Shameful attack on 12 yr old on Halloween in Dublin

Stheno · 03-11-2012 01:47PM

Poor child just out for a night and ending up with those injuries

Madam_X · 03-11-2012 01:54PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

... and boards.ie has sunk to a new low. making jokes and trying to turn it into a debate about racism.
A 12 year old got disfigured by a bunch of scumbags. But hey, who cares about that right?

Of course people care. But yeh the OP has stooped pretty low all right to choose this awful case to rant about the backwards Irish.

Chinasea wrote: »

For sure these little thugs picked on this guy because he was black.

How do you know?

Are we trying to say that this doesn't exist?

No, "we" are not. But you're hoping we are.

BUT the fact that you might be considered different to them gives them a clear motive.

They don't need any motive other than victim being in the wrong place at the wrong time and unable to stand up to them.

Fighting Irish · 03-11-2012 02:15PM

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Chinasea · 03-11-2012 02:41PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Right. Unless you have a link to a news story that says this was a racist attack, don't bother posting in this thread again.

/mod

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0925/1224324360580.html

KITTY HOLLAND
"COMPLACENCY ABOUT racism is increasing and victims of racist attacks are increasingly unwilling to report them to the Garda, the chief executive of the Immigrant Council of Ireland has warned.
Denise Charlton, speaking at a conference on increasing young people’s participation in combating racism, said there was a “growing gap . . . between the authorities, be it local councils or the gardaí, and the victims of racism. The people who speak to us are showing a reluctance to come forward to the representatives of ‘official Ireland’.”
Increasingly, she said, victims felt their complaints would be filed away and ignored or that a complaint put them in the spotlight and made them a likely target for future attacks.
“Witnesses too are turning a blind eye – not wanting to get involved when they see incidents in public places.”
This was unacceptable, she said.
Prof Mairtín Mac an Ghaill, of Newman University College, Birmingham, said that if racism was to be radically addressed, the sense of exclusion felt by the poorest members of the ethnic majority must be addressed.
“We need to start with the white, dispossessed, working class.”

The above article sums up my point.
Please read it and let people make up their own minds.
The hideous incident that I have highlighted happened only a few days ago therefore the racial aspect of this incident has not been highlighted as yet and I wonder if it every will......again judging by how racially motivated cases have been dealt with in Ireland to-date I don't hold out much hope.

El Weirdo · 03-11-2012 02:44PM

Chinasea wrote: »

The above article sums up my point.

That doesn't have anything to do with the attack in the OP.

Banned.

MagicSean · 03-11-2012 02:55PM

Chinasea wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0925/1224324360580.html

KITTY HOLLAND
"COMPLACENCY ABOUT racism is increasing and victims of racist attacks are increasingly unwilling to report them to the Garda, the chief executive of the Immigrant Council of Ireland has warned.
Denise Charlton, speaking at a conference on increasing young people’s participation in combating racism, said there was a “growing gap . . . between the authorities, be it local councils or the gardaí, and the victims of racism. The people who speak to us are showing a reluctance to come forward to the representatives of ‘official Ireland’.”
Increasingly, she said, victims felt their complaints would be filed away and ignored or that a complaint put them in the spotlight and made them a likely target for future attacks.
“Witnesses too are turning a blind eye – not wanting to get involved when they see incidents in public places.”
This was unacceptable, she said.
Prof Mairtín Mac an Ghaill, of Newman University College, Birmingham, said that if racism was to be radically addressed, the sense of exclusion felt by the poorest members of the ethnic majority must be addressed.
“We need to start with the white, dispossessed, working class.”

The above article sums up my point.
Please read it and let people make up their own minds.

The hideous incident that I have highlighted happened only a few days ago therefore the racial aspect of this incident has not been highlighted as yet and I wonder if it every will......again judging by how racially motivated cases have been dealt with in Ireland to-date I don't hold out much hope.

The firework was thrown at two kids, one white and one black. It is only by chance and not by design that the black child came out with the more serious injury. It could easily have been the other way around.

Your eagerness to attach the racist tag to a random act of violence belittles the experiences those subject to actual racism and shows a complete lack of understanding as to what racism is or of its effects.

af_thefragile · 03-11-2012 03:37PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Racist.

Imagine somebody posted "attackers were probably black scumbags". :rolleyes:

There'd absolute outrage on here....

