanted. Now i can directly differentiate the function in this thread:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056784864


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 Jumblon


    This is what you used, yeah?

    [latex]df=\nabla f . dr[/latex]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 Jumblon


    I thought of a slighty different way of doing it.

    Define [latex]F(x,y) = y-f(x,y)=0[/latex]

    Then

    [latex]dF=\delta_xFdx +\delta_yFdy = -\delta_xfdx+(1-\delta_yf)dy =0[/latex]

    Giving

    [latex]y'=\delta_xf/(1-\delta_yf)[/latex]

    BO SELECTA


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