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Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    Have we been linked with him?

    Looks a good prospect alright, although a bit of a gamble replacing Nani with him.

    Not from any credible sources but I'd be surprised if Fergie allowed a young English talent go to another English club.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭aperture_nuig


    I realise this has been covered before, but apparently Lewandowski is having a contract dispute with Borrusia Dortmund at the minute and we're supposed to be in for him with a €16m bid. While I doubt the authenticity of the story, he would be an excellent buy for that much. you'd have to wonder what it'd mean for chico/wellbeck if we brought him in though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    I realise this has been covered before, but apparently Lewandowski is having a contract dispute with Borrusia Dortmund at the minute and we're supposed to be in for him with a €16m bid. While I doubt the authenticity of the story, he would be an excellent buy for that much. you'd have to wonder what it'd mean for chico/wellbeck if we brought him in though.

    Is he any good? I saw him in the Euros but I didn't really get a feel for how good he is. Who in the Prem is he like?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,783 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Could Happen alright, although see the Rodriguez rumours have been gathering in past few weeks.

    Still hope Nani stays.

    Read some gossip the other week saying that we are keeping an eye on Zaha but are more interested and more likely to tie up a deal for Tom Ince.

    Read we are VERY keen on Rodriguez but I think that interest will end in nothing as the lad recently renegotiated his contract and bumped his release fee from 24million to 36million - I reckon United were very interested at 24million, but not so much at a much higher figure. I don't think it would take the full 36million, but it is bound to need over 30million at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,547 ✭✭✭Your Airbag


    Lads, any idea when Kagawa is due back?

    With the Rooney in MF and RVP as a striker partnership giving such good results do you think it will be hard for him to get his place back? He might have to play a deeper role.

    It would be a shame because I love watching him play, he is very lively and reminds me a lot of David Silva with the off the ball positions he takes up and passes he likes to thread through.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭Jax Teller


    ^^^^^
    Kagawa is meant to be back in training this week . Same with Phil Jones .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭jambofc


    Rio Ferdinand may be willing to extend his Manchester United career, but will make a call on his future at Christmas.

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8245552/Rio-Ferdinand-will-make-a-decision-on-his-Manchester-United-future-at-Christmas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Macca07


    I realise this has been covered before, but apparently Lewandowski is having a contract dispute with Borrusia Dortmund at the minute and we're supposed to be in for him with a €16m bid. While I doubt the authenticity of the story, he would be an excellent buy for that much. you'd have to wonder what it'd mean for chico/wellbeck if we brought him in though.

    The Lewandowski story is a strange one, fair enough at the start of the summer when we were genuinely looking for a replacement for Berba, but we signed RvP and now have RvP, Rooney, Chico, Welbeck who can all play up front and is their preferred position.

    If there is any truth to the Lewandowski story, one of the 4 above would be leaving. Now with the form that Chico is in, the greatness of Rooney and RvP, and Welbeck being, young, English and a fantastic prospect, I can't possibly see us sign any striker for awhile to come.

    We were supposedly looking at Rodriguez again at the weekend, 7th time this season according to one paper. This story is gathering a lot of momentum over the last number of weeks, and if we have scouted him that much, I can see us bidding for him.

    Zaha is a difficult one to call, and his decision on whether or not to play for England or Ivory Coast would be a big decision on who he'll end up signing for. United certainly won't want to sign him if he declares for the Ivory Coast. Also, the £20 million valuation by Palace is complete trolling. £10 million is the most he is worth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,850 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Is he any good? I saw him in the Euros but I didn't really get a feel for how good he is. Who in the Prem is he like?

    He's very good. You should go out of your way to watch Dortmund, they're brilliant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,175 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Just bought football manager on my break there. Going to buy Strootman and by end of week I will let you know if United should buy him or not. ;-)

    Strootman is the business in the game. So yes we should buy him.:D

    Welbeck is also a beast, and RVP is scoring all round him too.

    Had to get rid of poor Anderson though. He wanted to leave.:(

    EVENFLOW



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    I see Joe Hart makes another mistake, and the only comment I heard from the commentator was that "he should do better". If that had be De Gea all the talk would be of "yet another mistake by the keeper".

    How the hell does Hart get a free pass on these? He makes loads of mistakes, yet nobody calls for City to go back to the transfer market for a keeper.

    It is no new developement that English media sometimes put a player on such a high pedastal that they cant take them down.

    Gerrard is a prime example, of how he has been put up on high, by English pundits and journos, Lampard aswell. Gerrard has been dirt this season and has overstayed his place too long now.

    Hart is next in line. Wilshire is probably going to be another that won't reach the heights expected of him. His red card was down to being "tired" according to the English press and pundits, not that he was pissed off that United were strolling and he lashed out : /

    Hart has the Shay Given complex as I call it.A good shot stopper with some decent reactions but is piss poor in all other departments. Which equates to just above average keeper.