You know the subgroup of people I am referring to here.

tallaghtmick · 03-11-2012 03:44PM

Chinasea wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0925/1224324360580.html

KITTY HOLLAND
"COMPLACENCY ABOUT racism is increasing and victims of racist attacks are increasingly unwilling to report them to the Garda, the chief executive of the Immigrant Council of Ireland has warned.
Denise Charlton, speaking at a conference on increasing young people’s participation in combating racism, said there was a “growing gap . . . between the authorities, be it local councils or the gardaí, and the victims of racism. The people who speak to us are showing a reluctance to come forward to the representatives of ‘official Ireland’.”
Increasingly, she said, victims felt their complaints would be filed away and ignored or that a complaint put them in the spotlight and made them a likely target for future attacks.
“Witnesses too are turning a blind eye – not wanting to get involved when they see incidents in public places.”
This was unacceptable, she said.
Prof Mairtín Mac an Ghaill, of Newman University College, Birmingham, said that if racism was to be radically addressed, the sense of exclusion felt by the poorest members of the ethnic majority must be addressed.
“We need to start with the white, dispossessed, working class.”

The above article sums up my point.
Please read it and let people make up their own minds.

The hideous incident that I have highlighted happened only a few days ago therefore the racial aspect of this incident has not been highlighted as yet and I wonder if it every will......again judging by how racially motivated cases have been dealt with in Ireland to-date I don't hold out much hope.

Lol at that! It has nothing to do with what happened,I would like to insult you but I may get a ban like yourself :pac:

Dont ban me

Sappa · 03-11-2012 03:48PM

He must have been targeted because he was black,this is shameful stuff

bodhrandude · 03-11-2012 03:52PM

Have you ever considered that it might be a white African that was affected, the papers say nothing about colour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Africans_of_European_ancestry

tallaghtmick · 03-11-2012 03:55PM

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Jeeeeeeeeaysus christ!

They fired a rocket at 2 kids 1 White 1 Black how is that racially motivated unless they feckin hate Zebra's!!!!

Sappa wrote: »

He must have been targeted because he was black,this is shameful stuff

I hate having to quote myself.......

pache · 03-11-2012 04:06PM

The boy is recovering in the burns unit of Our Lady's Hospital in Crumlin, where he met with a plastic surgeon yesterday."[/QUOTE]

Fabulous people working here and a fabulous service provided for all sick children.
It pains me when i hear that our lady's hospital for sick children has to fund raise to keep providing this much treasured service.Its nothing short of a damm shame that our own state cant fully fund this oft taken for granted place.

Rant over.

Sappa · 03-11-2012 04:10PM

pache wrote: »

The boy is recovering in the burns unit of Our Lady's Hospital in Crumlin, where he met with a plastic surgeon yesterday."

Fabulous people working here and a fabulous service provided for all sick children.
It pains me when i hear that our lady's hospital for sick children has to fund raise to keep providing this much treasured service.Its nothing short of a damm shame that our own state cant fully fund this oft taken for granted place.

Rant over.[/Quote]
No the state has better things to spend money on like the 800 million African dictator slush fund.

Hippies! · 03-11-2012 04:12PM

Sappa wrote: »

He must have been targeted because he was black,this is shameful stuff

I assumed since he was trick or treating that he may have been wearing a mask and costume.

tallaghtmick · 03-11-2012 04:13PM

Hippies! wrote: »

I assumed since he was trick or treating that he may have been wearing a mask and costume.

He was prob dressed as a white guy and the group that targeted him are self hating fookers oh the humanity:rolleyes:

IceFjoem · 03-11-2012 05:56PM

tallaghtmick wrote: »

He was prob dressed as a white guy and the group that targeted him are self hating fookers oh the humanity:rolleyes:

Not funny.

03-11-2012 06:14PM

Poor lad. We had a firework thrown into our letter box last Saturday night, pretty stressful!

tallaghtmick · 03-11-2012 06:16PM

IceFjoem wrote: »

Not funny.

Its AH and it was sarcastic please go to the ladies lounge if you dont want to be offended;)

tallaghtmick · 03-11-2012 06:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Poor lad. We had a firework thrown into our letter box last Saturday night, pretty stressful!

Around the corner from me a car exploded on Halloween night after youngfellas put a rocket in the exhaust and set it off.....wonder was that racially motivated....seriously the car was black:eek:

PhlegmyMoses · 03-11-2012 06:20PM

Whilst these kinds of people will generally attack anyone, being in any way different will definitely draw attention in those situations. It may not have been racially motivated but would anyone really be surprised if it was?

charlemont · 03-11-2012 06:29PM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Whilst these kinds of people will generally attack anyone, being in any way different will definitely draw attention in those situations. It may not have been racially motivated but would anyone really be surprised if it was?

That's exactly what I thought, It was probably not planned but the victim's colour may have stood out to the person who done it. More than likely it was done in the spur of the moment without any thinking being involved.

I hope the victim can get his facial injuries sorted out, The bloke who done it will meet the same end that most bullies meet.

Nodin · 03-11-2012 07:53PM

af_thefragile wrote: »

C'mon a kid got violently assaulted by a group of teenagers and all you guys are concerned about is whether the attack was racially motivated or not.

