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Still Waters No Longer Running, Derp.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    MrPudding wrote: »
    Galvasean wrote: »
    Accuse liberals of skewing debate.

    Delete comments that disagree with you.

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    MrP

    To be fair, I don't think he moderates the comments.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    society really needs to get over this belief that life has to be fair. sure, the father is entitled to an opinion, but since he's not carrying the ****ing thing, the ultimate decision is not his.

    Classy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    JohnWaters.jpg

    Now I know why his output has been lacklustre of late. JW is preparing himself for his motivational tour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Cork, you say? >_>


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Admisssion is free. Maybe there will even be free biscuits.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    recedite wrote: »
    Admisssion is free. Maybe there will even be free biscuits.

    holy non-materialistic biscuits?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    fitz0 wrote: »
    Now I know why his output has been lacklustre of late.
    That has to be the understatement of 2012.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    Only caught the radio headlines but does anyone have the skinny on Waters connection to the case against the State accusing the Referendum Commission of using subliminal messages in their tv/internet content?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Only caught the radio headlines but does anyone have the skinny on Waters connection to the case against the State accusing the Referendum Commission of using subliminal messages in their tv/internet content?
    In an affidavit journalist and commentator John Waters, who is opposed to the amendment because he believes it will subvert the architecture of family rights, said that the Government's website and booklet endorses a yes vote without offering a hint that there maybe weighty or contrary arguments to the amendment.
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/high-court-challenge-to-childrens-referendum-3278460.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Only caught the radio headlines but does anyone have the skinny on Waters connection to the case against the State accusing the Referendum Commission of using subliminal messages in their tv/internet content?

    And I thought he was paranoid already...:rolleyes:


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    [...] Waters connection to the case against the State accusing the Referendum Commission of using subliminal messages in their tv/internet content?
    Friday Prayers With John Waters should be fun this week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Nodin wrote: »
    Mr McCrystal an engineer of Kilbarrack Road, Dublin, claims the State is in breach of the 1995 Supreme Court judgment in the McKenna case to the effect that referenda should be explained to the public in an impartial manner.
    While he has no objection to the State arguing for a Yes vote, it could only do so by means not involving expenditure of public money, he said.
    Maybe this guy thinks the State should spend its own money on a Yes campaign? :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    This tool is on TV3 now debating the children's referendum.

    In fact there was another tool on Newstalk this morning arguing against the referendum, and what were they using as their reference? Only Alive! :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    High Court President Mr Justice Nicholas Kearns this morning rejected an action brought by Mark McCrystal of Kilbarrack Road in Dublin.
    Mr McCrystal had claimed the Government's information campaign was designed, intended and likely to promote a particular outcome in the referendum on 10 November.
    He brought a High Court action against the Minister for Children and Youth Affairs, the Government and the Attorney General, claiming that over €1.1m of public money was being used to encourage a Yes vote in the referendum.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1101/court-decision-due-on-referendum-information-case.html

    Thats their christmas cider money down the tubes. They can go to the Supreme court now, if they feel like it.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,224 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    often, cases like this are awarded costs if they are considered to be in the public interest. they're probably hoping for such a determination.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    often, cases like this are awarded costs if they are considered to be in the public interest. they're probably hoping for such a determination.

    Actively praying, no doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭fisgon


    Just heard Mr Waters on RTE radio fulminating against the Children´s Ref. If I had any doubt about which way I was voting, he's cleared it up for me anyway.

    His main point was that there is a concerted attempt to undermine "the family". This is straight out of the rhetoric of American conservative Christians, claim that anything you don't like - gheys, contraception, evolution - is attacking "the family". Waters stated that the State wanted to undermine the family as it was a competing institution to the State, that it competed with it for people's loyalty. He also hinted at some other forces that were complicit in this ideological attack on "the family". I can only assume that he meant us "Liberals" and atheists.

    To me, he came off as deluded, paranoid, rambling and incoherent. But then I was not well disposed to him before I listened. The bit about "the family" always annoys me, the implication from Waters, and those American Evangelists, is that either liberals don't have families, or else they hate them. There is also the suggestion that the family is a place where nothing bad happens, or if it does, where it can be solved easily. The family is the solution to every social ill. The typical argument from someone imprisoned by dogmatic religious worshipping of the institution of the Family.

    I wish someone would, just once, call Waters on his nonsense, and state baldly and clearly that he is paranoid and deluded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    fisgon wrote: »
    Just heard Mr Waters on RTE radio fulminating against the Children´s Ref. If I had any doubt about which way I was voting, he's cleared it up for me anyway.

