The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

maximoose · 13-11-2012 12:53PM

The Concrete Doctor wrote: »

Yes, but in fairness, neither have any Christians in the name of Christianity.

Nah, they prefer car bombs and Ruger Minis. Anders says hi.

PopePalpatine · 13-11-2012 12:53PM

pauldla wrote: »

So, what are you talking about...?

The Mitsubishi Evolution? :rolleyes:

K_user · 13-11-2012 01:50PM

The Concrete Doctor wrote: »

Yes, but in fairness, neither have any Christians in the name of Christianity.

I'm sure the Christian martyr's would be delighted to here you say that!

And those executed for disagreeing with the church might be a little upset too!

The Concrete Doctor · 13-11-2012 02:26PM

How do creationists feel about the international team of astronomers who have produced the first map of the universe as it was 11 billion years ago? This map fills a gap between the Big Bang and the rapid expansion that followed. They don't mention creation in their work.

The Concrete Doctor · 13-11-2012 02:45PM

K_user wrote: »

I'm sure the Christian martyr's would be delighted to here you say that!

And those executed for disagreeing with the church might be a little upset too!

Agreed, there were horrendous acts carried out in the past, in the name of Christianity. Criticising that era is totally valid. There are nutters in every sector of society today. But Christians are generally very peaceful these days. It's not a criticism that can be levelled at people who believe in the bible, even if you do disagree with their views. Sectarian violence in Northern Ireland, for example, was not carried out on behalf of Christians, even though it was portrayed as Catholic v Protestant.

Masteroid · 13-11-2012 05:23PM

J C wrote: »

It can happen ... I know some extreme Evolutionists ... and others who just go along with it for an easy life.:);)

Says the guy who wants to replace science books with biblical texts.

Masteroid · 13-11-2012 05:25PM

maximoose wrote: »

Nah, they prefer car bombs and Ruger Minis. Anders says hi.

And I'm sure that Hitler could be described as having been a Christian fundamentalist.

tommy2bad · 13-11-2012 05:37PM

Masteroid wrote: »

And I'm sure that Hitler could be described as having been a Christian fundamentalist.

More a pagan fundamentalist if your to be accurate.

Masteroid · 13-11-2012 06:44PM

tommy2bad wrote: »

More a pagan fundamentalist if your to be accurate.

No, definitely a Christian. Why would a pagan acquire Christian artifacts and go to great effort at great expense to safeguard them?

If it were the case that Hitler simply intended to keep the Christians apart from their treasure then surely he would have destroyed it all out of spite.

No, I think Hitler venerated those objects as connecting him to his God.

J C · 13-11-2012 11:32PM

Masteroid wrote: »

Says the guy who wants to replace science books with biblical texts.

I am a conventionally qualified scientist who is also a Bible believing Christian.

The big problems for Molecules to Man 'Evolution' are:-
1. It never happened.
2. It is impossible.

Taking 'cheap shots' at me doesn't alter the fact that 'Molecules to Man Evolution' is the 'Perpetual Motion Machine' ... of Biology.:):D:eek:

J C · 13-11-2012 11:33PM

Masteroid wrote: »

No, definitely a Christian. Why would a pagan acquire Christian artifacts and go to great effort at great expense to safeguard them?

If it were the case that Hitler simply intended to keep the Christians apart from their treasure then surely he would have destroyed it all out of spite.

No, I think Hitler venerated those objects as connecting him to his God.

Hitler was an anti-christ of the highest order. What are these 'treasures' you speak of???

J C · 13-11-2012 11:38PM

The Concrete Doctor wrote: »

How do creationists feel about the international team of astronomers who have produced the first map of the universe as it was 11 billion years ago? This map fills a gap between the Big Bang and the rapid expansion that followed. They don't mention creation in their work.

... as these astronomers weren't there at the time of the inflation phase of the Universe ... could you explain how this map was drawn ... it refers to something that happened almost 10,000 years ago!!!!:)

The Concrete Doctor · 13-11-2012 11:53PM

J C wrote: »

... could you explain how this map was drawn ... they certainly weren't there at the time of the infation phase of the Universe ... as it happened almost 10,000 years ago!!!!:)

what happened almost 10,000 tears ago JC?

The study I'm talking about has been published in the journal "Astronomy & Astrophysics". It shows the universe went through a phase roughly three billion years after the Big Bang when expansion actually started to slow, before the force of so-called 'dark energy' kicked in and sent galaxies accelerating away from each other. Very interesting, but no word on creation.

Lelantos · 14-11-2012 12:05AM

J C wrote: »

I am a conventionally qualified scientist who is also a Bible believing Christian.

The big problems for Molecules to Man 'Evolution' are:-
1. It never happened.
2. It is impossible.

Taking 'cheap shots' at me doesn't alter the fact that 'Molecules to Man Evolution' is the 'Perpetual Motion Machine' ... of Biology.:):D:eek:

No, you are evidently not as it is impossible for a logical, free thinking & balanced mind to marry the 2.

The Concrete Doctor · 14-11-2012 12:06AM

J C wrote: »

... as these astronomers weren't there at the time of the inflation phase of the Universe ... could you explain how this map was drawn ... it refers to something that happened almost 10,000 years ago!!!!:)

NASA's Hubble Space Telescope found the most distant object ever seen in the universe. The object's light travelled 13.2 billion years to reach Hubble. That's roughly 150 million years longer than the previous record holder. By the way, the age of the universe is approximately 13.7 billion years, give or take a few million years, but as a scientist JC, you know that.