It doesn't matter whether the kid was white or black, what matters is that he is a 12yr old innocent kid who was attacked for no reason and it needs to be made sure that the savage scum who attacked him do not get away with this!

The truth is always important.

MagicSean · 03-11-2012 08:49PM

Nodin wrote: »

The truth is always important.

In this case how does it matter? Both a black and white child were attacked. If the white kid was injured would his injuries be any less because of his colour? Would the crime be any less abhorent?

caste_in_exile · 03-11-2012 09:06PM

charlemont wrote: »

That's exactly what I thought, It was probably not planned but the victim's colour may have stood out to the person who done it. More than likely it was done in the spur of the moment without any thinking being involved.

I hope the victim can get his facial injuries sorted out, The bloke who done it will meet the same end that most bullies meet.

just like a banger would have stood out amongst scangers, there's less individuality and diversity culturally in Ireland now than there is even ethnically and children are gonna want to be the odd one out even less

It may well have bn racially motivated in this 'innocent' sense I know I caught my 11yo nephew on his phone planning knocking on some "paki"s house with his lil bash street gang and I was verbally dressing him down over it only for my stepfather intervene with the physicality suggesting I was bullying him, I ended up with a barring order for domestic violence ironically but all likelyhoods must be considered.

green123 · 03-11-2012 09:33PM

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

Who gives a flying fuck it was racial or not. People in here are so quick to jump on shit like that and prove someone else wrong.

This poor kid has been left with permanent markings on his face from knackers. Unreal that people try and take something else from the story.

Wish the kid a speedy recovery and that he's not left in too bad condition.

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

... and boards.ie has sunk to a new low. making jokes and trying to turn it into a debate about racism.

A 12 year old got disfigured by a bunch of scumbags. But hey, who cares about that right?

af_thefragile wrote: »

C'mon a kid got violently assaulted by a group of teenagers and all you guys are concerned about is whether the attack was racially motivated or not.

It doesn't matter whether the kid was white or black, what matters is that he is a 12yr old innocent kid who was attacked for no reason and it needs to be made sure that the savage scum who attacked him do not get away with this!

you people and all the people who thanked your posts are missing the point.

the person who started this thread tried to make it out to be a racial attack to suit their agenda.

some other people have rightly pointed out that there is no evidence that this was a racial attack.

GoldenLight · 03-11-2012 09:36PM

I really feel for the little guy, and wish him a speedy recovery, it must have being and still is so scary for him, no one his age should have to deal with that, (let kids be kids, allow them to play and learn I also hope that they are protected by parents from themselves and others)

I hope those gob****es throwing the firework are held accountable for what they have done. If I was a parent and living in Tallaght, I would be looking for who threw this banger and was endangering my childs live. And I would be having a very small chat with them. If the parents in Tallaght are anything like the parents I know, this has already happened.

On a side note

When I was younger, I had fire works thrown at me, in much the same way as others posters have described, the same happened to my friends, do you reckon it was because I looked India, or was called "Paccie" and "Darky" that they the gob****es through the fireworks or were trying to make an example of me. In fairness I think the gits where so scared of the firework in their hand, they throw it in whatever direction they were told to. (I'm not belittling what they did, it is horrific, but I really can't see how it racist) I believe this racist card is being played too much to over simplify things. I grew up in an area of South County Dublin that suburbs a mile apart would kick the living bejayus out of each other, it was kids proving how hard they were, scared of not being excepted.

Again though each and everyone of the people involved in throwing this Banger (adults 17 year olds), need to be held accountable, in what ever way their community decides for them.

Nodin · 03-11-2012 11:09PM

MagicSean wrote: »

In this case how does it matter? Both a black and white child were attacked. If the white kid was injured would his injuries be any less because of his colour? Would the crime be any less abhorent?

If somebody was motivated in a certain way, then thats the way they were motivated. It does indeed matter. Personally, I'm not even convinced there was a 3rd party involved at this stage, however if there was, its important to find out what went on and why.

Az0th · 03-11-2012 11:15PM

On the other hand I noticed this

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/medical-student-severely-injured-as-sheep-costume-goes-up-in-flames-3280400.html

caste_in_exile · 03-11-2012 11:26PM

On the other hand kids muck around; don't they.. things often end in tears. Particularly where there are fireworks involved did they treat him as a friend otherwise? I'll never know.

billybudd · 03-11-2012 11:37PM

hope this doesnt impact on the rest of his life and plastic surgery can rectify what those absolute scum bags did, parents are at fault with these walking despots and they should be prosecuted under a new law i would pass and that is the youarea****ingparenttoachildunder18nowandyouareresponsibleforthatchildandifthatchildattacksabotherpersonyouarebothfacingseriouschargesandfinesandcompensation act2012.

Shameful attack on 12 yr old on Halloween in Dublin

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