    His main point was that there is a concerted attempt to undermine "the family". This is straight out of the rhetoric of American conservative Christians, claim that anything you don't like - gheys, contraception, evolution - is attacking "the family". Waters stated that the State wanted to undermine the family as it was a competing institution to the State, that it competed with it for people's loyalty. He also hinted at some other forces that were complicit in this ideological attack on "the family". I can only assume that he meant us "Liberals" and atheists.

    To me, he came off as deluded, paranoid, rambling and incoherent. But then I was not well disposed to him before I listened. The bit about "the family" always annoys me, the implication from Waters, and those American Evangelists, is that either liberals don't have families, or else they hate them. There is also the suggestion that the family is a place where nothing bad happens, or if it does, where it can be solved easily. The family is the solution to every social ill. The typical argument from someone imprisoned by dogmatic religious worshipping of the institution of the Family.

    I wish someone would, just once, call Waters on his nonsense, and state baldly and clearly that he is paranoid and deluded.

    Not trying to tell you what to do or that, but why not spend ten or fifteen minutes tidying up what is not a bad post and sending it into the letters page of one of the newspapers, e.g. Irish Times? Shoud it be published, you'd at least have the satisfaction of Mr Waters spluttering into his cornflakes one morning next week. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Huge contempt for democracy infecting our public culture

    JOHN WATERS

    When I started working for this newspaper, 20-odd years ago, the word “media” was still treated as a plural form, though in common parlance it had transmogrified into a singular.

    If an unlucky journalist employed the singular construction, he or she might receive a telephone call from the chief subeditor, politely drawing attention to the error and offering a short, informal but informative lecture on the declension of Latin derivatives.

    In February 2005, a new edition of the editorial stylebook innocuously announced a change of policy. “Media”, it declared, “is the plural form of medium and refers to press, radio and TV. It takes a singular verb, even though strictly speaking it is a Latin plural, when it is being considered as a single unit (The media has taken a proactive line on the libel issue). But when it refers to a collection of individuals, it takes the plural (The media were seated in one corner of the room).”

    This superficially stylistic shift reflected something deeper. It was, in a sense, a catching-up on something that was by then obvious: that there existed a single entity called “the media” offering a more or less unified, non-pluralist voice on most issues of public importance, and creating a harmonious, concerted soundtrack directed at shifting public opinion towards particular inclinations.

    Thus, many media organisations had ceased to serve – as previously – the aim of disseminating information and enabling discussion, and had become agents of a process of social reconstruction by some hazy but knowable ideological programme.

    In his latest book, Third Stroke Did It (Publibook 2012) Desmond Fennell writes about the promotion in modern societies of “soft totalitarianism” by what he calls “the Correctorate”, an unelected, shifting group of ideologically motivated commentators that drives the public agenda in the guise of commenting upon it.

    He writes: “The teachers of the post-western, liberal rules of correct behaviour, thought and language came to function, tacitly, as a sort of secular state church or informal, doctrinally paramount ‘Party’. Henceforth, regardless of which political party was in government, this collective would retain the pre-eminent teaching status.”

    This syndrome abandoned all pretences during the recent referendum, when “the media” as a unified mass faithfully followed the Government’s line in pushing the proposed amendment as representing an unexceptionable and unambiguous benefit for children and society.

    This referendum was distinguished in particular by the manner in which the very statement of the exercise became a form of advocacy, the amendment’s content being semantically all but inextricable from the grip of its description. This enabled both political establishment and media to imply that any contrary voice was ipso facto anti-children.

    Although things improved somewhat as polling approached, the tone of the media coverage in the early stages of the campaign implied that this was something to which only lunatics and extremists could object.

    This was conveyed by means of tendentious headlines, leading questions, smirks and sneers – all accompanying a total avoidance of critical examination of the amendment wording.

    The referendum result tells us that approximately two in five voters feel utterly unrepresented in the public conversation, because our singular media seems intent upon promoting the reconstruction of society over and above any democratic responsivity or responsibility.

    It is especially remarkable, in view of the constant threat of extinction hanging over conventional media forms, that media organisations appear intent upon pursuing ideological objectives at the expense of their own survival. Upwards of half-a-million people would be available to, for example, buy newspapers – if they could find a newspaper prepared to give their values and outlooks a fair shake.

