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Is Ireland right-wing or left-wing?

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    #92
    vote_for_sale
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    old hippy wrote: »
    That's quite a bold observation after only 6 posts ;)

    If I was to take the political temperature, using boards, I'd be of the opinion that Ireland is right wing.

    And I'd be wrong, I hope :D

    i guess some people see what they want to see


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    #93
    vote_for_sale
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    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    I mean there is little liberalism on boards.

    your joking , its a liberal lefty pc love in everyday of the week


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    #94
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    vote_for_sale wrote: »
    i guess some people see what they want to see

    And what have you seen, during your 1 whole day on boards?:)


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    #95
    vote_for_sale
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    old hippy wrote: »
    And what have you seen, during your 1 whole day on boards?:)

    cut the foreplay and run to the teacher like a good boy , never a shortage of tell tales on boards , thats for sure


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    #96
    Madam_X
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    vote_for_sale wrote: »
    your joking , its a liberal lefty pc love in everyday of the week
    "Liberal lefty pc love-in" no doubt meaning crazy stuff like "Don't judge all muslims; plenty of immigrants are hard-working and decent contributors to Irish society" etc.

    Fairly vocal far right lunatic contingent too though.


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    #97
    Duggys Housemate
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    I'd say vote will have a short shelflife.


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    #98
    9959
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    barbiegirl wrote: »
    I would be talking more the likes of Connolly and those who fought 15 to 20 years previously. They are our founding fathers, not De Valera (the snake). At the time 1937 right wing philosphies had taken hold throughout western Europe not just in Ireland. Read the proclaimation, it is exclusively left wing.

    I believe Pearse and his brand of ultra-nationalism would have overwhelmed Connolly and his ilk.
    The reasoning would have went something like this "Let's get the Brits out first, then we'll worry about all that socialist stuff"
    Regarding the proclomation "Irishmen and Irishwomen: In the name of GOD....
    That's enough 'exclusively left wing' for me thanks.


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    #99
    old hippy
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    vote_for_sale wrote: »
    cut the foreplay and run to the teacher like a good boy , never a shortage of tell tales on boards , thats for sure


    What on earth are you talking about?

    And just what exactly have you learned in your one day here?


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    #100
    Duggys Housemate
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    9959 wrote: »
    I believe Pearse and his brand of ultra-nationalism would have overwhelmed Connolly and his ilk.
    The reasoning would have went something like this "Let's get the Brits out first, then we'll worry about all that socialist stuff"
    Regarding the proclomation "Irishmen and Irishwomen: In the name of GOD....
    That's enough 'exclusively left wing' for me thanks.

    funny enough, you could be socialist and a believer back in the day.


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    #101
    kupus
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    Ah here, FFS....any further left Ireland would be a commie/socialist hybrid....hold on a minute:confused:

    A government with an overpaid, overbloated public service, canoodling with the PR savvy, interest only in members lobby group known as Unions.

    A judicial system that insures repeat offenders are represented by free lawyer services(free to the offender, not the taxpayer mind) Would the judicial guys like a revamp of the way law is done, like f88k they would, a merry-go-round ensures they get paid regularly. (for the chosen few of course, example... all the tribunals that people have forgotten already.)

    A welfare system that can sustain you from the moment of life to your final breath.

    A country where owning a businesses marks you out as a dirty money grabbing capitalist.

    oh and for the sucker punch, should your hard working business that you work on for 16-18 hrs a day 7 days a week go under......
    No support from the government. NONE, ZILCH, NADA. RIEN.......
    so in turn WHY would you create something that can give you and others jobs when you can go from cradle to the grave been taken care of by the government.


    TL;DR your ma.


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    #102
    redfacedbear
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    I think we're very populist and hypocritical in our outlook - by and large. If you look at criminal law the response to issues is usually a right-wing bigger prisons/longer sentences type response. Yet when we thought we had money we often sought to solve perceived problems in other areas with left-wing style state spending (Pension increases, Child benefit increases).

    At the same time we have 'radical left' parties who oppose a property tax with a straight face. Stupid populism & rank hypocracy.


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    #103
    vote_for_sale
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    Madam_X wrote: »
    "Liberal lefty pc love-in" no doubt meaning crazy stuff like "Don't judge all muslims; plenty of immigrants are hard-working and decent contributors to Irish society" etc.

    Fairly vocal far right lunatic contingent too though.


    more like , travellers are an opressed ethnic group who need to be embraced by the rest of us

    their is zero correlation between islam and medieval violence

    reducing immigration is a sure sign of racism

    thats the general run of it here


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    #104
    suicide_circus
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    BOHtox wrote: »
    We have a marginal tax rate of over 50%, we own our banks, we borrow mass amounts of money, this money goes to very high welfare payments, we don't encourage competition and when a company fails we bail them out. We have a huge government, large public sector and any competition in areas such as transport, health and education is discouraged. FG are moving it slightly to the right but there's no doubt we're left wing!

    Shenshen wrote: »
    By comparison, our corporation tax is one of the lowest in Europe, while our welfare entitlements are less than half that of some EU countries (European average welfare spending is 27%, Ireland spent just over 18% in 2009, which has been cut substantially since then), the education is mostly in the hands of the church or other organisations on which the governments seems to have little enough influence.
    Civil rights lag behind the rest of Europe, and environmentalism is in its infancy here at best.

    No doubt we're right wing.

    since both of you are correct, dosnt that make us the definition of centrist ?


