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Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    That really the best you can do :p
    The CL anthem is only played during the group stage matches.
    Honest question - do you believe Charles Green will still be at Rangers when its next played at Ibrox at a Rangers game?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Peppa Pig wrote: »
    The CL anthem is only played during the group stage matches.
    Honest question - do you believe Charles Green will still be at Rangers when its next played at Ibrox at a Rangers game?

    Don't see why not


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Any word on the Big Tax Case and when it might be out? I know there's rumours that Rangers have already been notified but is there any truth about this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Any word on the Big Tax Case and when it might be out? I know there's rumours that Rangers have already been notified but is there any truth about this?
    No one knows Bobby


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Graham Spiers in the Herald :D
    My heart sank as I watched last week’s Channel Four News item about critics of Rangers FC coming in for threats or menacing intimidation from either fans or rogue elements with links to the Ibrox club.

    I’ve been there, had the treatment, received such threats myself. It was all highly familiar, even if I've never written publicly about it until now.

    One of Channel 4’s interviewees was Gary Allan, the Scottish QC, who said that, after his involvement with an SFA panel which punished Rangers for bringing the game into disrepute, Strathclyde Police had summoned him to an urgent meeting due to threats being made against him.


    Allan spoke of the subsequent threats to himself and his family. It was obvious he regretted ever getting embroiled with Rangers in the first place.

    My own story of covering Rangers – and being critical of certain aspects of the club – has incurred similar menace. It all started around 10 years ago when, as chief sports writer on The Herald, I began focusing on the bigoted singing issue over which the club was then wearyingly engaged with its supporters.

    After a number of pieces highlighting this blight upon Rangers, the threatening letters, the phone calls and the internet poison on Rangers fans’ sites all began to build in momentum against me.

    Round about 2005, my then editor at The Herald phoned me and said: “How do you feel about this? We have a concern about it at the paper. We think we should speak to the police about your security.”

    I was pretty nonplussed to hear this, not least because, in truth, I had never been that bothered by it. “I don’t think we need to go that far,” I told my editor. “I really don’t think it’s that bad, is it?” In the end, we agreed to let it lie in terms of police involvement.

    Yet the threats towards me grew. It seemed to me they came from a kind of rogue, angry underclass which appeared to have attached itself to the club.

    Any sweeping generalisations about Rangers fans, however, were both futile and inaccurate. The fact was, whenever I engaged in pub debate with Rangers fans – which was often - the conversation was normally civil, if combative.

    But then came another incident, when the press bus stopped 200 yards short of the Villarreal stadium on a Champions League night with Rangers in 2006. I got fairly bumped around and was spat at as we made our way through the Rangers throngs to the arena.

    That was the night when the Villarreal team bus got pelted and suffered a smashed window, and just months before Uefa censured Rangers for bigoted chanting. On the latter, a few Rangers fans on the fervid message-boards blamed me for somehow “shopping” the club to Uefa via my critical editorials on the subject.

    Fast forward to 2011, by which time we’d had the disturbances in Manchester involving Rangers fans, and their offensive singing at the 2011 League Cup final, both of which caused the club further headaches.

    Again, I’d written critically on these topics, which only kept the poison flowing in my direction.

    Then, on the morning of April 21 last year, colleagues began texting me about a fresh alarm. The Daily Record had published a picture of me with an accompanying story, claiming I was one of a number of people being targeted by cranks, because of my criticisms of Rangers.

    That particular day I had other family concerns on my mind, and I more or less ignored the Record story. But the next day I received a phone call.

    “Graham, this is Detective Chief Superintendent [xxxxxxx] from the counter-terrorism unit at Strathclyde Police…”

    I was incredulous. “You’re kidding me, right?” I said. “You are kidding me on, surely?”

    “No, I’m not,” he said. “And we think we need to come and see you at home pretty soon.”

    I duly spent two hours listening to police security specialists explaining to me that they had information about threats being made against me, and that these threats were linked to my writing and broadcasting about Rangers.

    And so it has gone on, the threat of intimidation rising and falling in line with my writing about this football club.

    The context, I believe, is this. Rangers FC have had supporter issues to deal with over the years. Many of these issues have seen great improvement in fans' behaviour.

    But among the Rangers hard core there is resentment. Their faux Protestant culture around Rangers is something many Ibrox fans want to bin but the “traditionalists” want to preserve.

    It often seems to me that a modern, liberal Scotland has abandoned this section of the Rangers support; left them behind, and even actually mocked them for their out-dated beliefs.

    Whatever the context, in my own experience, Channel 4 got it right. You sometimes mix with Rangers at your peril.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    The conspiracy theorists will still say that its still a witchhunt by Thomson and the problem was exaggerated by C4, etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    You mean like 8 journalists from Thomson's list of 32 who were supposedly threatened, and who have come out saying he's full of **** ?
    For example Paul Hughes of the Sun (Guess where his club allegiances lie :D ) denies ever being threatened, despite what Thomson said.

    Not only that, but when Ronnie MacKay also denied being threatened (again, Thomson claimed otherwise ?) he was accused of 'being part of the problem' by Matt McGlone.

