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Pregnant woman dies in UCHG after being refused a termination

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  • #812
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,406 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    ThinkAboutIt wrote: »
    I see this has made the international news in most countries now. Another day to be embarrassed to be Irish.

    RIP.


    RIP to the woman but personally I'd never be embarrassed to be Irish.


  • #813
    billybudd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    Tragedy wrote: »
    Why aren't people waiting for the autopsy report before they become 'outraged' that she died due to being refused an abortion? No-one currently knows what exactly killed her, how/when/why the septicemia set in, and if a termination when she first requested it would have made any difference. It's likely it would, but no-one knows.

    As for legislating the X case, from what I'm told this would result in legislation that abortion is legal when there is a serious risk to the mother's life. Was that apparent here? Would legislation have made any difference whatsoever, or would the Doctor have decided that there was a risk to health (no abortion) but not a risk to life (abortion)?

    Also, how much of this is down to the Doctor's actions and individual beliefs(the comment on Ireland being a Catholic country strikes me as being really ****ing odd)?

    I'm 100% pro choice - but I find the instant outrage and agenda setting despite the lack of any clear facts...disquieting and a little bit insulting to her memory. She just died, people using her as an excuse to protest because of their own views...well, yeah.


    Because regardless of what happened to this lady it is a debate that is long over due.


  • #814
    Grimebox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,997 ✭✭✭Grimebox


    I'm really on the fence with this issue. While I do support the murder of babies, I do not want women to have any choice in the matter


    mod: banned..


  • #815
    HellFireClub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    Angie_Baby wrote: »
    couldn't agree more.
    why we are still having this debate is beyond me. i thought we voted on this abortion thing a few times now.
    and it (abortion on demand) was robustly rejected each time.

    this should have been dealt with as a medical procedure/emergency, if/when the woman's life was in jeopardy.
    if the doctor felt her life was not at risk, then he fuucked up and made a bad call. he should have to answer for that.

    You'd have to also wonder, in a country where there is ANOTHER 3.5 billion Euro adjustment coming down the tracks, and in a country where the HSE have already made huge cut backs to front line services, in a country where disabled children are having their nappy allowance taken off them, you would have to ask yourself did the woman have access to the best medical facilities & surgical test facilities, that were necessary in order to protect her life when she found herself in such a medically vulnerable situation.


  • #816
    billybudd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    :eek:
    Grimebox wrote: »
    I'm really on the fence with this issue. While I do support the murder of babies, I do not want women to have any choice in the matter


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  • #817
    HellFireClub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    ibarelycare wrote: »
    I said nothing of the sort. I said that the people of this country were turning their back on the Catholic Church in their droves and that people are much more liberal. Both these factors means that there would be much more support for the pro-choice movement than there was 20 years ago.

    I never said anything about any laws existing.



    Anyway I'm on my way to the protest now. Hope there'll be a good turnout.

    What exactly are you protesting about I have to ask?!?


  • #818
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pride Fighter wrote: »
    Well done to the scum in Youth Defence, they have blood on their hands.

    I presume youth defence would say the same about people who support abortion.


  • #819
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    Tragedy wrote: »
    I'm 100% pro choice - but I find the instant outrage and agenda setting despite the lack of any clear facts...disquieting and a little bit insulting to her memory. She just died, people using her as an excuse to protest because of their own views...well, yeah.

    This exactly IMO.

    The manner in which it is retold in the international press shows the willingness to push an agenda rather than anything else. That strikes me as incredibly unsavoury.


  • #820
    ZeRoY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭ZeRoY


    robman60 wrote: »
    Health is removed as it creates a legal mind field and effectively means abortion on demand

    Perfect. Yes.


  • #821
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    mod:

    Angie baby banned / re-reg.


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  • #822
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    Well in fairness, this debate is a wider debate than this thread and I'm personally SICK of left wing slags in this country like the kind in the ULA, trying to ride roughshod over people who have stated a democratic opinion on this subject several times.

    That's funny because I'm 34 and apart from the piffling Twenty-fifth Amendment referendum in 2002 I've never had the chance to vote for or against abortion. Also, societies change and laws can change to reflect this. Look at the legalisation of homosexuality and divorce. What is wrong with giving the current generation the right to decide?
    HellFireClub wrote: »
    I have to say, our current government must be absolutely loving this. We've spent the last 2 months having a completely unnecessary discussion and poorly timed discussion on a children's referendum... The polls were not 12 hours closed last Sunday when Eamon Gilmore started telling us that now we needed to talk about a referendum on gay marriage! And now this abortion topic is back centre stage again.