    De Geas reflexes, shot stopping and distribution have him easily at No.1 spot on the league, and when Lloris starts playing he will quickly topple Hart aswell.

    Its one of those lol comments that you get every so often with the English media and pundits who pile praise on a player not deserving.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    Strootman is the business in the game. So yes we should buy him.:D

    Welbeck is also a beast, and RVP is scoring all round him too.

    Had to get rid of poor Anderson though. He wanted to leave.:(

    Shouldn't a separate thread be created for comment on football gaming? No offence but does anyone really care how good a footballer is in FIFA?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005



    Welbeck is also a beast

    well at least we know the game is not realistic :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    TheDoc wrote: »

    It is no new developement that English media sometimes put a player on such a high pedastal that they cant take them down.

    Gerrard is a prime example, of how he has been put up on high, by English pundits and journos, Lampard aswell. Gerrard has been dirt this season and has overstayed his place too long now.

    Hart is next in line. Wilshire is probably going to be another that won't reach the heights expected of him. His red card was down to being "tired" according to the English press and pundits, not that he was pissed off that United were strolling and he lashed out : /

    Hart has the Shay Given complex as I call it.A good shot stopper with some decent reactions but is piss poor in all other departments. Which equates to just above average keeper.

    De Geas reflexes, shot stopping and distribution have him easily at No.1 spot on the league, and when Lloris starts playing he will quickly topple Hart aswell.

    Its one of those lol comments that you get every so often with the English media and pundits who pile praise on a player not deserving.
    Can't agree with that. De Gea has his flaws aswell in fairness and they've been obvious in a lot of games.
    To say he's easily No.1 is a bit biased imo.

    I've no doubt he'll be up there with the very best in the world in time but he's still got a lot to learn. Hart has time on his side too.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    I know a lot of people always get tetchy whenever the topic is brought up, but Rooney has been dropping back and back over the last few months in terms of where he plays. He's said he wants to mvoe to a more central-midfield position as times goes on. So maybe the Lewandowski purchase would mean Rooney would start to move back a bit into midfield, even in an advanced attacking role.

    If Rooney dropped back, that leaves us with RVP, Chico and Welbeck up front. RVP is a cert to start any game he can. Chico could (rightly or wrongly) be the impact sub. So that means do we start Welbeck up front every game? If Lewandowski comes in, would we see him starting with RVP up front, Rooney and Kagawa filling up the attacking midfield, with two of Carrick, Anderson and Cleverly providing support from further back.

    RVP---Lewandowski
    --Rooney
    Kagawa--
    Carrick----Cleverly

    That leaves Welbeck and Chio as subs for strikers, Young and Val as backup for the second line, and Anderson (and Powell, in the long term) as back up for the third.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    Shouldn't a separate thread be created for comment on football gaming? No offence but does anyone really care how good a footballer is in FIFA?

    It's just a bit of fun. A few jokey posts won't hurt anybody.

    And the game is Football Manager, Grandad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,161 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I know a lot of people always get tetchy whenever the topic is brought up, but Rooney has been dropping back and back over the last few months in terms of where he plays. He's said he wants to mvoe to a more central-midfield position as times goes on. So maybe the Lewandowski purchase would mean Rooney would start to move back a bit into midfield, even in an advanced attacking role.

    I'm sorry, but no matter what way you present it, the reality is that we have no need for Lewandowski, or for any other striker. We didn't really even need Van Persie, but Fergie seemed to think he was too good to pass up. It was Robin freakin Van Persie, so that argument has merit.

    Lewandowski is no Robin Van Persie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    I know a lot of people always get tetchy whenever the topic is brought up, but Rooney has been dropping back and back over the last few months in terms of where he plays. He's said he wants to mvoe to a more central-midfield position as times goes on. So maybe the Lewandowski purchase would mean Rooney would start to move back a bit into midfield, even in an advanced attacking role.

    If Rooney dropped back, that leaves us with RVP, Chico and Welbeck up front. RVP is a cert to start any game he can. Chico could (rightly or wrongly) be the impact sub. So that means do we start Welbeck up front every game? If Lewandowski comes in, would we see him starting with RVP up front, Rooney and Kagawa filling up the attacking midfield, with two of Carrick, Anderson and Cleverly providing support from further back.

    RVP---Lewandowski
    --Rooney
    Kagawa--
    Carrick----Cleverly

    That leaves Welbeck and Chio as subs for strikers, Young and Val as backup for the second line, and Anderson (and Powell, in the long term) as back up for the third.

    That team has no width and has both Rooney and Kagawa playing in positions where they are less effective, ie from wide. Seems like a backwards step to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭aperture_nuig


    Apart from playing 3-5-2 and pacing the central areas, I unfortunately can't see a way of easily accommodating Lewandowski. With the players we have at the minute, I can't even see how we'll put in Kagawa without putting someone else out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    in the unlikely chance that we have everybody fit, what is everyones best team, plus the 7 subs?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    in the unlikely chance that we have everybody fit, what is everyones best team, plus the 7 subs?

