Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

batistuta9 · 03-11-2012 05:06PM

Galvasean wrote: »

'arry must have a short memory.

heard him saying it on MOTD a few weeks back & the commentator today on the game on starstreams, ESPN it was with steve mcmanamen co-commentator said he said it in an interview during the week

anyway on MOTD he was saying the teams worse than last year & that how could any team be stronger after losing RVP

he could be right & i even think i heard him saying it earlier in the season too when things were looking a lot better

bad2dabone · 03-11-2012 05:06PM

emergingstar wrote: »

This is the fcuking frustrating part why should we new to turn to Arshavin or Chamak when we have 70 odd million in the banks

Weather it's the board or wenger someone fcuked that one right up

couldn't agree more. ****ing losing to united always hurts. I'm depressed now lads. depressed.

Soups123 · 03-11-2012 05:14PM

So much wrong today but the biggest problem isn't our players ability it's 100% the mental attitude of this team over the past 4 weeks, it's only the start of November and they look like they have already given up, no energy, passion or commitment, seen glimpses of it with Wilshere & Mert but the rest? It's probably a lot to do with confidence but that's a huge problem.

Drexel · 03-11-2012 05:19PM

Other results seem to have gone or way today. Still only 2 points off Everton and spurs who I think I'm finally starting to realise are our main rivals. Gotta stop dreaming thinkng we can compete with the top 3. They seem miles ahead of the rest

keano_afc · 03-11-2012 05:24PM

Indeed, the technical ability of these players is not the problem. They have absolutely no bottle, no desire. When we had the ball, United chased us to get it back but when they had it we just strolled around uninterested. That they never even had to get out of first gear to beat us is hard to stomach. And that, in truth, is the fault of the manager. I'm not in the Wenger Out camp, but.....I'm finding it hard to finish that sentence.

We're going backwards, and mentally these players are an embarrassment to the shirt and the brilliant fans that follow the team. I think something has to change. Formation, personnel, tactics, something. We've been let off the hook today with other results as we were last season. I'm fed up with complete ineptitude of this team.

wonga77 · 03-11-2012 05:28PM

Re Arshavin and Chamak, Theres no point talking about money in the bank now or at least till xmas, these guys are still on the payroll for the moment and must surely be worth a shot. Just to give a kick up the hole for a few others. Theres absolutely no competition for places for some guys and you need players with a point to prove and fighting for a place to inject a bit of life into the team.
Arshavin is not the best example obviously (for injecting a bit of life) but i thought he did ok today when he came on apart from a silly yellow

emergingstar · 03-11-2012 05:56PM

jonny666 wrote: »

Other results seem to have gone or way today. Still only 2 points off Everton and spurs who I think I'm finally starting to realise are our main rivals. Gotta stop dreaming thinkng we can compete with the top 3. They seem miles ahead of the rest

This, I look at these teams results now the other 3 are not our rivals

Soups123 · 03-11-2012 05:58PM

We have a problem for me that has been obvious the past few years, our forward 6 are all about having the ball, none are about getting it back, Arteta is doing a good job at it but his natural game is receiving and passing. Wilshere can do it but again it's not his natural game. Too much of Wengers philosophy is about what to do with the ball I've never got the impression we worked hard enough on the off the ball. If you look at United over the past few years every time they played a top team 2 out of Carrick, Fletcher and Carrick were called back into the starting 11. If you don't have those players the you have to have your pressing game plan where your footballers pressure the ball . We don't have either!

Today was disappointing but onwards and upwards.

emergingstar · 03-11-2012 06:04PM

Team for tues hopefully
Manonne
Sanga. Per. Kos. Verm.
Santi. Coq. Arteta. Podolski
Giroud
Walcott

Soups123 · 03-11-2012 06:12PM

Mentioned on the match thread and I see a few mentions in here, but unless there is a really good explanation for taking RVPs jersey I hope Wenger deals with Santos, asking for the jersey of your rival teams striker at half time and after he just scored against you is god dame awful and disrespectful to the club and its fans.

Even if it was a bet it shouldn't have been done openly like that. That really pissed me off today

Drexel · 03-11-2012 06:22PM

Soups123 wrote: »

Mentioned on the match thread and I see a few mentions in here, but unless there is a really good explanation for taking RVPs jersey I hope Wenger deals with Santos, asking for the jersey of your rival teams striker at half time and after he just scored against you is god dame awful and disrespectful to the club and its fans.