    And why is it back on centre stage? Because it was left unresolved for 20 years by successive socially inept governments and people are tired of it. And a referendum on gay marriage! Imagine that! Allowing same sex couples to have the same rights that others have! Crazy! And yet if we have to have a referendum to sort out this issue then we should have a referendum. What is your problem with that? If you don't believe homosexual people should be treated fairly and equitably in a just society then you vote no.
    HellFireClub wrote: »
    Very convenient isn't it, the way we always seem to have something to occupy ourselves with in this country by way of the national conversation, besides the small little pressing matter of half a million people out of work, of tens of thousands emigrating out of the hopelessness that has now consumed this country at the moment, the hundreds of people and families every month falling further into food poverty.

    Are we not allowed to be thinking about effecting changes to society because there's a recession going on? Obviously what is happening in terms of employment and the economy but that should not stop a government being able to create a platform for ALL the issues that affect our society.


  • #823
    ZeRoY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭ZeRoY


    Angie_Baby wrote: »
    we dont want abortion on demand.
    and we dont want this,

    Ah? Who's "we"?


  • #824
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I presume youth defence would say the same about people who support abortion.

    I think it's a silly post in the first place. They have nothing to do with this sad incident.


  • #825
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What an embarrassing country. Not just because of this tragedy, but that the fact that randomers need to come in and re-affirm their position in which THEIR opinion counts in the choice of what some random woman from India should do with her baby.

    It's pathetic.


  • #826
    strandroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    robman60 wrote: »
    While I recognise that what you've said is factually correct, I think you'll agree that the risk of suicide case has been presented in a biased way. Studies have shown that a woman is far more likely to commit suicide after an abortion than after giving birth. These cases don't and won't get publicised in the media for obvious reasons, but it's definitely happening.

    And the circumstances (women who terminate are more likely to have no partner or family support, be ill or deprived than women who give birth - which affects their life expectancy) have nothing to do with these results.


  • #827
    ibarelycare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭ibarelycare


    HellFireClub wrote: »

    What exactly are you protesting about I have to ask?!?

    About the government not bringing into legislation what the people of ireland voted in favour of...allowing for termination of a fetus when the mother's life is at risk. It's been referred to numerous times on this thread


  • #828
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Dodge wrote: »
    Just realised the girl in the X case is about the same age as me. I Hope she's doing well today

    If she actually exists, of course. (c) Fuinseog 2012.


  • #829
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Khannie wrote: »
    I think it's a silly post in the first place. They have nothing to do with this sad incident.

    Populist rabble, real sheep mentality with the liking of the post.


  • #830
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    Well in fairness, this debate is a wider debate than this thread and I'm personally SICK of left wing slags in this country like the kind in the ULA, trying to ride roughshod over people who have stated a democratic opinion on this subject several times.

    I have to say, our current government must be absolutely loving this. We've spent the last 2 months having a completely unnecessary discussion and poorly timed discussion on a children's referendum... The polls were not 12 hours closed last Sunday when Eamon Gilmore started telling us that now we needed to talk about a referendum on gay marriage! And now this abortion topic is back centre stage again.

    Very convenient isn't it, the way we always seem to have something to occupy ourselves with in this country by way of the national conversation, besides the small little pressing matter of half a million people out of work, of tens of thousands emigrating out of the hopelessness that has now consumed this country at the moment, the hundreds of people and families every month falling further into food poverty.


    Well, we are bitter, aren't we?

    What exactly is left-wing about allowing people to express their opinion in the form of a referendum? Previous referenda on abortion all differed in some form or another. As for gay marriage, it mightn't be important to you, but it is important to a lot of gay citizens in this country. A recession doesn't detract from our responsibilities and obligation as citizens. In any case, the ULA or any other group are entitled to campaign on any issue they see fit, even if a majority disagree with them on it.

    I find it deeply ironic that you seem to place all the problems of our country at the doors of the Labour Party, the ULA (who are as different as chalk and cheese), and people on the left in general. I'd consider myself to be fairly centre-left but I'm against abortion on demand.


  • #831
    Tragedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    billybudd wrote: »
    Because regardless of what happened to this lady it is a debate that is long over due.
    So the ends justify the means?

    The abortion debate is truly long overdue, abusing a dead woman's memory to push for it isn't the right way to do it.


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  • #832
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,099 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Of course the woman should be given an abortion to save her life. Abortion as a lifestyle choice is murder and the ban on abortion should continue except in cases like this where the mothers life is at risk.

    Pro-Abortionists trying to score a cheap political point off the sad death of this misfortunate woman should be ashamed of themselves. The liberals will try everything to force the abortion issue over this.