Gumbi · 14-11-2012 12:30AM

The Concrete Doctor wrote: »

NASA's Hubble Space Telescope found the most distant object ever seen in the universe. The object's light travelled 13.2 billion years to reach Hubble. That's roughly 150 million years longer than the previous record holder. By the way, the age of the universe is approximately 13.7 billion years, give or take a few million years, but as a scientist JC, you know that.

Nonono. We can see distant stars because of [i/magic], not because light travels at a certain speed.

Zombrex · 14-11-2012 01:32AM

Gumbi wrote: »

Nonono. We can see distant stars because of [i/magic], not because light travels at a certain speed.

God did it ... psychic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JaRObcLsds

Gumbi · 14-11-2012 02:01AM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rJp86_tj9KQ

Masteroid · 14-11-2012 02:47AM

J C wrote: »

Hitler was an anti-christ of the highest order. What are these 'treasures' you speak of???

The Spear of Destiny and other stuff he had the S.S. remove from Vienna after Austria was annexed c. 1938.

He's definitely one of yours.

J C · 14-11-2012 09:31AM

Lelantos wrote: »

No, you are evidently not as it is impossible for a logical, free thinking & balanced mind to marry the 2.

... I agree ... so why do Evolutionists maintain that 'M 2 M Evolution' happened then??

Sin City · 14-11-2012 10:56AM

Masteroid wrote: »

The Spear of Destiny and other stuff he had the S.S. remove from Vienna after Austria was annexed c. 1938.

He's definitely one of yours.

Not to mention the Ark of the covenant from Raiders or the Lost Ark lol

Sin City · 14-11-2012 11:00AM

J C wrote: »

I am a conventionally qualified scientist who is also a Bible believing Christian.

The big problems for Molecules to Man 'Evolution' are:-
1. It never happened.
2. It is impossible.

Taking 'cheap shots' at me doesn't alter the fact that 'Molecules to Man Evolution' is the 'Perpetual Motion Machine' ... of Biology.:):D:eek:

Absoulutly right JC. You tell em, we arent created from Monkeys at all, just from the sh*t on the ground, thats what god made us from.

Evolution pah

The Bag Man · 14-11-2012 11:15AM

JC,

Do you accept that Evolution either did or did not happen? There is no grey area with it?

PDN · 14-11-2012 11:53AM

The Bag Man wrote: »

JC,

Do you accept that Evolution either did or did not happen? There is no grey area with it?

While I don't share JC's views, that is untrue. There are different varieties of belief in evolution.

tommy2bad · 14-11-2012 11:59AM

Masteroid wrote: »

No, definitely a Christian. Why would a pagan acquire Christian artifacts and go to great effort at great expense to safeguard them?

If it were the case that Hitler simply intended to keep the Christians apart from their treasure then surely he would have destroyed it all out of spite.

No, I think Hitler venerated those objects as connecting him to his God.

Then you are wrong. The Nazis were more likely to worship Wodin than Jesus;

"When one thinks of the opinions held concerning Christianity by our best minds a hundred, two hundred years ago, one is ashamed to realise how little we have since evolved. I didn't know that Julian the Apostate had passed judgment with such clear-sightedness on Christianity and Christians.... the Galilean, who later was called the Christ, intended something quite different. He must be regarded as a popular leader who took up His position against Jewry... and it's certain that Jesus was not a Jew. The Jews, by the way, regarded Him as the son of a whore—of a whore and a Roman soldier. The decisive falsification of Jesus's doctrine was the work of St. Paul.... Paul of Tarsus (his name was Saul, before the road to Damascus) was one of those who persecuted Jesus most savagely."

From Trevor-Roper, Hugh, ed. (2000). Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944. Trans. Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens

The Concrete Doctor · 14-11-2012 12:41PM

The Bag Man wrote: »

JC,

Do you accept that Evolution either did or did not happen? There is no grey area with it?

Opening up a hornets nest you are bagman. Be careful, that's all I'm saying!

K_user · 14-11-2012 12:55PM

J C wrote: »

I am a conventionally qualified scientist who is also a Bible believing Christian.

The big problems for Molecules to Man 'Evolution' are:-
1. It never happened.
2. It is impossible.

Taking 'cheap shots' at me doesn't alter the fact that 'Molecules to Man Evolution' is the 'Perpetual Motion Machine' ... of Biology.:):D:eek:

You know at any given time in our past the following have never happened, and have been impossible:

Fire, sailing, tubes that shoot projectiles, phones, cars, planes, mobile phones, unmanned flights, computers, space flight, satellites, TV, instant communication with anywhere in the world, the kettle and sssssoooo much more...imagine what is impossible now, but will be normal in 10 years time?

Amazing how science has changed our lives completely, but there are still those that ignore its findings simply because they don't like the sound of it.

I'm willing to bet that somewhere out there, right now, there is a person who doesn't believe in chairs

K_user · 14-11-2012 01:00PM

J C wrote: »

... as these astronomers weren't there at the time of the inflation phase of the Universe ... could you explain how this map was drawn ... it refers to something that happened almost 10,000 years ago!!!!:)

Historians and scholars weren't around in the time of their chosen fields of study either, should we disregard their opinions too?

pauldla · 14-11-2012 01:01PM

I believe in chairs.

Lelantos · 14-11-2012 01:05PM

pauldla wrote: »

I believe in chairs.

Witch! Burn the witch!

The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

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