Even if it was a bet it shouldn't have been done openly like that. That really pissed me off today

That's really mental. I've never heard of it happening before

Gus99 · 03-11-2012 06:33PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

...Doubt Jack will play the full 90...

You cursed us there !

03-11-2012 06:33PM

HazDanz wrote: »

Verm was very poor today. As was Santos. We looked so blunt going forward it was depressing.

Well done Mertesacker though, I thought he had a great game. His positioning is always top drawer.

Ive been criitical in the past but he is the only defender who emerged with any credibility today (granted Sagna is just back from injury). I would play Koc alongside him and i think maybe Frimpong should be tried out. He would give us an aggression and an urgency that Arteta just isnt giving us. Still young and raw but will be a top drawer player

03-11-2012 06:45PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Sick again after another tame effort at Old Trafford, no width, no pace, no cohesian, no leaders, and fcuk all bottle. Gone are they good owl days when we had players that wore there heart on there sleeve. Only for Manonne it would of been 4 or 5 and this is a Utd side in first gear. Just simply not good enough anymore!!

It was as if United fell sorry for us. Thats how far our stock has fallen. Wenger will always cite the share price as an argument for success at the club and thats all well and good but he should remember that Arsenal may not have the global appeal they once had especially after what todays performance told us. Its a bad state of affairs when even Stoke can go to Old Trafford and put up a better fight.

Shares can go up and down and i cant see Arsenals shares improving much more then they have, in fact the only way is down if anything. Adidas are said to be ploughing 25 million a year in for the next few years but given the fact they wouldnt offer Liverpool any more then they are worth due to their struggles then if our deal hasnt been rubber stamped, they may well go back to the table with Gazidis and ask for a better deal.

Besides all that Its no longer about the business model around the club but the footballing side of things within the club. There is a failure of Wenger to adapt new strategies or tactics. There are players running into cul de sacs, lack of fight, lack of bottle, lack of belief, lack of urgency and its been the same thing since we last won a trophy back in 2005.

The manager and the board will have to agree that things have to somehow change on the field in order for the club to prosper.

New players aren't exactly the remedy i think

purplepanda · 03-11-2012 06:48PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

Then again, I am a Liverpool fan so i'm always going to be envious of a side who can cash in on their best players and still operate in the top 4 year in year out. Its miraculous really, but I appreciate the bar is being set a little higher at Arsenal than at Liverpool right now.

Liverpool fans will remember their previous American owners asset stripping the club for personal gain. The board & Kroenke will soon be lining their pockets at fans expense at the earliest chance if not already, probably next year according to some football finance analysts.

And they have already made very substantial profits from property sales around the stadium area. :mad: Despite the original investment capital coming from the clubs budget.

Suffice to say that Gazidis will be ensuring his annual bonus by selling more players every season.

If Wenger was a serious manager he would be demanding substantial transfer funds from the petty cash before Kroenke & Co get their hands on the loot! :rolleyes:

03-11-2012 06:58PM

Back in the good old days Arsenal used go from one end of the field to the other in roughly 15 seconds and score. There just isnt that class at the club any more. There is no real width in the team. No runners ghosting in to the box queing up to have a shot ala Ljungberg and Pires. The only thing that resembled it was the match vs Liverpool at Anfield. Diaby, who unfortunately to our detriment is always injured, made a Vieira-esque run and had Podolski and Giroud to aim for at either side with Cazorla not too far away either.

Ramsey just isnt that sort of player and Arteta is too deep and Mr 'Play it safe'. Jack is too similar to Cazorla and asking him to play that role is probably unfair also.

Its an even worse start then last season and the last time we started similar was back in 1994/1995 when we finished 12th in the league and that was an Arsenal team with a bit of fight and bottle if nothing else

tayto lover · 03-11-2012 07:20PM

Yesterday I said I wanted our team to play like men and carry the fight to United.
What we got from them was a toothless and gutless performance. They started the game like a team who didn't believe they could win and carried that on through the whole game. We really are a shambles and I thought it was very embarrassing. United didn't really have to get into second gear.

The league is now a three horse race. The rest are playing for fourth and I really don't think that is good enough for the Arsenal I love. I am not going to single out anyone, the entire team is very poor.

Wilshere should have been taken off before he was sent off and that is the manager's fault. It wouldn't really have mattered anyway because we were bossed throughout but he should have been replaced.

Money and profits are more important than trophies at Arsenal now.
We have 15 points out of a possible 30. Another blank season definitely looming and it's not even Christmas yet. That team won't win anything.

