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'Day of Action and Solidarity' across EU against austerity (except Ireland)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Cool_CM



    its time to wake up and smell the sh*t.

    I agree, Ireland as a country including bankers, politicians and people who were happy to go along with everything that was going on at the time fūcked up.

    Now we all have to pay for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    mike65 wrote: »
    In what way will a march expedite a solution to the current fiscal hole Ireland sits in?

    It'd probably do nothing at all just as the protests here have been largely ineffective but something happened here during the week - large amounts of people have been protesting outside the properties of people who've been evicted from their home by banks. Last week the banks announced that they would delay evictions in extreme cases. This is a HUGE victory for the protestors.

    Sometimes civil marches can bring about change and it has done in the past. It's worth a shot anyway.


    And I suppose demonstrations like this raise awareness among the general population that all is not well. It was the catalyst for my interest in Spanish politics and encouraged me to question those who are leading us here. I've become more politically aware as a result. People want to vent their anger (circumstances are very bad here) and feel less impotent hence why they march here. I understand that feeling.

    Just to say, I only protest because I live here and it's happening. I'd probably do nothing in Ireland, unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Cool_CM wrote: »
    I agree, Ireland as a country including bankers, politicians and people who were happy to go along with everything that was going on at the time fūcked up.

    Now we all have to pay for it.

    The people who are in college and just graduating today had no vote back then, so this self imposed and misplaced guilt does not apply to them.
    It is NOT your fault that your representatives lied to you. It is NOT your fault that the entire political and monetary system is tailored to suit a small elite minority with no regard for its effects on everyone else. It is NOT your fault that the banks were bailed out, you didn't have a vote on that.

    Of course those in power want to sell us the idea that this is our crisis. It makes it so much easier for them to guilt us into "taking our medicine".

    What saddens me is that so many people have bought it. Are we as a nation really that gullible?

    Do you know where currency comes from as a matter of interest? The Euros you have in your pocket, where did they originate and how did they get into circulation?
    The entire monetary system is a ponzi scheme and needs to go, ASAP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    What have anti austerity protests (and occupy protests) ever achieved anyway?
    Sweet fcuk all.


    Street protests in Greece resulted in a lowering of the interest rate on their bailout and in turn ours.

    Thank you angry Greeks.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 555 ✭✭✭Hippies!


    I'm protesting, where you all at?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    I stopped reading after "Trade union members"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Street protests in Greece resulted in a lowering of the interest rate on their bailout and in turn ours.

    Thank you angry Greeks.

    So we should overturn cars and burn out O'Connell Street then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭tiny timy


    Ah sure us irish are the best in europe for complaining and doing fcuk all about it, sure we love getting fcuked up the ar$e


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 555 ✭✭✭Hippies!


    So we should overturn cars and burn out O'Connell Street then?

    Sounds good to me :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Hippies! wrote: »
    Sounds good to me :pac:
    Damn crusties...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Damn those trade unions protecting workers! Seriously, that's what they are, whether there are corrupt members or not. The anti trade union bandwagon is seriously knee-jerk.
    could have fooled me (and others) with your previous post
    How? Pointing out the hypocrisy of Irish people not out protesting now, criticising and rolling eyes at other Irish people not out protesting now, does not mean I wouldn't take part in organised marches.


  • Administrators Posts: 56,576 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Trade unions... wasters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    So we should overturn cars and burn out O'Connell Street then?

    ANGER IS AN ENERGY

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Madam_X wrote: »
    Damn those trade unions protecting workers! Seriously, that's what they are, whether there are corrupt members or not. The anti trade union bandwagon is seriously knee-jerk.

    Trade unions are outdated and no longer required in this day and age. They are corrupt to the core and need to be taken out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    I'm revolting, who's with me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 ✭✭AEDIC


    maddragon wrote: »
    People forget it took us 800 years to get rid of them. An uprising every 60 years or so was hardly constant activism 1590s, 1640s, 1690s, 1798, 1840s, 1916-1922. We are just about due another one now however.

    Another uprising? About what?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    I'm revolting, who's with me?

    You don't smell that bad ahuhuhuh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    AEDIC wrote: »
    Another uprising? About what?
    And who will start it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Cool_CM


    The people who are in college and just graduating today had no vote back then, so this self imposed and misplaced guilt does not apply to them.
    It is NOT your fault that your representatives lied to you. It is NOT your fault that the entire political and monetary system is tailored to suit a small elite minority with no regard for its effects on everyone else. It is NOT your fault that the banks were bailed out, you didn't have a vote on that.

    Of course those in power want to sell us the idea that this is our crisis. It makes it so much easier for them to guilt us into "taking our medicine".

    What saddens me is that so many people have bought it. Are we as a nation really that gullible?

    Do you know where currency comes from as a matter of interest? The Euros you have in your pocket, where did they originate and how did they get into circulation?
    The entire monetary system is a ponzi scheme and needs to go, ASAP.

    I am aware of where currency comes. I'm also aware that one of the notes I have in my wallet at the moment was printed in Ireland and the other in Germany.

    You'll probably notice that I said "at the time". This doesn't apply to young people in University about to graduate or who have recently graduated. I graduated in 2009 and made the decision to leave the country to work abroad. Now I'm back in Ireland working and in University again. I wasn't able to vote when the politicians who were elected and re-elected by the majority of the Irish people made decisions that had major implications for future generations.