    Spiers is just another useful idiot, trying desperately to crank up his decreasing reader figures by jumping on the Thomson bandwagon.

    But of course the usual suspects here will lap up his every word :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    So I take it the journalists who have already come out claiming Thomson's crap was untrue are lying ?

    Spiers has previous for posting lies, this won't be any different.

    I dont have much time for Spiers and his ramblings but I find it very amusing that you claim that he 'has previous for posting lies, this won't be any different.' given your track record of airbrushing things!

    Has any of those journalists the ones that have been threatened by Rangers fans? Could you link us to those journalist's articles where they have slated Thomson. Are these people going to be anymore credible than Spiers?

    Which part of Spiers article could he be possibly lying about? The threats, the talk with police, the wrecking of buses in Villarreal, the wrecking of Manchester, the abuse he gets on social media sites?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Do your sources come from Leggo???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Dempsey wrote: »
    I dont have much time for Spiers and his ramblings but I find it very amusing that you claim that he 'has previous for posting lies, this won't be any different.' given your track record of airbrushing things!

    Has any of those journalists the ones that have been threatened by Rangers fans? Could you link us to those journalist's articles where they have slated Thomson. Are these people going to be anymore credible than Spiers?

    Which part of Spiers article could he be possibly lying about? The threats, the talk with police, the wrecking of buses in Villarreal, the wrecking of Manchester, the abuse he gets on social media sites?

    Probably those.

    But then again, I'm not surprised you take his side in this, nor the fact you'd rather get personal than look at the facts.

    As for journalists who are discrediting Thomson's claims ?

    Ronnie MacKay:

    Ronnie MacKay ‏@RonnieMacKay
    @MattMcGlone9 do you have a problem with me saying I've never been threatened by Rangers fans? As you seem disappointed! Surely that's good?

    Rangers Supporters ‏@rangersfctrust
    Journalist denies threats and celtic fanzine writer accuses him of being part of the problem. Someone explain the logic - stumped!
    Retweeted by Ronnie MacKay

    Paul Hughes:

    @BhoyEddie I'm saying I have never heard of 32 guys who have been threatened for reporting on Rangers. Why is that hard to accept?

    Tom English:

    @calum2k I would admit it, absolutely. But I've never been threatened and nobody from the NUJ has ever asked me if I've ever been threatened

    Tom English ‏@TomEnglishSport
    People emailing me asking me if I'm one of the 32 journalists supposedly seriously threatened by Rangers fans. I'm not.

    If Graham Spiers is your 'proof' then you can rest assured that Thomson is full of ****.

    Again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Probably those.

    But then again, I'm not surprised you take his side in this, nor the fact you'd rather get personal than look at the facts.

    As for journalists who are discrediting Thomson's claims ?

    Ronnie MacKay:

    Ronnie MacKay ‏@RonnieMacKay
    @MattMcGlone9 do you have a problem with me saying I've never been threatened by Rangers fans? As you seem disappointed! Surely that's good?

    Rangers Supporters ‏@rangersfctrust
    Journalist denies threats and celtic fanzine writer accuses him of being part of the problem. Someone explain the logic - stumped!
    Retweeted by Ronnie MacKay

    Paul Hughes:

    @BhoyEddie I'm saying I have never heard of 32 guys who have been threatened for reporting on Rangers. Why is that hard to accept?

    Tom English:

    @calum2k I would admit it, absolutely. But I've never been threatened and nobody from the NUJ has ever asked me if I've ever been threatened

    Tom English ‏@TomEnglishSport
    People emailing me asking me if I'm one of the 32 journalists supposedly seriously threatened by Rangers fans. I'm not.

    If Graham Spiers is your 'proof' then you can rest assured that Thomson is full of ****.

    Again.

    Wasnt so long ago that you were saying that Charles Green received no death threats, despite most of the media quoting him in articles. I've lost track of the amount of times you try this tactic and often look ridiculous doing so.

    You have quotes from 3 people saying that they arent one of the 32 that Thomson is talking about and you feel some sort of vindication in the tripe you are posting? How many journalists are there in the UK?

    I'm not taking his side, I'm criticising the rubbish you continually trot out to discredit people that you dont agree with. You've nothing to discredit Spiers story with and this sort of response shows that. If we are to discredit Spiers based on 'previous', what does that mean for listening to anything you have to say?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Same old Dempsey.

    So you have about 8 journalists who have openly come out and ridiculed Thomson's claims, and the only who seems to side with him is a man with a proven track record of lies.

    Wouldn't surprise me if McNally and Philly Bhoy would come out and be the next 2 to 'have been threatened'.

    Why doesn't Thomson come out and name them ?
    Right, because he can't.

    As for Green's supposed death threats, learn to read.
    I only said that it wasn't Green who mentioned them, but the police who informed him of the chance of threats.

    Green said he received abuse (which he did), that's not the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    ESPN article
    "I got death threats. There were lots of threats," he said in the original interview.

    Add ESPN to the list of liars


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Same old Dempsey.

    So you have about 8 journalists who have openly come out and ridiculed Thomson's claims, and the only who seems to side with him is a man with a proven track record of lies.