12gauge dave · 03-11-2012 07:35PM

We cant/wont pay world class players wages so we will never have a world class team

03-11-2012 07:38PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Yesterday I said I wanted our team to play like men and carry the fight to United.
What we got from them was a toothless and gutless performance. They started the game like a team who didn't believe they could win and carried that on through the whole game. We really are a shambles and I thought it was very embarrassing. United didn't really have to get into second gear.

The league is now a three horse race. The rest are playing for fourth and I really don't think that is good enough for the Arsenal I love. I am not going to single out anyone, the entire team is very poor.

Wilshere should have been taken off before he was sent off and that is the manager's fault. It wouldn't really have mattered anyway because we were bossed throughout but he should have been replaced.

Money and profits are more important than trophies at Arsenal now.
We have 15 points out of a possible 30. Another blank season definitely looming and it's not even Christmas yet. That team won't win anything.

Just on that point which is a very good one i might add, does the idiots on the Arsenal board not realise that there is a positive correlation between trophies or fighting for them at least, and the profitability and global appeal of the club? or is it that they are happy to draw a set figure for themselves every year?

Some of the players are just not good enough like Ramsey and Santos while others like Arshavin, etc just dont care to be honest and the buck stops with Arsene Wenger there.

On top of that we have injury burdens like Diaby, Djourou and Rosicky who should have been cut loose long ago. Rosicky lured us into a new contract with a handful of good performances since his return in 2009 but he should have been dumped long before. Diaby and Djourou the same. Loads of potential but cant stay fit.

It would seem Wenger always looks at the attacking attributes of a player before the defensive. You'd wonder what prompted him to buy his centre backs? Was it the goals they scored on occasion or their actual defending abilities? Granted our 3 best are competent when they are on form but did Wenger base their abilities more on ball playing or defending?

bad2dabone · 03-11-2012 07:44PM

Usually i think Tayto Lover is too negative. However I can't disagree with that last post of his.

Charisteas · 03-11-2012 07:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its an even worse start then last season and the last time we started similar was back in 1994/1995 when we finished 12th in the league and that was an Arsenal team with a bit of fight and bottle if nothing else

And even that weak team in the mid 90's had more success than recent Arsenal teams.

willowthewisp · 03-11-2012 08:18PM

Not that would have probably mattered much but Man U got away with countless potential yellow cards and ironically the most fouled and targeted player gets the line.
Ferguson and his "Masonic" mates, says it all.

DenMan · 03-11-2012 08:30PM

John Giles's analysis there was devastating!

03-11-2012 08:30PM

Sunderland conceded today so we have the best defence in the league again.

keano_afc · 03-11-2012 08:31PM

DenMan wrote: »

John Giles's analysis there was devastating!

Giles always give out about us, regardless of how we do. What did he say?

DB10 · 03-11-2012 08:37PM

What did Giles say?

Tbh re Santos incident I think he should be fined. Its not long since he was caught speeding aswell, and his performances have been below par. Alex Ferguson was disappointed with Uniteds performance today. He is the benchmark. He wouldnt tolerate this **** from Santos, AFC and Wenger should not either.

So disappointing that we always embarrass ourselves at Old Trafford, Wenger needs to step up with a gameplan against United. Different formation/tactics.

**** teams can win at Old Trafford and at the very least make a match of it.

bad2dabone · 03-11-2012 08:38PM

I'm having some serious doubts about Wengers ability to motivate this team and to instill belief in them.

03-11-2012 08:39PM

Charisteas wrote: »

And even that weak team in the mid 90's had more success than recent Arsenal teams.

One thing about Parlour, Jensen, etc is that at least they fought tooth and nail for the shirt and we had Ian Wright who was a goal machine. We hadnt the best team in the world but we had players who could dig deep if needs be and take the game by the scruff of the neck. Even Steve Morrow our 4th or 5th choice centre back stepped up to the plate when needed be in the 1993 League Cup final and Andy Linighan done the same in the FA Cup final same year when penalties were looming.

03-11-2012 08:45PM

keano_afc wrote: »

Giles always give out about us, regardless of how we do. What did he say?

We're giving him loads of ammunition in fairness. He pointed out shoddy, keystone cops like defending. At one stage Vermaelen ran away from his man and whether it was a dreadful attempt to play the offside trap or he had realised he had made a glaring error and covered it up with as such, either way, no one ran with him.

Our manager to say 'We had the better chances' :eek: He deserves a hammering

03-11-2012 08:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sunderland conceded today so we have the best defence in the league again.

Good jesus will you stop your trolling :mad: as if we're not pissed off enough then to have to entertain your rubbish.

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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