    We can't control what the generation before us did, but we still have to answer for them and deal with the consequences.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    The trade unions eg Jack O Connor are still receiving nice, healthy pay packs. Why in the holy name of god is he going to organise protests like that with work stoppages, and disruption and marches? If the government listens his pay is going to be hit.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭Maggie 2


    I will not take to the streets to protest against austerity without knowing what the alternative is. We cannot spend our way out of trouble with borrowings. We need to learn to live within our own budgets and hope that the measures being taken will do the same for the country. Having lived through the 80's, I do believe that we will get through this as well. The big difference between then and now, is back then, we knew nothing of the riches of the Celtic Tiger and now we're spoiled. Ireland is still a great place to live.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Cool_CM wrote: »
    I am aware of where currency comes. I'm also aware that one of the notes I have in my wallet at the moment was printed in Ireland and the other in Germany.

    So you're aware that every cent of currency you have was originally issued as a loan by a for profit financial institution? With interest which won't exist until its created in another loan, with interest?
    We can't control what the generation before us did, but we still have to answer for them and deal with the consequences.

    Why? Alternatively we can switch to a we monetary system which won't hav these loopholes and problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    Maggie 2 wrote: »
    I will not take to the streets to protest against austerity without knowing what the alternative is. We cannot spend our way out of trouble with borrowings. We need to learn to live within our own budgets and hope that the measures being taken will do the same for the country. Having lived through the 80's, I do believe that we will get through this as well. The big difference between then and now, is back then, we knew nothing of the riches of the Celtic Tiger and now we're spoiled. Ireland is still a great place to live.

    "the riches of the celtic tiger". I don't understand this statement. Can you elaborate? You do know there was NO celtic tiger don't you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭Maggie 2


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    I'm revolting, who's with me?
    Do you really want an answer to that?:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    "the riches of the celtic tiger". I don't understand this statement. Can you elaborate? You do know there was NO celtic tiger don't you?
    Ah you know what she means! The spending, the lavish lifestyles of many, the thinking nothing of borrowing - whether the money was there or not, this was still happening. Many people have become spoilt, yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Cool_CM


    So you're aware that every cent of currency you have was originally issued as a loan by a for profit financial institution? With interest which won't exist until its created in another loan, with interest?

    And who made the decision to sign up for this? I didn't, you didn't but somebody did.

    Why? Alternatively we can switch to a we monetary system which won't hav these loopholes and problems.

    What's the alternative that you propose so? How would you implement it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 866 ✭✭✭renofan


    Define "get there"? We'll still be stuck with a dysfunctional financial and currency system if we don't force them to change it somehow, and the boom and bust cycle will inevitably repeat itself further down the line.

    It's like getting a car serviced and the guy in the garage tells you "I can fix it, but I 100% guarantee it'll break down again in a month or two, you're better off getting a different mode of transport tbh"

    I mean the recession will end eventually and jobs will come back but a multinational will want to invest in a stable workforce, not one that will go on strike. I'm not in favour of Germany/France calling the shots financially but some stability needs to be brought in before radical changes should be made. Though you are right in that in that it is dysfunctional.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    As more and more people start getting evicted from homes due to foreclosure (so far there have been lots of foreclosures, but evictions have been held back), and the effects of unemployment (and in some cases homelessness as a result) on people come to public attention more, there is going to (finally) be more action against austerity; it's only going to get worse (and far worse) at this rate, as we're still only at the first half of the crisis really, so it's a matter of time primarily.

    As said in another thread, so far the entire narrative has been captured by the There Is No Alternative argument, that austerity is the only option, when it really is not; we gave up sovereign control over our currency to the EU, and the policymakers in the EU are now using that to indirectly control our national policies (through enforced budget limitations), forcing us into austerity, mass unemployment and decimation of our public services.
    This is a problem at the EU level, and there is no need at all for us to be undergoing austerity, or to have such wide-scale unemployment; there needs to be new stimulus, but this time not going into the banks, but to people and business, to spur demand and reinflate the economy.

    There's no principal reason why a job guarantee program, funded by money creation, can not be done, while also carefully managing its potential effects on inflation; this can get us out of the current recession, whereas austerity is going to keep ploughing our economy into the ground, forcing critical services to be sold off to private interests, for their benefit/profit by charging rent on services, above and beyond with they would cost publicly.

    That alternative/solution is there, loads of prominent and well-respected economists are screaming for an end to austerity, but it is being forced on us by those in control in the EU (who we have no real democratic control over).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    smash wrote: »
    Trade unions are outdated and no longer required in this day and age. They are corrupt to the core and need to be taken out.

    Trade unions are outdated and no longer required because there were trade unions, take them away and we'd be needing them again.

    As for corruption, i'm sure there is, like bankers and politicians ect, unfortunately it happens in all walks of life.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,831 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    I think it's fair to criticise our lack of action and discuss the reasons why we don't though. Perhaps it could be a catalyst for change.

    I can tell you the reasons. Could not be arsed as nothing will come out of it is one but the biggest is due to organise them. If its SF people don't want to be associated with them, if its the socialists people don't want to be associated with them or if its unions people don't want to be associated with them etc.


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