    Yet, no newspaper or broadcasting station appears to be interested in pursuing this segment of the population other than for the purposes of re-educating it.

    The abdication of media duty occurs in a troubling symbiosis with the almost total abnegation of responsibility by our parliamentary Opposition.

    In the past, opposition parties operated by the principle that it was their duty to oppose the government, to ensure that all legislative questions were adequately interrogated before any law was passed. This approach is now defunct.

    Close to half the electorate lacks a voice in either the Dáil or Seanad, where Opposition parties and most Independents routinely adopt the Government line on crucial issues. Like the media, politicians place the process of “correcting” society above democracy or their own survival. If Fianna Fáil could pull in 42 per cent of the popular vote it would hold about 80 Dáil seats instead of 20, and yet it ploughs the same furrow as Fine Gael, Labour and the rest.

    Unsurprisingly, politicians and media actors have been working overtime since the referendum to explain away the No vote as relating to, variously, household charge refusnikism or even (according to one ludicrous extrapolation from a single spoiled vote in Cavan) support for the incarcerated Seán Quinn.

    Sorry comrades, but no. This vote is no more the expression of some vague disgruntlement, vexatiousness or conservatism than it is indicative of a widespread desire to grind children into the dust.

    It is directed at the establishment, which now includes our singular media, indicating an awakening to the extraordinary contempt for democracy that now infects Irish public culture.


    John must have filed his copy before the other events of this week or is preparing something REALLY special for next week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Sierra 117


    I hear that next week, every sentence will have six words too many rather than his standard five words too many.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    I think he is desperately unhappy in life.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    I would be as well, if I wrote as badly as that.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,583 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    lazygal wrote: »
    John must have filed his copy before the other events of this week or is preparing something REALLY special for next week.
    Thank Odin for small blessings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    robindch wrote: »
    I would be as well, if I wrote as badly as that.

    Chicken and egg.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    lazygal wrote: »
    John must have filed his copy before the other events of this week or is preparing something REALLY special for next week.

    I'd almost think he's wary of touching it. Perhaps he's realised that he's better off just staying quiet on it since anti-choice views are rather inappropriate and quite indefensible in this situation.

    A rare show of sense by JW? We can only hope so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭pauldla


    fitz0 wrote: »
    I'd almost think he's wary of touching it. Perhaps he's realised that he's better off just staying quiet on it since anti-choice views are rather inappropriate and quite indefensible in this situation.

    A rare show of sense by JW? We can only hope so.

    I'm the opposite. I hope he comes out guns blazing, shows himself to be the complete cnut that he is, and then he falls into a vat of boiling sh!te on the way home before being struck by a meteorite full of anus-invading flesh-eating spaceworms. May he forever fail to check for TP before defecating, the windbag.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,583 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I'd say he's only livid he couldn't get something done in time. Next week this will have calmed somewhat, and his diatribe won't get half the coverage it would have today.

    I'm holding onto this theory like a believer holds onto a comfortable belief. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fitz0 wrote: »
    I'd almost think he's wary of touching it. Perhaps he's realised that he's better off just staying quiet on it since anti-choice views are rather inappropriate and quite indefensible in this situation.

    A rare show of sense by JW? We can only hope so.

    Or his editors.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    The editor would probably welcome an article from that lunatic Waters so that they can point to it when they get criticised for their pro-abortion agenda! They published a couple of very critical letters.

    I'd say he just didn't get a chance to write about it/the other one was already accepted. He's probably fuming!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Sierra 117 wrote: »
    I hear that next week, every sentence will have six words too many rather than his standard five words too many.

    I'd say he was awesome in school. "Write a 2,000 word essay on what you did on your summer holidays", ordered the teacher.
    Of course, as anyone with a modicum of forsight could have already told you, the little aspiring writer come journalist that was John Waters had already, and with a degree of relative ease which borderlined on nonchalance, accumulated almost as many words merely describing, with an intricate detail not usually associated with children of his particular age bracket, the brushing of his own pearly white and calcium rich dentition which he had only recentky recieved a professional and cost effective whitening from the local and well respected orthodontic surgeon whom John's litany of interesting and opinionated neighbours referred to, both casually and in the strictest of business sense, as the best darn tootin' dentist the quaint little town of Hobbiten had seen this side of the much overbloated, but great fun nonetheless twentieth anniversary of the Proclamation of Emancipation, which the tearaway Waters had duly and respectfully attended several long and happy years ago.


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