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    #105
    Madam_X
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    vote_for_sale wrote: »
    more like , travellers are an opressed ethnic group who need to be embraced by the rest of us

    their is zero correlation between islam and medieval violence

    reducing immigration is a sure sign of racism
    There is no way the above are general consenses on After Hours. Either you're misinterpreting "Not all travellers are bad", "Not all muslims are bad", "Not all immigrants are scammers" (which do NOT mean the same as the above) or you're taking the sentiments of a silly minority to be the majority point of view across Boards.


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    #106
    billybudd
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    No wing.


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    #107
    Crooked Jack
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    A wing and a prayer


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    #108
    suicide_circus
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    Little Wing, hit it Stevie Ray !



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    #109
    dr.bollocko
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    I banned voteforsale for being a re-regging troll btw.

    In case anyone is wondering like.


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    #110
    HavingCrack
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    9959 wrote: »
    Fianna Fail. Right-Wing. Always were, always will be, don't believe all that guff about the party of the peasants.

    Fianna Fail aren't right wing to be honest, in fact they're not left wing or centrist either. Fianna Fail are the definition of a populist political party, far more so than any other party in Ireland. Fianna Fail would do anything to buy votes, taking positions that completely contradict themselves.

    The definition of a party without politics really.


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    #111
    Qualitymark
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    HavingCrack wrote: »
    Fianna Fail aren't right wing to be honest, in fact they're not left wing or centrist either. Fianna Fail are the definition of a populist political party, far more so than any other party in Ireland. Fianna Fail would do anything to buy votes, taking positions that completely contradict themselves.

    The definition of a party without politics really.

    Wow!

    This is so true! And I've never seen it before! They're the Late Late Show of politics, reflecting the Irish zeitgeist as it changes, reinventing themselves when Irish people change their views! Thank you so much, HavingCrack.


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    #112
    9959
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    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    funny enough, you could be socialist and a believer back in the day.

    Agreed.
    That is funny.


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    #113
    IngazZagni
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    We are left of center for sure but it depends who you compare it to. Many here would consider Fine Gael to be centre right but in the States they would be considered liberal lefty commies by many.

    So yeah left wing with some right wing policies thrown in like the low corporate tax rate.


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    #114
    9959
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    HavingCrack wrote: »
    Fianna Fail aren't right wing to be honest, in fact they're not left wing or centrist either. Fianna Fail are the definition of a populist political party, far more so than any other party in Ireland. Fianna Fail would do anything to buy votes, taking positions that completely contradict themselves.

    The definition of a party without politics really.

    Hard to disagree with the above, Bertie in particular was apolitical.
    However, McCreevy's economics - shared by a lot of the party at the time - were right-wing. Wasn't he tempted to join the PD's at one stage?

    IMO. In a country such as Ireland, any political party which fails to challenge either the inequities of the status quo or the political system in which corruption, cronyism and malfeasance survive and thrive, is right-wing, even if that right-wing 'ideology' appears wooly and is not explicitly stated.


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    #115
    Eve_Dublin
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    ElChe32 wrote: »
    Having lived in Sweden for the past 3 years, there is nothing boring about a fantastic healthcare system, transport system and education system....although queing for the alcohol store around major holidays does suck...but I know where I'm staying for the next few years!

    Yep. Some people view a government's very successful (although not perfect) attempt to eradicate poverty and social inequality as boring. I'd view it as rather exciting and radical actually, but there you go.


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    #116
    IngazZagni
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    9959 wrote: »

    Hard to disagree with the above, Bertie in particular was apolitical.
    However, McCreevy's economics - shared by a lot of the party at the time - were right-wing. Wasn't he tempted to join the PD's at one stage?

    IMO. In a country such as Ireland, any political party which fails to challenge either the inequities of the status quo or the political system in which corruption, cronyism and malfeasance survive and thrive, is right-wing, even if that right-wing 'ideology' appears wooly and is not explicitly stated.

    Nonsense. Corruption is neither left wing or right. It's simply just that, corrupt and has and does exist left and right all over the world.


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    #117
    Pilotdude5
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    The third option is wrong:


    An F-15 of the Israeli Air-force collided with a skyhawk while doing a practice. the skyhawk blew away but the pilot abandoned it peacefully. the f-15 lost his right wind but the pilot Ziv Nadivi couldn't see it because of the vast fuel fumes that covered it. the pilot and the navigator Yehuar Gal did not know they are flying on one wing only, a state which is of course "impossible" to fly in, and didn't not abandoned the jet but continued to land a crash landing. because of the high velocity of the jet (450kph) while landing, the stopping hook was cut away and the jet stopped a few meters before the end of the runway.


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    #118
    Chuck Stone
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    'Is Ireland right-wing or left-wing?'

    *lights pipe and contemplates the question as plumes of sweet, grey smoke rise above Chuck's head*

    'Compared to who?'


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    #119
    9959
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    IngazZagni wrote: »
    Nonsense. Corruption is neither left wing or right. It's simply just that, corrupt and has and does exist left and right all over the world.

    We're talking Ireland here, not some socialist utopia.
    Was the 'corruption' which got us into this present mess, left-wing corruption?


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    #120
    K-9
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    vote_for_sale wrote: »
    your joking , its a liberal lefty pc love in everyday of the week

    Its the anti Catholic, liberal bias in the meejia I blame.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #121
    Duggys Housemate
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    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    Yep. Some people view a government's very successful (although not perfect) attempt to eradicate poverty and social inequality as boring. I'd view it as rather exciting and radical actually, but there you go.

    Well, then you should favor communism, rather than Swedish social democracy, which won't ever social inequality.


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