    Wouldn't surprise me if McNally and Philly Bhoy would come out and be the next 2 to 'have been threatened'.

    Why doesn't Thomson come out and name them ?
    Right, because he can't.

    As for Green's supposed death threats, learn to read.
    I only said that it wasn't Green who mentioned them, but the police who informed him of the chance of threats.

    Green said he received abuse (which he did), that's not the same.

    Same old Dempsey tired of you clutching at straws.

    So you expect a journalist to name all the journalists who were victims to death threats by Rangers fans? Do you really think he's in a position to do that??

    As for Green,

    I can read and actually I can quote you on what you said. Lets see what you were saying
    Green never said he received death threats, that was the police.
    So they thought he may receive death threats, there is nothing to suggest he actually did receive them.
    he was informed of the chance there may be death threats.

    Several posts adamant that Green didnt get threats

    I posted an article with the following quote (as did someone else) and it clarified exactly what happened as Green stated and you conveniently ignore it.
    "I got death threats. There were lots of threats


    As for Spiers, when you actually have evidence that he's lying please tell us all about it but until you have something more than your own paranoia getting the better of you please keep it to yourself and save us all from wading through your bull.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    I didn't see that link you posted, my bad.

    As for Spiers, he's been caught red handed on several occasions lying about things.
    Claiming Celtic perfectly observed a minute silence at Falkirk, the lie about Rangers fans singing 'Klinsmann's a Klansman', claiming Rangers fans sang songs about Tommy Coyne's wife, accusing Jock Wallace of bringing bigotry into football (something which even your own former captain, Andy Lynch, found disgusting to say),...

    Describing Rangers fans after their game with ManU as, and I quote 'A stinking bigoted cesspit of sub-humanity'.
    A game which was described by a ManU fanzine as one of the best atmospheres they played in.

    Talking about games he was supposedly at, when fans and even fellow journalists said he was absent, getting dates and events wrong non stop, claiming to be a Rangers fan but hardly attending any game (not even as a 'journalist'),...

    Needless to say, the man is a complete idiot.

    And if you don't want to read what I have to say the solution is simple.
    But I guess that's too hard for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    ICT tonight, not too confident given the recent performances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    ICT tonight, not too confident given the recent performances.

    Have to approach it in the same manner as the Motherwell game to have any chance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Team for tonight

    RANGERS: Alexander; Hegarty, Perry, Emilson, Wallace; Black, Hutton, Macleod; Little, McCulloch, Shiels.
    SUBS: Gallacher, Kyle, McKay, Aird, Argyriou.

    Same line up as Sunday

    ICT line up

    ICT: Reguero, Raven, G Shinnie, Jones, Warren, McKay, Draper, A Shinnie, Meekings, Doran, Roberts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Perry off for the second half, thank **** for that, he's absolutely useless with his long ball crap.

    Slightly the better team, defence is shocking though.
    I think we can still win this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    2-0 now, ICT should have been down to 10 though....very poor call from the ref.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Horrible decision there, kicked him right off the park and not even a yellow.

    Game over though, this team is simply too bad to compete with ICT, and that's the hard truth.

    Guys like Black, Perry,... either need to get their finger out or can **** off to the reserves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Horrible decision there, kicked him right off the park and not even a yellow.

    Game over though, this team is simply too bad to compete with ICT, and that's the hard truth.

    Guys like Black, Perry,... either need to get their finger out or can **** off to the reserves.

    I will agree about Perry but Black has had more good games than bad whereas Perry is just garbage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    I disagree, Black has been useless for the majority of the season.

    And McCoist, for ****'s sake!
    We need goals, so why not take a striker off, leave Black on and use a target man when there is no width ?

    Absolutely clueless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    Am only listening on radio but sounds like Caley are ripping yous a new arsehole. Alexander keeping you in it, next goal is crucial


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    They're having a laugh at Caley, they're not even breaking a sweat.

    Penalty lol, nice one.

    Now they can score a few more for all I care, maybe it'll force McCoist or Green to do the right thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Am only listening on radio but sounds like Caley are ripping yous a new arsehole. Alexander keeping you in it, next goal is crucial

    Remember we are a div 3 side or is that only when it suits you.

    I also believe its time for Ally to go. Not because of tonight it has been obvious for a while he can't motivate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    They're having a laugh at Caley, they're not even breaking a sweat.

    Penalty lol, nice one.

    Now they can score a few more for all I care, maybe it'll force McCoist or Green to do the right thing.

    Think Green will have to take it out of Ally's hands to be fair


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    3-0 to ICT, this game going with form so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    Remember we are a div 3 side or is that only when it suits you.

    You are div 3 team but the players are earning SPL money, would the ICT starting 11 be on any more money than this Rangers team? If they are being paid that kind of money they really should be performing better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    You are div 3 team but the players are earning SPL money, would the ICT starting 11 be on any more money than this Rangers team? If they are being paid that kind of money they really should be performing better.

    We also have a handful of youngsters in that squad with very little experience and as I said Ally can't motivate in fact I believe he may be losing the dressing room as some of his team selections are strange

    Oh and money doesn't make you a better player


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