    Impossible to answer really, there are lots of players that are very closely matched ability wise, much depends on form. But if everyone was on the very top of their game, I'd probably pick the following:

    de Gea
    Rafael
    Evans
    Vidic
    Evra
    Valencia
    Carrick
    Anderson
    Nani
    Rooney

    van Persie


    Subs: Lindegaard, Ferdinand, Smalling, Cleverley, Young, Kagawa, Hernandez


    Extremely difficult to leave out Jones, Fletcher, Scholes and Welbeck. Shows what an outstanding squad we have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,611 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    Blatter wrote: »
    Impossible to answer really, there are lots of players that are very closely matched ability wise, much depends on form. But if everyone was on the very top of their game, I'd probably pick the following:

    de Gea
    Rafael
    Evans
    Vidic
    Evra
    Valencia
    Carrick
    Anderson
    Nani
    Rooney

    van Persie


    Subs: Lindegaard, Ferdinand, Evans, Cleverley, Young, Kagawa, Hernandez


    Extremely difficult to leave out Jones, Fletcher, Scholes and Welbeck. Shows what an outstanding squad we have.

    Harsh on Jones to put Evans on the field and the bench.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    jaykay74 wrote: »
    Harsh on Jones to put Evans on the field and the bench.

    Tis Smalling that its harsh on, Jones is 5th choice CB IMO. id nearly have smalling beside Vidic as our first choice CB pairing, with Evans and Smalling the future.

    one way or another, we are going to have to invest heavily in our defence over the next 18 months.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    jaykay74 wrote: »
    Harsh on Jones to put Evans on the field and the bench.

    Harsh on Smalling you mean! :pac: He was meant to be on the bench but could easily have been starting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    Evans been great last 18months but I think Smalling is ahead of him if both were fully fit, I'd have jones on the bench ahead of Rio.

    Mine would be
    de Gea
    Rafael
    Smalling
    Vidic
    Evra
    Valencia
    Carrick
    Anderson
    Kagawa
    Rooney

    van Persie---

    Subs: Lindegaard, Jones, Evans, Young, Chico, Cleverley, Scholes

    Controversial! Rio was difficult to leave out but Nani is on the boat come Jan or Summer so no point in including him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    Tis Smalling that its harsh on, Jones is 5th choice CB IMO. id nearly have smalling beside Vidic as our first choice CB pairing, with Evans and Smalling the future.

    one way or another, we are going to have to invest heavily in our defence over the next 18 months.

    I get the impression you really dislike Jones?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭Vic Vinegar


    one way or another, we are going to have to invest heavily in our defence over the next 18 months.

    I can't agree with that, we are well stocked for centre backs, Rafael for right back + potential cover from Smalling & Jones, Evra will probably need to be replaced soon enough but Fabio could do that, if not we could buy someone in. Hardly a massive outlay required at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,783 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Tis Smalling that its harsh on, Jones is 5th choice CB IMO. id nearly have smalling beside Vidic as our first choice CB pairing, with Evans and Smalling the future.

    one way or another, we are going to have to invest heavily in our defence over the next 18 months.

    I think we need to invest big on a left back within that time frame, but other than that maybe a back up right back.

    Vidic will (hopefully) still be playing for us at a high level.
    Smalling and Evans are top quality CB prospects.
    Jones has a lot of potential (I admit he has further to go that the others with respect to playing CB).

    That is a group of 4 very good CBs.

    Rafael is a superb right back and will be one of the best in the world in a couple of years - no need to invest heavily to replace him. A backup possibly required but we should have Smalling, Jones and Fabio who can cover there.

    Evra has been doing very well at LB again, but he is likely to be the one we have most need to replace in your timeframe. I don't think Buttner has the quality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    bullvine wrote: »
    I get the impression you really dislike Jones?

    i dont dislike any united players, i fully support every player that puts on teh jersey.

    however, i believe that Phil Jones is extremely overrated by alot of United fans. his all action, tackling style and burst forward cover up huge cracks in his positioning and defending. he cost us alot of goals last season as a center half.

    he aint a patch on Smalling IMO right now. of course he is young and can develop, but he has a huge amount of developing to do to be good enough to replace Rio and Vidic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭bullvine


    i dont dislike any united players, i fully support every player that puts on teh jersey.

    however, i believe that Phil Jones is extremely overrated by alot of United fans. his all action, tackling style and burst forward cover up huge cracks in his positioning and defending. he cost us alot of goals last season as a center half.

    he aint a patch on Smalling IMO right now. of course he is young and can develop, but he has a huge amount of developing to do to be good enough to replace Rio and Vidic.

    I agree that Jones positioning needs a bit of work but the rest of his game is very strong, I don't think it will be long before we see how good he is.


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