  • #833
    HellFireClub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Are we not allowed to be thinking about effecting changes to society because there's a recession going on? Obviously what is happening in terms of employment and the economy but that should not stop a government being able to create a platform for ALL the issues that affect our society.

    I personally think it is completely unacceptable that we let our politicians feed us, in terms of where we are going, in this manner. It couldn't be clearer that there is a policy in place now of going in a very serial manner, from one referendum to another, almost trying to look busy and pass the time, meanwhile the country falls a bit further into the economic shíts with every passing week? We seriously need to start getting our priorities right in this country or it will be last one leaving the place turn the light off.


  • #834
    ZeRoY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭ZeRoY


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    What an embarrassing country. Not just because of this tragedy, but that the fact that randomers need to come in and re-affirm their position in which THEIR opinion counts in the choice of what some random woman from India should do with her baby.

    It's pathetic.

    Sadly thats how it works, We, the people, decide for others. In the matter of Abortion it should be up to the person, but thats the my personal opinion - until the question is put to the people it will remain a mess.


  • #835
    billybudd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    Tragedy wrote: »
    So the ends justify the means?

    The abortion debate is truly long overdue, abusing a dead woman's memory to push for it isn't the right way to do it.


    I agree, but the catalyst for change is often because of a terrible event, sadly.


  • #836
    ZeRoY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭ZeRoY


    Tragedy wrote: »
    The abortion debate is truly long overdue, abusing a dead woman's memory to push for it isn't the right way to do it.

    Its precisely the right moment to push the issue on the forefront. Its when tragic things like this happens that people are the most receptive to the problem at hand.


  • #837
    HellFireClub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    Well, we are bitter, aren't we?

    What exactly is left-wing about allowing people to express their opinion in the form of a referendum? Previous referenda on abortion all differed in some form or another. As for gay marriage, it mightn't be important to you, but it is important to a lot of gay citizens in this country. A recession doesn't detract from our responsibilities and obligation as citizens. In any case, the ULA or any other group are entitled to campaign on any issue they see fit, even if a majority disagree with them on it.

    I find it deeply ironic that you seem to place all the problems of our country at the doors of the Labour Party, the ULA (who are as different as chalk and cheese), and people on the left in general. I'd consider myself to be fairly centre-left but I'm against abortion on demand.

    No I'm not bitter at all, I'm just sick of the sheer sight of incompetence in this country and people like the ULA out there tonight organising a protest at the Dail in relation to the tragic death of this poor woman. A protest about what? The lack of care she received, or did she receive the very best of care? We don't know, so therefore the protest is just shít stírring. Same can be said for medical negligence, was it present or not? We don't know, but sure let's hold a protest over it anyway!


  • #838
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Stinicker wrote: »
    Of course the woman should be given an abortion to save her life. Abortion as a lifestyle choice is murder and the ban on abortion should continue except in cases like this where the mothers life is at risk.

    Pro-Abortionists trying to score a cheap political point off the sad death of this misfortunate woman should be ashamed of themselves. The liberals will try everything to force the abortion issue over this.

    You should be ashamed of yourself for scoring cheap political points about "liberals" and the bobbins mantra about lifestyle choice.

    As I said earlier, this is a turning point. Let's hope out of this tragedy comes something positive.


  • #839
    Tragedy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    ZeRoY wrote: »
    Its precisely the right moment to push the issue on the forefront. Its when tragic things like this happens that people are the most receptive to the problem at hand.
    Except no-one has any idea if the X case/abortion would have had any impact in this individual case, yet people (including yourself it seems) are jumping on a bandwagon incredibly fast using this case as an example of why their agenda needs to be listened to.

    There is a right way to do things, and a wrong way.

    This, imo, is a slimy, immoral and abhorrent way to push the abortion debate into the public sphere on the back of a death that no-one even understands yet. If people actually cared about this woman's death, they wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions and make assumptions.


  • #840
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    We don't know, but sure let's hold a protest over it anyway!

    Sure why would you let the facts get in the way of a good rabble rabble rabble?


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  • #841
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    All credit to him, one of my local TDs has replied to me quite promptly. He indicated that as the government has to report back to the Council of Europe by the end of November, he expects that the government will act promptly to legislate after that. Dare I say it, I kind of believe him?

    In other analysis, he has actually done his best to answer my rather direct question about when a bill is to be put before the dail to legislate for the x case. He also stated that he believes it should be extended beyond the x case to cases where the foetus has fatal abnormalities.

    It's good to see who replies and what their stances are. 1 out of 3 on the day of the email. Well done him.


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