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ABORTION POLL....I know..lets prove we can keep it civilized to the mods

  • 14-11-2012 08:02PM
    #1
    poeticseraphim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭


    Ok

    I want a picture of what peoples opinions are on legalizing abortion in the early trimester at the bequest of the woman.

    This covers fetal abnormalities, rape , incest , where the 'woman' is under 15, where it is dangerous to her life , where it is dangerous to her health (distinct from her life) , where it is dangerous to her mental health.

    It also covers her own choice.....up to 12 weeks...that is at her bequest she could have an abortion on demand up to twelve weeks .

    This by the way would not even have covered Savita at 17 weeks.

    After week 12 it would be taken on a case by case basis .

    Under the below circumstances would you support abortion 1225 votes

    Yes I would support the legalization of abortion to week twelve in these instances
    0% 0 votes
    No under no circumstances would i support abortion
    100% 1225 votes


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Comments

  • #2
    Max Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Max Power


    IBTL


  • #3
    im invisible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭im invisible


    tbh


  • #4
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    Under a 1992 Supreme Court ruling women in Ireland are legally entitled to an abortion when it is necessary to save the life of the mother.


    Saying this first, before the hot headed debate.


  • #5
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Personally I am....uncomfortable... with abortion as a means of contraception. But that is not the topic here i think.
    Of course early stage abortion should be allowable if there is risk to the mothers health and/or life.


  • #6
    akura
    Closed Accounts Posts: 497 ✭✭akura


    ABORT THREAD


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  • #7
    poeticseraphim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭poeticseraphim


    N64 wrote: »
    why did you not add a poll then? :confused:

    I just did ..you have to wait....it is a system thing.:)


  • #8
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    akura wrote: »
    ABORT THREAD
    Or dont read it if it does not interest you:rolleyes:


  • #9
    poeticseraphim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭poeticseraphim


    akura wrote: »
    ABORT THREAD

    LOL

    If we can keep it light we can keep the heat out of the thread:)


  • #10
    Max Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Max Power


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    Or dont read it if it does not interest you:rolleyes:
    But he has to read it to see if it interests him.


  • #11
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    Abortion is ether fine or its not. Don't limit it. Allow abortions up to 17 years of age


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  • #12
    Sparks43
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    poeticseraphim wrote: »
    LOL

    If we can keep it light we can keep the heat out of the thread:)

    On AH?

    Light??????


    Good luck with that:eek:


  • #13
    im invisible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭im invisible


    i think its fine the way it is, sweep it under the rug, send them to England


  • #14
    GalwayGuy2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    Legalize it for any case up to week twelve.


  • #15
    poeticseraphim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭poeticseraphim


    I think it is a mute point to say if the mothers health is at risk...and not give her total choice


    Pregnancy is a risk...that is a fact...it is dangerous and there is always something that does not go according to plan..


    I think early abortion is the woman's choice.


  • #16
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    Abortion is ether fine or its not. Don't limit it. Allow abortions up to 17 years of age
    No its a complictaed issue.Its only simple if you introduce Gods and religion.


  • #17
    poeticseraphim
    Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭poeticseraphim


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    Abortion is ether fine or its not. Don't limit it. Allow abortions up to 17 years of age

    Fair enough....:)

    Mums accross Ireland get a wicked twinkle......


    She who brought ye into the world can send ye out of it:D



    Don't you ever be mean to Mama again!


  • #18
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    I don't see what the argument if its rape or incest has to do with it. Its murder or its not, and if its not murder then what difference does it make how the child is conceived.

    I am pro choice, but to be honest I don't think there is any point to this because nobody is ever going to convince me that its murder and it doesn't bother me. Likewise somebody who does think its murder is never going to have their opinion changed by me.


  • #19
    BBDBB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    legalise it up until they can post without censure on boards

    before that


    its fair game


  • #20
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It should be made legal regardless, but sexual education should be made mandatory across second level and third level. Teach people about correct use of contraceptives and you won't need to worry about abortion being used as one.


  • #21
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    I don't see what the argument if its rape or incest has to do with it. Its murder or its not, and if its not murder then what difference does it make how the child is conceived.

    I am pro choice, but to be honest I don't think there is any point to this because nobody is ever going to convince me that its murder and it doesn't bother me. Likewise somebody who does think its murder is never going to have their opinion changed by me.
    I dont understand this post?:confused:


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  • #22
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    The choices in the poll are to limited, there are many reason for yes and there are many reasons for no,

    you will need to add 50 more options to the poll to give a better overall view,

    in the last 2 days I was speaking with someone who was distraught at the possibility if she did not abort she could lose her partner, but by giving her partner another scenario, it was not so black and white for him,

    more options required.


  • #23
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It should be made legal regardless, but sexual education should be made mandatory across second level and third level. Teach people about correct use of contraceptives and you won't need to worry about abortion being used as one.
    But the religious have issues with sex ed' and contraception as well. gays cant conceive and they are also frowned upon . :confused:


  • #24
    Miss Lockhart
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭Miss Lockhart


    The poll choices are leading and stupid.

    You could disagree with legalising abortion "under the below circumstances", but that doesn't mean you disagree with legalising it under any circumstances.


  • #25
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod


    3ndahalfof6 wrote: »
    .... if she did not abort she could lose her partner,

    How was her partner going to die?


  • #26
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    How about simply letting people do what their own conscious tells them. So instead of threatening 14 year olds with life imprisonment, just let everyone have reasonable choices. Seems to work in most places in the world.


  • #27
    Immaculate Pasta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭Immaculate Pasta


    That is a shite poll.

    Just saying like :cool:


  • #28
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    squod wrote: »
    How was her partner going to die?

    you would get the phone call, then it would be your choice.


  • #29
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    No its a complictaed issue.Its only simple if you introduce Gods and religion.

    Are you implying that it's a simple issue if you bring Gods and religion in because Gods and religion all suggest that it is 100% completely wrong?

    Gods and religion say a lot of things are wrong, and a lot of things are wrong with Gods and religion.
    This is a moral problem more than a religious problem. The bible doesn't say thou shall not abort. But it does say that you shouldn't kill, and unfortunately the moralist has to decide whether it is killing or not, and at what time the fetus is a baby etc etc.

    There simply can't be a time, say exactly 12 weeks in where the fetus becomes a baby. What happens if it's 11:55 pm, 5 minutes before this magical 12 week date, is the fetus then not a baby and only then after those 5 minutes does it fully become a growing baby? It's an incredibly hard thing to decipher.

    If it's okay then it should be okay, right up until the point that the mother is not supporting the child's life directly, right? Because up until then it's a part of the woman's body... right? Probably not right again.

    Is it "immoral" to be on the pill? It's effectively killing a could-be child.

    What about males masturbating? Ejaculation is serial killing!

    You can't take morality out of it, because then you could just kill everyone, at whatever time.

    You can't put morality into the equation, because then it's never okay.

    There needs to be a medium of the two. I think this medium is that the woman has the choice. No numbers, no weird clauses, no fuss, just the woman has the choice. It's her body, be it at risk or not, it's a huge emotional and physical thing, and it should be her choice.


  • #30
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Ghost Buster wrote: »
    I dont understand this post?:confused:
    ok


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  • #31
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    As a previous poster said, your vague choices for voting make it look like it's a simple yes or no topic - it isn't.
    I want it to be FULLY available to the mother if her life was at risk in anyway, BY CONSTITUTION. Not the confusion we have right now which recently claimed the life of an innocent mother. It shouldn't be fully legalised and eventually used as contraception

    Which way do I vote?


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